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On October 24 2012 10:11 Leth0 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 10:08 ucDarchon wrote:On October 24 2012 10:04 Leth0 wrote:
I think it's sad that destiny was so desperate to get the last word in and take it further by trying to be insulting by, ironically, telling them they may start winning again...... He did that after they told him to go back to LoL, why is it surprising that he would be pissed at that? After repeating himself over and over only get louder , angrier , and more incomprehensible it was about time someone just told him to STFU and go to w/e game he seems to think is the only game that will be around. I'm glad idra said what he did, I'm sure a lot of other people were too.
Ok bro after Wheat and incontrol broke my speakers yelling.
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On October 24 2012 10:09 JPSke wrote:
As a fan of SC2 this show was incredibly depressing.
The fact that you guys are willing to accept Blizzard's bullshit and go so far as to take a dump on people who are tired of this ridiculous lack of responsiveness.....I dunno. You guys are building your careers around this game, a game that could be promoted and much more accessible to more people if only Blizzard would hold up their end of the bargain, and yet you just accept that your complaints accomplish nothing. It seems like you've accepted that what you consider to be the right way to interact with Blizzard in the hopes of making progress isn't going to work, yet you are actively shitting on people who believe its time to take a more proactive approach. And yes, I know, tweeting at Blizzard isn't going to do it. Neither is a big post on Reddit. But if all the big people within the SC2 scene get together and demand change? That might have an impact. But no, you guys are just going to continue on, accept the pitiful support Blizzard is giving this game, and let the game stagnate.
This community is the best competitive community in existence, and the fact that it continues to decline in comparison to others primarily due to those games making advances and focusing on their customers...it's sad. You say the negativity is harmful, but it is more harmful to just accept this. I promise you if all the influential members within the community banded together to get Blizzard to be a little more responsive it would energize everyone, it would be a story, it would grow the community just by pulling it together with a common cause. And yet you guys seem to think any public sort of complaint, which is honestly the only way to apply any sort of pressure whatsoever to Blizzard, is the wrong way to go about doing things. I just don't get it.
I've been here since SC2 launched, and I watch a lot more than I play now. But if the community is just going to accept being second rate it may be time for me to move on. I just don't understand how the people most directly impacted by the situation are willing to take such a laissez faire attitude. In Brood War putting your head down and saying "we'll make it work" was one thing, but E-Sports has arrived, and accepting that SC2 is going to be a minor player going forward in the scene just because Blizzard won't get off their ass and support the game is incomprehensible to me. You can bash Destiny for crying wolf, but at least the guy is willing to state that this is a real problem, one that has a major impact on the viability of SC2 going forward. It's time someone said it, even if he didn't go about doing it the way you would have.
Did you watch the show? They never accepted or defended Blizzard they just said Blizzard isn't going to do shit to fix it so complaining on twitter and sending the community into a state of panic is dumb.
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On October 24 2012 10:13 CajunMan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 10:11 Leth0 wrote:On October 24 2012 10:08 ucDarchon wrote:On October 24 2012 10:04 Leth0 wrote:
I think it's sad that destiny was so desperate to get the last word in and take it further by trying to be insulting by, ironically, telling them they may start winning again...... He did that after they told him to go back to LoL, why is it surprising that he would be pissed at that? After repeating himself over and over only get louder , angrier , and more incomprehensible it was about time someone just told him to STFU and go to w/e game he seems to think is the only game that will be around. I'm glad idra said what he did, I'm sure a lot of other people were too. Ok bro after Wheat and incontrol broke my speakers yelling.
Wheat yells every episode. Is this new to you? Turn your volume down or something, not my responsibility.
/insert passive aggressive bro comment
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I'm still partly wishfully hoping that Blizzard will improve the overall player experience throughout their trilogy, but at same time, there are other things that can sustain the community. Like what iNcontrol said, there are still sponsors and whatnot with the SC2 industry, and it'll keep working.
It is a shame to see you guys (I dont feel like Im a huge part of this community 'cause I came from another one and I dont participate that much) who are super passionate and really structured get stuck with Blizzard (2012). If they added all that good stuff from 1998, everything would be augmented a bunch, I think. Maybe that's what Destiny was getting at? That Blizzard could save the game if they implemented all these things, but he was just outraged that there weren't more voices saying it
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Painuser seemed to be the most reasonable person on the show. I wish they had been able to discuss what he suggested, i.e. things that they as pros or tournament organizers and the community could do to make the game more enjoyable and better without relying on Blizzard.
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All five of them are totally out of touch, not mentioning Warcraft 3 (thus DotA, LoL, DOTA 2) even once.
Personally, I'm not convinced HotS will sell well at all. That may be a good thing, if it jolts Activision Blizzard into taking a different approach to the game and to the genre.
