EPTSpore crawler change nerfs DTs slightly
Ghost change makes them easier to produce since they cost less gas, encouraging more EMPs.
Warpgate change is concerning...
Patch 1.3.3 PTR - Page 86
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Massive units are not affected by concussive shells. If you think they are, you are wrong. It's SPORE crawlers that are being changed, not SPINE. Please read carefully. | ||
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Royalal
58 Posts
Spore crawler change nerfs DTs slightly Ghost change makes them easier to produce since they cost less gas, encouraging more EMPs. Warpgate change is concerning... | ||
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theBullFrog
United States515 Posts
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ZergMaestro
United States169 Posts
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Fryght
Netherlands254 Posts
On April 27 2011 01:28 Unwired wrote: These timing windows are closed by the MMM bioball that wreck every single toss out there with just A moving. and btw, i'm a high diamond going into masters, and the most losses i have are vs terran where they just bioball pressure with enough vikings for support. Since HT amulet has been removed i really have no other choice then to go colossi, otherwise i don't have the AOE damage to even tickle the T's bioball. IMHO, if they bring amulet back toss is very well balanced, because then terran actually has to scout instead of just blindly making vikings. After they took out amulet, I feel that terran has the advantage, as their ghosts spawn with EMP ready. EMP spam on a protoss army takes off a lot of shield, which is essentially a lot of RAW damage, as well as draining loads of energy on the HTs and sentries. After that, one viking salvo will kill just about any Colossus, after which you are left with a bunch of gateway units without FFs. Why ghosts spawn with EMP ready is behond me. If you're lucky you can feedback them, but then ghosts can also cloak. Having an obs ready will usually not enable you to kill off the ghosts BEFORE they spam their EMP. Or am I the only one that thinks that EMP is really strong, compared to the current state of Storm? | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On April 27 2011 01:28 SpaceYeti wrote: Spore crawlers actually have greater range, 7 for a SC vs 6 for a corruptor. Of course, It's the mobility that's really an issue, and the fact that they are ground targetable. They also cost 25 less minerals. EDIT: I really wish they'd just up Corruptor range to 8 or 9.  Even better, then. . I'm really excited about "static" D being in my army. I don't know if it's "good" or even "cute", but it's kind of a cool idea and I really like it. | ||
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omegan
76 Posts
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Stropheum
United States1124 Posts
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Valckrie
United Kingdom533 Posts
Hope these changes go forward, they sound pretty good. | ||
polysciguy
United States488 Posts
On April 27 2011 01:24 Ribbon wrote: Fun fact Even against massive, Spore Crawlers have more DPS that Corruptors and over double the HP. Counting the 50 minerals for the drone, they cost the same amount of minerals/larva and 0 gas and 0 supply. Obviously, they have a bit less range and a lot less mobility, but I'm *REALLY* interested in trying to fit spores into my army and getting fewer corrupters more hydra/infestors/roach/whatever. Yeah yeah, Colos outrange, but you can pick them up and relocate. The big pain of the Deathball is that it can kill your army and walk into your main before you remax, so even slowing it down is interesting. I definitely want to try it out. is that dps comparison including throwing corruption on a target? | ||
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-{Cake}-
United States217 Posts
On April 27 2011 01:42 Ribbon wrote: Even better, then. . I'm really excited about "static" D being in my army. I don't know if it's "good" or even "cute", but it's kind of a cool idea and I really like it. Reminds me of siege tanks, should be interesting | ||
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isospeedrix
United States215 Posts
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silverhand
United States91 Posts
On April 27 2011 01:43 Stropheum wrote: I wonder what the archon mentality is in PvP. The only thing I could think of is one player rushing to either DT tech or High templar tech specifically to make archons to deny the permanent ramp block, which means either DT-Archon/sentry or HT-Archon/zealot. It'd be interesting to see if this actually works well. I don't think it will be that much of an issue, because by the time you get DT tech, the opponent won't be relying on FF to block his ramp or else he deserves to lose. HT tech comes slightly faster, but still not fast enough to warrant getting the Archon to break FF...you have better timing getting blink with an observer to blink past the FF if that is your main concern in PvP post patch, which I doubt it will be. | ||
