Massive units are not affected by concussive shells. If you think they are, you are wrong.
It's SPORE crawlers that are being changed, not SPINE. Please read carefully.

dissimulation

United States17 Posts

April 26 2011 11:08 GMT

#1281

TyCe You could always just make sentries out of the normal gateways while your research is researching...

BeMannerDuPenner

Germany5638 Posts

April 26 2011 11:09 GMT

#1282

hoped for a bigger change to warpgates. yeah it makes the timing window smaller still i think the mechanic will continue to create problems. such a low tech to ignore rushdistance is just super hard to really balance on big maps.

pylon radius is a VERY good change. a very very simple and small change to make the "pylon warpin into your base" harder.

rest nothing special. all quite ok i guess.

Also, building excessive bunkers at your natural to blind counter baneling busts will also be punished.

this is the only thing i dont like about the bunker change. you pretty much have to blindly build tons of defensive bunkers to not die vs a bust since there usually is pretty much no way to scout it if the Z is smart.
but i dont think that 100 mins / game will matter that much so whatever..

Mr.X

Spain115 Posts

April 26 2011 11:09 GMT

#1283

I do not know what type of dimensions used in Blizzard, but I can find the estimated reduction of the pylon using percentages.

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If this is the reduction, I do not think a change as significant as many think.

Stating that it is only a simulation based on data.

EDIT: Image correction

Supamang

United States2298 Posts

April 26 2011 11:09 GMT

#1284

interesting that you dont have to get colossi to counter FFs now. not to mention no more marauder slow on archons

Cyber_Cheese

Australia3615 Posts

April 26 2011 11:09 GMT

#1285

spore crawlers get a buff but spines dont? the way i see it they should have the same root time as spines, because theyr very similar

DusTerr

2520 Posts

April 26 2011 11:09 GMT

#1286

nerf to cannon rush, buff to 2 gate proxy

Wahla

11 Posts

April 26 2011 11:10 GMT

#1287

As expected they change something about the bunker :D

cocosoft

Sweden1068 Posts

April 26 2011 11:10 GMT

#1288

On April 26 2011 20:07 Tofugrinder wrote:

Show nested quote +

and I guess, correct me if I'm wrong, archons are really powerful against gateway units

Well yes, I wonder this too...

Ciddass

Germany149 Posts

April 26 2011 11:12 GMT

#1289

great. now protoss get their sentries even faster to stack up their energy

bunker nerf was way overdue.
let's just hope and see. :S
but looks like an interesting way to mix up PvP.

dani`

Netherlands2402 Posts

April 26 2011 11:12 GMT

#1290

On April 26 2011 20:09 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
spore crawlers get a buff but spines dont? the way i see it they should have the same root time as spines, because theyr very similar

How are they similar? They both root in the ground, that's it lol. By that logic all plants and trees are the same to you (and whatever else roots into the ground)

You could easily argue, for example, the Spine Crawler requires a longer rooting time because it is *much* taller, and thus requires to root deeper to be as stable as the Spore. Fixed

MockHamill

Sweden1798 Posts

April 26 2011 11:13 GMT

#1291

It is a good way to fix PvP 4-gates but it introduces probelms in the other matchups. Fast chrono-bosted gateway zealots will be too good on smaller maps. I think it would be better to keep zealot build time at is is, but go ahead with the other changes.

CursedFeanor

Canada539 Posts

April 26 2011 11:20 GMT

#1292

overall I think these are all pretty good changes! can't wait to see them live.

but why make the 2 proxy-gate zealot rush so good once more?

tetracycloide

295 Posts

April 26 2011 11:21 GMT

#1293

Spore crawler change isn't active. They still take 12 seconds to burrow.

dissimulation

United States17 Posts

April 26 2011 11:22 GMT

#1294

On the ptr none of the changes are active yet.

Noitomenon

Germany2 Posts

April 26 2011 11:22 GMT

#1295

I think about playing Mech + Ghost now.

Just 100 Gas for Ghosts makes is even stronger. Lets watch some GoOdy games.

To the spores: I played 1/1/2 Mass Banshee heavy to scout and very strong IMO.
But after the patch Banshees are this useful anymore.

Zorkmid

4410 Posts

April 26 2011 11:24 GMT

#1296

I think that this is going to weaken the quick 4gates. As a Zerg, I can see 6 gates becoming a little harder to hold off.

Homeless666

Czech Republic50 Posts

April 26 2011 11:24 GMT

#1297

it wont be extremely hard to deal with 2gate with current map pool ....

shinarit

Hungary900 Posts

April 26 2011 11:25 GMT

#1298

One question: if archon is massive, siege tanks why not? Its a bit funny that phoenix can lift a tank thats bigger than the whole flier. Meh. Though recently i didnt see anything like this, probably because TvP mech is not based on tanks.

Ipp

United States456 Posts

April 26 2011 11:25 GMT

#1299

On April 26 2011 20:02 IPS.Mardow. wrote:
"Fixed a bug where players were still able to stack flying units on top of each other."

Just read that? What the hell? You aren't able to stuck mutas anymore? wtf, is Blizzard doing x_X

Pretty sure this is mainly for "Viking Flowers" -- Muta's will probably remain unaffected.

toast1337

Norway3 Posts

April 26 2011 11:26 GMT

#1300

PPle say that Protoss is so OP. As a fellow brotoss i hate this changes. Only the archon is good. And the pylon radius wtf?! Guess I should start to play terran then...