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On April 24 2011 23:21 2GRe-Play- wrote:
I dont get why Terran its the Weakest when in TvP at least is harder for Toss
Terran I will just mass T1 units aka Marauders vs Everything protoss do HT, Changelots, Blink, Inmortals, Collosus,
Zerg I will just mass T1 units aka Roaches or Lingz+Blingz vs Everything protoss do
i dont see why Terran and even Zerg players QQing so much
While Watching TSL3 Ro8 on TalDarim Terran Player just keep doing MMM, while Protoss Player had to do T3units.
T3 units vs T1 units is not fair. how is T weak when they just need to spam T1 units?
Yesterday night on iNcontroL`s Stream, he played a Zerg that Mass Roaches and won the game.
we are not talking about a ramdon Protoss player, is iNcontroL losing to mass roaches. WTF?
Once Roaches are 2-2 they just dont die.
dude... have you actually played the game?
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On April 25 2011 00:22 Pulimuli wrote:
dude... have you actually played the game?
I don't think he has.
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On April 25 2011 00:22 Pulimuli wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 23:21 2GRe-Play- wrote:
I dont get why Terran its the Weakest when in TvP at least is harder for Toss
Terran I will just mass T1 units aka Marauders vs Everything protoss do HT, Changelots, Blink, Inmortals, Collosus,
Zerg I will just mass T1 units aka Roaches or Lingz+Blingz vs Everything protoss do
i dont see why Terran and even Zerg players QQing so much
While Watching TSL3 Ro8 on TalDarim Terran Player just keep doing MMM, while Protoss Player had to do T3units.
T3 units vs T1 units is not fair. how is T weak when they just need to spam T1 units?
Yesterday night on iNcontroL`s Stream, he played a Zerg that Mass Roaches and won the game.
we are not talking about a ramdon Protoss player, is iNcontroL losing to mass roaches. WTF?
Once Roaches are 2-2 they just dont die. dude... have you actually played the game?
either hes a troll or a very enraged newbie. im leaning more towards troll, but either way he shouldnt talk anymore.
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Guys, stop picking on that poor 2GRE-play dude, even though he is stupid and all, but he is probably hiding in a closet from all the hating. =P
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Nice, thanks for the videos Artosis! 
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cool
going to watch tonight D:
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A chance for a foreigner in IM!? Mind = Blown.
Well that's enough information to theorycraft for a while!
Much love Artosis, you do amazing work!
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He wants to train non koreans at the IM house, holy fuck batman! Thats gonna be SICK SICK stuff.
Imagine someone like Naniwa, MorroW, ThorZaiN etc with some korean bootcamp training! The possibilities are endless!
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On April 24 2011 22:50 ThunderGod wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 22:17 silverraygun wrote:
Cheese forces you to react well or lose, and zergs tend to be cheesed quite a lot early game. Cloaked stuff especially banshees are marginally harder to deal with as Zerg since early anti air can be a problem unless your build involves a lot of queens and you might be totally blind to it. And remember theres no wall off to prevent stuff running into your base, harrassing and scouting.
So react well. I cheese (read: all-in) Zerg a fair bit because I struggle to compete with them late-game at my MMR level (Terran requires a lot of multitasking late-game and either my macro will slip or I become too passive). Some ops will say "that was a clever cheese, gg" and add it to their knowledge. Some will ragequit. And some will beat me because they react well. As for the other thing, building placement for all races is important to protect against harassment, including walling. I see many games where Zerg will wall with spine/hatch/queen/lings at nat and throw up an evo to protect against hellion runby, then cancel it after. Once you have lings being scouted is not a problem and you can usually get in with a drone before an ops wall is complete (if you are unlucky and scout last position you may need to sac an overlord true).
So basically, you are admitting that you are not at you're MMR level mechanic wise, and compensate this weakness with "clever cheese".
Every zerg get cheesed every two game in ladder game, don't worry we know how to react, like 70% of the time. 
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On April 24 2011 23:21 2GRe-Play- wrote:
I dont get why Terran its the Weakest when in TvP at least is harder for Toss
Terran I will just mass T1 units aka Marauders vs Everything protoss do HT, Changelots, Blink, Inmortals, Collosus,
Zerg I will just mass T1 units aka Roaches or Lingz+Blingz vs Everything protoss do
i dont see why Terran and even Zerg players QQing so much
While Watching TSL3 Ro8 on TalDarim Terran Player just keep doing MMM, while Protoss Player had to do T3units.
T3 units vs T1 units is not fair. how is T weak when they just need to spam T1 units?
Yesterday night on iNcontroL`s Stream, he played a Zerg that Mass Roaches and won the game.
we are not talking about a ramdon Protoss player, is iNcontroL losing to mass roaches. WTF?