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On October 24 2012 10:13 Hammer442 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 10:09 JPSke wrote:
As a fan of SC2 this show was incredibly depressing.
The fact that you guys are willing to accept Blizzard's bullshit and go so far as to take a dump on people who are tired of this ridiculous lack of responsiveness.....I dunno. You guys are building your careers around this game, a game that could be promoted and much more accessible to more people if only Blizzard would hold up their end of the bargain, and yet you just accept that your complaints accomplish nothing. It seems like you've accepted that what you consider to be the right way to interact with Blizzard in the hopes of making progress isn't going to work, yet you are actively shitting on people who believe its time to take a more proactive approach. And yes, I know, tweeting at Blizzard isn't going to do it. Neither is a big post on Reddit. But if all the big people within the SC2 scene get together and demand change? That might have an impact. But no, you guys are just going to continue on, accept the pitiful support Blizzard is giving this game, and let the game stagnate.
This community is the best competitive community in existence, and the fact that it continues to decline in comparison to others primarily due to those games making advances and focusing on their customers...it's sad. You say the negativity is harmful, but it is more harmful to just accept this. I promise you if all the influential members within the community banded together to get Blizzard to be a little more responsive it would energize everyone, it would be a story, it would grow the community just by pulling it together with a common cause. And yet you guys seem to think any public sort of complaint, which is honestly the only way to apply any sort of pressure whatsoever to Blizzard, is the wrong way to go about doing things. I just don't get it.
I've been here since SC2 launched, and I watch a lot more than I play now. But if the community is just going to accept being second rate it may be time for me to move on. I just don't understand how the people most directly impacted by the situation are willing to take such a laissez faire attitude. In Brood War putting your head down and saying "we'll make it work" was one thing, but E-Sports has arrived, and accepting that SC2 is going to be a minor player going forward in the scene just because Blizzard won't get off their ass and support the game is incomprehensible to me. You can bash Destiny for crying wolf, but at least the guy is willing to state that this is a real problem, one that has a major impact on the viability of SC2 going forward. It's time someone said it, even if he didn't go about doing it the way you would have. Did you watch the show? They never accepted or defended Blizzard they just said Blizzard isn't going to do shit to fix it so complaining on twitter is dumb.
Exactly and that's stupid how else do you plan on getting to blizzard? Do you personally know Dustin Browder? Come on man this is not the first time a facebook or twitter getting blown up has gotten a company to listen ever here of a petition before same concept it is to show people care. If you sit idly by quite nothing will change ever no one will know anything is wrong.
On October 24 2012 10:14 Leth0 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 10:13 CajunMan wrote:On October 24 2012 10:11 Leth0 wrote:On October 24 2012 10:08 ucDarchon wrote:On October 24 2012 10:04 Leth0 wrote:
I think it's sad that destiny was so desperate to get the last word in and take it further by trying to be insulting by, ironically, telling them they may start winning again...... He did that after they told him to go back to LoL, why is it surprising that he would be pissed at that? After repeating himself over and over only get louder , angrier , and more incomprehensible it was about time someone just told him to STFU and go to w/e game he seems to think is the only game that will be around. I'm glad idra said what he did, I'm sure a lot of other people were too. Ok bro after Wheat and incontrol broke my speakers yelling. Wheat yells every episode. Is this new to you? Turn your volume down or something, not my responsibility. /insert passive aggressive bro comment
So destiny gets yelled at and raises his voice back it wrong on him but normally for the other guy kay.
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So Blizzard is doing the WCS and has put in tons of money. The finals are already sold out and have 10,000+ tickets sold.
Do they need to fill out a 100,000 seat stadium?
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On October 24 2012 10:14 Gheed wrote:
Painuser seemed to be the most reasonable person on the show. I wish they had been able to discuss what he suggested, i.e. things that they as pros or tournament organizers and the community could do to make the game more enjoyable and better without relying on Blizzard.
I think Idra mentioned that at the VERYYYYYY beginning before everything went crazy. He mentioned to just support the industry that exists as is right now; I think he meant to say that it's sustainable w/o further interaction by Blizzard.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that's what happened.
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What was the big debate about tonight, I missed it?
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On October 24 2012 10:16 tshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 10:14 Gheed wrote:
Painuser seemed to be the most reasonable person on the show. I wish they had been able to discuss what he suggested, i.e. things that they as pros or tournament organizers and the community could do to make the game more enjoyable and better without relying on Blizzard. I think Idra mentioned that at the VERYYYYYY beginning before everything went crazy. He mentioned to just support the industry that exists as is right now; I think he meant to say that it's sustainable w/o further interaction by Blizzard. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that's what happened.
That's possible, everything kind of turned into a blur of yelling.
