EPTDynamic Unit Movements, Your Thoughts? - Page 16
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Wolf
Korea (South)3290 Posts
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L3gendary
Canada1470 Posts
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
The reason why this is good is that the "dps per attacking square" would not be as high as it is now, thus battles would not end as fast as they do right now. Also high tech units like Colossi would be spread a lot and thus be a lot more vulnerable than they are now. Consequently the macro mechanics which speed up unit production in SC2 could be nerfed by a lot since you wont need to produce as many units anymore. MULEs might be ok if they produced less money, larva inject could be ok with just 2 extra larvae and chronoboost could produce only 25% speed boost. All of these are thing which got complained about a lot in the past. On May 18 2011 02:08 Legless wrote: You could cut up pieces of shit to look like broodwar units and all you people would jump on it....on topic, the unit movements and mechanics make for the best most awesome micro battles and army destroying like never before this change would ruin everything just so it looks like broodwar -_- The problem is that the tight and perfect unit control in SC2 makes it necessary that the game is perfectly balanced, which is quite complicated. With a less tight unit movement the "incoming dps" is not as high and thus there is a greater chance to survive by running your units away ... so I dont think the game would be ruined as much as you think. I think all "fans of BW" could tell you that that game had a lot of micro as well. | ||
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
i like it | ||
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tehemperorer
United States2183 Posts
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Prfx
51 Posts
Spread of battlefields not only makes the battles last longer but also makes it overall more interesting to watch and play. | ||
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Xlancer
United States126 Posts
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Xadar
497 Posts
On May 18 2011 02:33 Xlancer wrote: Anyone else find it amusing how half of the responses here are saying, "Yeah, I wish the AI would keep my units more spread out, so that I don't have to micro them to avoid AoE damage." g.g. In bw , units were more spread out and you still had to micro more, so your point is completely wrong. | ||
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CHOdan
United States9 Posts
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Gfire
United States1699 Posts
I think units standing still should group up almost as much as they currently are, but it would be best if they spread more while moving. I think this would make it a thousand times better as a spectator sport, units like Tanks and Colossi, and storms would all do more damage and feel more ultimate, and exciting to watch like in BW, without being OP, and having more micro-intensive, or at least more variable and thus more exciting battles. Colossi probably still wouldn't live up to Reavers, but they would be better. | ||
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
On May 18 2011 02:38 CHOdan wrote: this would only work if they completely changed up the balance of the game because certain units would be very bad and certain units would be very good... which is the only reason i dont like it... it would take way too long to implement all these changes Well there are two expansions to come and those are certainly going to change the balance of power with new units ... so rebalancing the game is inevitable. | ||
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BanelingXD
130 Posts
Q: How do you know SC2 is for fags? A: The balls are always touching. | ||
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Deckkie
Netherlands1595 Posts
On May 18 2011 02:31 tehemperorer wrote: Sorry but it would be extremely disadvantageous for Protoss since they can only combat high supply armies with either HT or Colossi. Reducing the clumping reduces the effectiveness of aoe units, and increases the effectiveness of armies that do well in small sizes across a choke. The game would quickly fall out of balance. At the same time it would make it much harder to kite the entire amry against zealots, making something more than meat shields. It would be obvious that balance will change, but it is just not viable to talk about it without experience. Just like nobody but pro's should go into the deep conversations about balance, here its even more true. | ||
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Xlancer
United States126 Posts
On May 18 2011 02:37 Xadar wrote: In bw , units were more spread out and you still had to micro more, so your point is completely wrong. By more micro do you mean baby sitting all of your units because they often don't move where you tell them to move? In SC2 units move with so much efficiency that players are now realizing that they can no longer rely on bad AI to keep their units spread out, they actually have to do it themselves. | ||
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Popss
Sweden176 Posts
On May 18 2011 02:37 Xadar wrote: In bw , units were more spread out and you still had to micro more, so your point is completely wrong. I'm not sure but he could be ironic. But yeah the sentiment that micro would somehow be easier if they made a change like this is plain wrong. "Hey if it's trickier for me to consolidate my army in battle then AoE abilities will be easier to dodge!". By this logic leaving half your army in your base against any form of AoE ability is a viable strategy. | ||
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Amanebak
Czech Republic528 Posts
On May 18 2011 02:37 Xadar wrote: In bw , units were more spread out and you still had to micro more, so your point is completely wrong. I believe you missed his point. Imo he pointed the attitude of those people. | ||
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GrandCrusader
New Zealand47 Posts
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
On May 18 2011 02:47 Deckkie wrote: At the same time it would make it much harder to kite the entire amry against zealots, making something more than meat shields. It would be obvious that balance will change, but it is just not viable to talk about it without experience. Just like nobody but pro's should go into the deep conversations about balance, here its even more true. I seriously dislike the attitude that only progamers can tell if something is fair / balanced. The examples of IdrA / Artosis or Tyler / iNcontrol whining about things in a spectacular one-sided way kinda proves that your average progamer can be as biased as JoeAverage. You dont need to be master league to recognize problems; I noticed this exact problem of tight unit concentrations months ago and I am copper league ... It just takes an active brain which is capable to look at things objectively and NOT being involved in laddering or competitions is a great start NOT to be biased in one way or the other. | ||
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tehemperorer
United States2183 Posts
On May 18 2011 02:44 BanelingXD wrote: Been saying this since Beta. Ball on Ball is boring. Best thing they could do is bring back the formation march hotkey from WC3. (That or take the Korean's advice and fix the unit movement mechanics) Q: How do you know SC2 is for fags? A: The balls are always touching. That has less to do with the way the game is designed than with how players tend to use their units. | ||
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JiYan
United States3668 Posts
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