Once Roaches are 2-2 they just dont die.
Did you put take any actual time to think before you posted this?
Honestly, it seems like you've played/watched sc2 for maybe a month or still living in the beta days
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I must practise 8 hours a day from now on so I can go play for IM!
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On April 25 2011 01:29 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 22:50 ThunderGod wrote:On April 24 2011 22:17 silverraygun wrote:
Cheese forces you to react well or lose, and zergs tend to be cheesed quite a lot early game. Cloaked stuff especially banshees are marginally harder to deal with as Zerg since early anti air can be a problem unless your build involves a lot of queens and you might be totally blind to it. And remember theres no wall off to prevent stuff running into your base, harrassing and scouting.
So react well. I cheese (read: all-in) Zerg a fair bit because I struggle to compete with them late-game at my MMR level (Terran requires a lot of multitasking late-game and either my macro will slip or I become too passive). Some ops will say "that was a clever cheese, gg" and add it to their knowledge. Some will ragequit. And some will beat me because they react well. As for the other thing, building placement for all races is important to protect against harassment, including walling. I see many games where Zerg will wall with spine/hatch/queen/lings at nat and throw up an evo to protect against hellion runby, then cancel it after. Once you have lings being scouted is not a problem and you can usually get in with a drone before an ops wall is complete (if you are unlucky and scout last position you may need to sac an overlord true). So basically, you are admitting that you are not at you're MMR level mechanic wise, and compensate this weakness with "clever cheese". Every zerg get cheesed every two game in ladder game, don't worry we know how to react, like 70% of the time.
I doubt any top player would disagree that Terran is very demanding APM wise late game. Much more so than Toss and Zerg. Even Losira said Zerg are very easy to A move.
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GOD DAMMIT MVP why do you have to legitimise the whining gold leaguers who will now never stop quoting this.
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On April 25 2011 01:43 Eppa! wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2011 01:29 WhiteDog wrote:On April 24 2011 22:50 ThunderGod wrote:On April 24 2011 22:17 silverraygun wrote:
Cheese forces you to react well or lose, and zergs tend to be cheesed quite a lot early game. Cloaked stuff especially banshees are marginally harder to deal with as Zerg since early anti air can be a problem unless your build involves a lot of queens and you might be totally blind to it. And remember theres no wall off to prevent stuff running into your base, harrassing and scouting.
So react well. I cheese (read: all-in) Zerg a fair bit because I struggle to compete with them late-game at my MMR level (Terran requires a lot of multitasking late-game and either my macro will slip or I become too passive). Some ops will say "that was a clever cheese, gg" and add it to their knowledge. Some will ragequit. And some will beat me because they react well. As for the other thing, building placement for all races is important to protect against harassment, including walling. I see many games where Zerg will wall with spine/hatch/queen/lings at nat and throw up an evo to protect against hellion runby, then cancel it after. Once you have lings being scouted is not a problem and you can usually get in with a drone before an ops wall is complete (if you are unlucky and scout last position you may need to sac an overlord true). So basically, you are admitting that you are not at you're MMR level mechanic wise, and compensate this weakness with "clever cheese". Every zerg get cheesed every two game in ladder game, don't worry we know how to react, like 70% of the time. I doubt any top player would disagree that Terran is very demanding APM wise late game. Much more so than Toss and Zerg. Even Losira said Zerg are very easy to A move.
Yeah, terran army control is the hardest of the 3 race, but mechanics is not only about army control.
Terran need good multitasking, period. This does not change what I said.
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Just send him the TSL replay pack of Thorzain & film IMMVP blushing artosis, next week we bring you P is the weakest race by MC _interview courtesy of artosis
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On April 25 2011 01:53 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2011 01:43 Eppa! wrote:On April 25 2011 01:29 WhiteDog wrote:On April 24 2011 22:50 ThunderGod wrote:On April 24 2011 22:17 silverraygun wrote:
Cheese forces you to react well or lose, and zergs tend to be cheesed quite a lot early game. Cloaked stuff especially banshees are marginally harder to deal with as Zerg since early anti air can be a problem unless your build involves a lot of queens and you might be totally blind to it. And remember theres no wall off to prevent stuff running into your base, harrassing and scouting.