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SKYFISH_
Bulgaria990 Posts
lol time to star working on those 1rax fast inbase bunker builds I guess thankfully you can salvage bunkers for their full cost so you wont be that far behind after you hold off the rush oh,wait....  | ||
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Footler
United States560 Posts
 . Terran changes seem like good ideas, not sure how it will play out though. And the zerg change I was like "OMG" at first because I was thinking it included spines also but then I realized it was just spores and I was like "pretty cool." 6 sec spine roots would've been interesting. | ||
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raf3776
United States1904 Posts
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Thezzy
Netherlands2117 Posts
On April 27 2011 01:41 Fryght wrote: After they took out amulet, I feel that terran has the advantage, as their ghosts spawn with EMP ready. EMP spam on a protoss army takes off a lot of shield, which is essentially a lot of RAW damage, as well as draining loads of energy on the HTs and sentries. After that, one viking salvo will kill just about any Colossus, after which you are left with a bunch of gateway units without FFs. Why ghosts spawn with EMP ready is behond me. If you're lucky you can feedback them, but then ghosts can also cloak. Having an obs ready will usually not enable you to kill off the ghosts BEFORE they spam their EMP. Or am I the only one that thinks that EMP is really strong, compared to the current state of Storm? The main difference is that EMP can't kill and spamming it is useless. Storm damage can be partially dodged but every second you dodge, you're not doing any damage. If you EMP a Stalker, it may lose its shields but it can still fire and do everything it needs to. Storm works on any unit, shields or no shields, whereas EMP primarily shines against shields or energy the best is both. Ghosts in TvZ are rare, but HT in PvZ can roast Lings, Hydras and Mutas easily. There are many upsides and downsides to EMP and Storm, but IMO they are such different spells from such different units that one shouldn't try to match them in the first place, they just aren't comparable. EMP has its strong points and Storm has its strong points. The units and their spells are just too different and its not just TvP where they can be used. | ||
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silverhand
United States91 Posts
On April 27 2011 01:46 raf3776 wrote: Im pretty sure the archon change wasnt directed at PvP and rather PvT and im sure it will still see little use in PvP The archon buff (if you can call it a buff) to me seems to be negated by the ghost buff. Archons are never a really good idea in PvT once EMP is a factor in the game unless you are just using them to make use of HT's that are drained of energy for storm. | ||
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TechSc2
Netherlands554 Posts
On April 27 2011 01:32 RobotBodies wrote: Imagine if your observer didn't have cloak, and your supply cap went down when it dies :o Imagine that building an observer takes time, and i can't have 10 observers floating around either, since the terran get "free" scanner sweeps to reveal them all. no once the obs is down, banshees can just maul down everything in their path without being stopped, what is toss gonna do? they don't have any on the fly detection like terran, or buffy units like overlord, which aren't taken down in 1 shot to thors | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11133 Posts
On April 27 2011 01:43 Stropheum wrote: I wonder what the archon mentality is in PvP. The only thing I could think of is one player rushing to either DT tech or High templar tech specifically to make archons to deny the permanent ramp block, which means either DT-Archon/sentry or HT-Archon/zealot. It'd be interesting to see if this actually works well. I don't think the Archon change had PvP in mind. It was most likely a PvT change since Archons previously get slaughtered by Concussive Shells. Technically, Archons should be great against Bio since they do a bit of splash damage, do bonus damage against biological, and are leftovers from Templar who use storm to rip apart bio balls. However, the fact that Archons have short range and get slowed down tremendously by Marauders made them extremely unwieldy against well-microed stimmed Bio balls. Seriously, there is nothing more painful than watching an Archon trying to chase Marauders but getting slowed down and kited with Concussive Shells. | ||
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RajaF
Canada530 Posts
On April 27 2011 01:49 silverhand wrote: The archon buff (if you can call it a buff) to me seems to be negated by the ghost buff. Archons are never a really good idea in PvT once EMP is a factor in the game unless you are just using them to make use of HT's that are drained of energy for storm. I don't think anyone will be using 3 or more EMPs to kill one archon. That's just a waste of energy and would guarantee that the rest of the army dies from storms. | ||
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