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On October 24 2012 10:16 Fionn wrote:
So Blizzard is doing the WCS and has put in tons of money. The finals are already sold out and have 10,000+ tickets sold.
Do they need to fill out a 100,000 seat stadium?
According to Destiny they need to matchfix it so Idra and incontroll can win. :D
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On October 24 2012 10:16 Fionn wrote:
So Blizzard is doing the WCS and has put in tons of money. The finals are already sold out and have 10,000+ tickets sold.
Do they need to fill out a 100,000 seat stadium?
No but what is being said is you can do better with little effort. Why is pushing for the best looked so down upon? 10,000 viewers... that'll do I think we will just stop here yep.
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On October 24 2012 10:16 CajunMan wrote:
So destiny gets yelled at and raises his voice back it wrong on him but normally for the other guy kay.
Destiny was yelling the moment he started talking. He was going off the rails for the full 20 minutes. I'm getting the feeling you didn't even watch the show.
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On October 24 2012 10:19 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 10:16 CajunMan wrote:
So destiny gets yelled at and raises his voice back it wrong on him but normally for the other guy kay. Destiny was yelling the moment he started talking. He was going off the rails for the full 20 minutes. I'm getting the feeling you didn't even watch the show.
You'd be wrong Destiny talked pretty normally if you watch his stream then Incontrol went ape shit then yelling by everyone ensued pretty good description of what happened.
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On October 24 2012 10:19 CajunMan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 10:16 Fionn wrote:
So Blizzard is doing the WCS and has put in tons of money. The finals are already sold out and have 10,000+ tickets sold.
Do they need to fill out a 100,000 seat stadium? No but what is being said is you can do better with little effort. Why is pushing for the best looked so down upon? 10,000 viewers... that'll do I think we will just stop here yep.
What are you trying to argue?
Nobody is saying SC2 shouldn't improve so that whole argument can be laid to rest already, it's getting old listening to the same excuse from that side of the fence.
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On October 24 2012 10:19 CajunMan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 10:16 Fionn wrote:
So Blizzard is doing the WCS and has put in tons of money. The finals are already sold out and have 10,000+ tickets sold.
Do they need to fill out a 100,000 seat stadium? No but what is being said is you can do better with little effort. Why is pushing for the best looked so down upon? 10,000 viewers... that'll do I think we will just stop here yep.
No. What Destiny is saying is that SC2 is dead, the whole scene is doomed, and Blizzard killed it. Unless they make some changes.
What iNcontroL, IdrA and Wheat are saying is that the scene is fine and stable as it is. It can grow, but there is absolutely no doomsday scenario to worry about.
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On October 24 2012 10:13 Hammer442 wrote:
Did you watch the show? They never accepted or defended Blizzard they just said Blizzard isn't going to do shit to fix it so complaining on twitter and sending the community into a state of panic is dumb.
Yes, I watched the show. And yes, I know Blizzard, to this point, has been unresponsive. In fact my post right before that one was one telling people Blizzard probably wasn't going to do anything. But to hear the people who do have influence, who are well known, and who are directly impacted by the way Blizzard is going about their business basically just accept it....I mean come on. For me as a fan to say "Yeah, Blizzard sucks now, shit isn't going to change" is one thing, but for the people who deal with just how shitty Blizzard is every day to accept that it isn't going to change makes things even worse. If the people who could have an impact and actually get Blizzard's attention have given up, then there really isn't much hope for the game going forward.
I do not understand why, if everyone accepts Blizzard isn't holding up their end, no one is happy with the support, and that current communication methods aren't working, there isn't some larger movement within the professional SC2 scene to go about it a different way. Just accepting the status quo is essentially giving up on ever being competitive within E-Sports.
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On October 24 2012 10:20 Leth0 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 10:19 CajunMan wrote:On October 24 2012 10:16 Fionn wrote:
So Blizzard is doing the WCS and has put in tons of money. The finals are already sold out and have 10,000+ tickets sold.
Do they need to fill out a 100,000 seat stadium? No but what is being said is you can do better with little effort. Why is pushing for the best looked so down upon? 10,000 viewers... that'll do I think we will just stop here yep. What are you trying to argue? Nobody is saying SC2 shouldn't improve so that whole argument can be laid to rest already, it's getting old listening to the same excuse from that side of the fence.
So why are you arguing messaging blizzard and suggesting fixes is bad? Please lay this to rest already it's getting old listening to people say they are all for growth but are now getting mad when people message blizzard and tweet at them to fix problems.
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On October 24 2012 10:16 Fionn wrote:
So Blizzard is doing the WCS and has put in tons of money. The finals are already sold out and have 10,000+ tickets sold.
Do they need to fill out a 100,000 seat stadium?
in addition to that, just look how packed november is with tournaments. tells more than a thousand words about the so called "decline"
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