So react well. I cheese (read: all-in) Zerg a fair bit because I struggle to compete with them late-game at my MMR level (Terran requires a lot of multitasking late-game and either my macro will slip or I become too passive). Some ops will say "that was a clever cheese, gg" and add it to their knowledge. Some will ragequit. And some will beat me because they react well. As for the other thing, building placement for all races is important to protect against harassment, including walling. I see many games where Zerg will wall with spine/hatch/queen/lings at nat and throw up an evo to protect against hellion runby, then cancel it after. Once you have lings being scouted is not a problem and you can usually get in with a drone before an ops wall is complete (if you are unlucky and scout last position you may need to sac an overlord true). So basically, you are admitting that you are not at you're MMR level mechanic wise, and compensate this weakness with "clever cheese". Every zerg get cheesed every two game in ladder game, don't worry we know how to react, like 70% of the time. I doubt any top player would disagree that Terran is very demanding APM wise late game. Much more so than Toss and Zerg. Even Losira said Zerg are very easy to A move. Yeah, terran army control is the hardest of the 3 race, but mechanics is not only about army control. Terran need good multitasking, period. This does not change what I said.
who cares? This game is stupidly easy compared to brood war. You can make an argument this game requires very little mechanical skill at all if your comparing it to another RTS with a strong professional scene.
I could probably play Brood war for two weeks straight and still wouldn't be a C player
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On April 25 2011 01:53 CursedRich wrote:
Just send him the TSL replay pack of Thorzain & film IMMVP blushing artosis, next week we bring you P is the weakest race by MC _interview courtesy of artosis
Yea and MVP will probably ask why MC is sat on 11 for the whole game
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On April 25 2011 00:47 Supamang wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2011 00:22 Pulimuli wrote:On April 24 2011 23:21 2GRe-Play- wrote:
I dont get why Terran its the Weakest when in TvP at least is harder for Toss
Terran I will just mass T1 units aka Marauders vs Everything protoss do HT, Changelots, Blink, Inmortals, Collosus,
Zerg I will just mass T1 units aka Roaches or Lingz+Blingz vs Everything protoss do
i dont see why Terran and even Zerg players QQing so much
While Watching TSL3 Ro8 on TalDarim Terran Player just keep doing MMM, while Protoss Player had to do T3units.
T3 units vs T1 units is not fair. how is T weak when they just need to spam T1 units?
Yesterday night on iNcontroL`s Stream, he played a Zerg that Mass Roaches and won the game.
we are not talking about a ramdon Protoss player, is iNcontroL losing to mass roaches. WTF?
Once Roaches are 2-2 they just dont die. dude... have you actually played the game? either hes a troll or a very enraged newbie. im leaning more towards troll, but either way he shouldnt talk anymore.
Aren't you supposed to get bans for things like that?
Regardless I thought MVP's point of view on why Terran seems weak is interesting it is kind of true that warp-in pretty much negates the length of the new GSL maps. wonder what he thinks would need to be changed for Terran other than removing such a racial defining mechanic as warp-in.
All good interviews and tour as usual Artosis can't wait for SlayerS tour and MMA+BoxeR interview!!
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Many thanks to Artosis for taking the time to make these videos for us. I really loved Nestea's praise for Dimaga. Micro, macro, and decision making are so visible and achievable, but the intangibles are like a rare gift.
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On April 24 2011 12:38 KevinIX wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 12:29 SilverPotato wrote:On April 24 2011 12:18 infinity2k9 wrote:On April 24 2011 12:04 SilverPotato wrote:On April 24 2011 12:00 Mailing wrote:
Weakest? Hardly.
Maybe hardest to play, but even that is stretching it. I'm sorry but it's not beta anymore... Yeah T is much harder than zerg and especially toss. How? Mechanically? Zerg is clearly harder mechanically, just the nature of the race and balancing drone/unit production. To be honest balancing drones/unit is way easier than having to constantly remember to every... 17 seconds make SCVs 30 seconds make Marines 45 seconds make Tanks 42 seconds make Vikings With each of those things going at a different pace all in different and constantly changing order. Added to the need to constant add production facilities, expansions, upgrades, and manage building placement, like clockwork over and over again, while managing an army with some of the most micro intensive units (marine micro isn't as easy as it looks, especially when you snap back to your army and see a wall of green rolling towards it) 90% of the games a Terran player loses is because of the added up time of missed unit production resulting in unspent minerals and overall weaker armies. Something that can't happen to Zerg by the nature of your play, and something that doesn't effect a protoss player's play style (usually a P leaves some supply open for warp ins). Honestly, all SC2 mechanics are nothing compared to BW. No race is hard compared to BW. You youngins just need to suck it up. Protoss, Terran, and Zerg (yes Zerg too) are not hard. The hard part is not the race mechanics. People need to stop judging which race is harder than which race, because none of that matters. If I am missing production cycles, it's because I'm bad. Not because my race is "hard".
This is so insanely good, people in brood war dont complain about races being bad because they didnt have their mechanics down, yet somehow if you lose versus a terran zerg or protoss its because youre race is so hard you missed a larva inject, didnt build the right units, forgot a warping cycle etc etc
Just play better is really the only answer, unit balancing on the other hand is what makes matchups hard
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