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On May 08 2011 23:54 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 17:12 Dakkas wrote:On May 08 2011 14:27 ampson wrote:
Wow, Inca is being a boss with this interview. Of course they were all-ins, and they were the right decisions to make. He said that he only practiced macro against nada, so he all-ins, nada cuts corners, he wins. I can't believe all the hate that he is getting for playing to win the game. If I had a chance to get to the GSL finals and a cannon rush will get me there, I'm gonna do a damn cannon rush! Anyway, I'd bet a lot of the hate is coming from zerg players and nada fans, which while understandable that they are disappointed, does not warrant them calling him a "hack" or "dirty." Anyway, these people play to win the game, not to let your favorite player advance or for you to be entertained. He cheesed against Sangho and with his play against Rain, do you honestly think he deserves to be in the finals? It's similar to GSL3 where Rain was in the finals There's no such thing as "deserving" to be in a place. In football (soccer) this happens all the time. One team attacks the whole game but can't find a breach in defense, fast forward to minute 90, defending team goes for a counter and scores. One commentator will go like "aww this is so bad, they didn't deserve to win" then the other one (correct one) goes "in football there's no such thing as deserving goals, there's only scored goals" There's no such thing as "deserving to win", only a real win counts.
Thank you.
I was sad to see Nada lose, but I actually liked Inca's answers in the interview. If you all-in because it's all you know how to do, then yeah, you're a very limited player and will only have success until people figure out how to stop your all-ins. If you choose to all-in because you know that your opponent isn't expecting it, isn't familiar with it, and you feel it's the best strategy, then that's more respectable imo.
If you think that all-ins don't have a place in SC2 or are too powerful, then that's a question of game design and balance. It isn't something you can blame the players for, because it's part of how the game works.
Hoping to see Inca play well in the finals -- I wasn't paying much attention to him up til now, so I haven't seen if he's really playing that well, and I'd like him to show how good he actually is. Definitely cheering for Nestea, but hopefully it will at least be an entertaining series.
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The thing about all in is that is particularly easy to accomplish so thats why SC2 design encourages people to all in, and its even easier and rewarding to all in as protoss.
I'm sad to see Nada go because of all ins... Nestea vs Nada would have such a HUGE crowd 
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Isn't cheese only an excuse for people who can't play mid to late game? Is IncA that afraid of macro and economy management that he would proceed to all-in until he gets a huge lead? He seems confident in his unit control. NesTea needs to show superior build orders and techniques in order to defend in early game.
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Inca is gonna win this GSL, which is fucking hilarious. :D INCA HWAITING!
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I am rooting for Inca to beat NesTea due to the patch.
Race are so much more balance already, less QQ in it but truely support someone
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Thx for the translation. Very much appreciated.
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On May 12 2011 01:29 BoxersGosuGarden wrote:
Isn't cheese only an excuse for people who can't play mid to late game? Is IncA that afraid of macro and economy management that he would proceed to all-in until he gets a huge lead? He seems confident in his unit control. NesTea needs to show superior build orders and techniques in order to defend in early game.
Common misconception... No, cheese isn't for players who can't play in the mid and late game.
If you know your opponent is weak to unorthodox plays or all-ins, you take advantage of that, there's really nothing in the game that can't be stopped with the right mix of micro, strategy and scouting.
If you can beat you're confident you can beat your opponent in 8 minutes, why take 20 and risk making a mistake somewhere in that time.
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On May 12 2011 01:29 BoxersGosuGarden wrote:
Isn't cheese only an excuse for people who can't play mid to late game? Is IncA that afraid of macro and economy management that he would proceed to all-in until he gets a huge lead? He seems confident in his unit control. NesTea needs to show superior build orders and techniques in order to defend in early game.
One thing that people are forgetting is that he didn't just go for cheese because he thought he would insta-lose in a macro game; remember that Ro4 was functionally an in-house game: InCa plays against Nada all the time and never uses all-ins; he was playing mindgames in the Ro4 to get an edge.
If you saw the games, Tastosis was shocked that InCa kept doing all-ins, because you normally sprinkle in one or two, but InCa was just relentless.
InCa has won plenty of macro games, including against MKP in the Up-and-Downs two GSLs ago, so don't dismiss him as a cheeser without thinking about the larger context of the games.
...and all that being said, at the end of the day he was 3-0 against Nada.
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"Jealously makes a man bitter, so instead of focusing on his wins, I tried to focus on playing better."
Good man. Let's see if he can take this!
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On May 08 2011 02:18 Phosgene wrote:
- Did you predict that Nada would not be able to block them?
When I practiced with Nada in the past, I focused 100% on macro-oriented play. I thought that he would not know about my usual all-in builds so I tweaked a couple of strategies I used in the past for today’s match.
I almost feel like this needs to be bolded, although I guess it won't change the raging Idra's mindset fans. *sigh*
Thanks for the translations <3 I'd been voting against Inca and still am going to, but the interview made me give him more respect now, and I'm going to pay attention to him more.
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idk why in the first couple of pages people were bashing Inca.
It's like what MC said when he beat White-Ra in game 5 of DH and people were bashing him: He's a PROgamer, he plays to win and he plays to make money. Winning is winning.
Exploiting your opponents weakness is smart.
Doing Macro games 100% of the time in practice with NaDa then doing all-ins in a tournament against him are great mind-games, and successful mind games are smart.
idk why all-ins are shamed upon, it's like what Bruce Lee said, play all styles, learn all styles. then make your own style. and clearly Inca is trying to find his own style as he said in the interview, not just be another clone.
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i <3 Nestea... he is just too cool of a guy not to love him ^^
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Thank you for this translation Phosgene!
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GG Nestea crush the inca rule :D
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Go InCa! All-ins all the way! Love the hate people get when they win by "cheese". Duhh, winning? right?
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Why there were no liquidbets for Ro4 matches?
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What nada was doing was just economic cheese. He cut corners to get ahead in the late game and he paid for it. If he doesn't get rushed he has a huge advantage, so rather than be behind InCa exploited the weakness of the build order. If you can't respect the strategy that InCa used by exploiting his teammate's weakness then you're blinded by some false sense that only long macro games showcase the good players. If you don't want to lose to cheese play safer builds, and if you're really the better player your mechanics will carry you to the victory.
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Inca is obviously the better player if he beat Nada. Go Inca, down with TEA
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inca winning
he's loling @ all you haters while sitting on his cool (at least) 30k usd
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EPT
