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iNbluE
Profile Joined January 2011
Switzerland674 Posts
May 02 2011 16:03 GMT
#61
This is plain cheat
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ru.meta
Profile Joined November 2010
Russian Federation88 Posts
May 04 2011 12:53 GMT
#62
On May 03 2011 01:03 iNbluE wrote:
This is plain cheat


Not at all. Check this thread and faq on site.
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ru.meta
Profile Joined November 2010
Russian Federation88 Posts
May 15 2011 14:54 GMT
#63
We released major update that includes:
- overlay to display selected build order (you need to run game in "windowed (fullscreen)" mode)
- informational overlay on buttons - you'll see some application related info (in the future) and be forced to use hotkeys
- probe now automatically detects game loading and end. You still need to point exact moment of start but now it's possible to use "any key" for this - you'll just press e / s / s-d to build first worker and probe starts!
- several bugs fixed

I'll post more detailed report soon but you can start use this stuff right now ^_^ I hope settings is quite self-explainable.
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ru.meta
Profile Joined November 2010
Russian Federation88 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-16 09:00:49
May 16 2011 08:56 GMT
#64
small fix: right now you'll be able to save your settings w/o need to close Probe (restart is still needed to apply). It was a bit annoying for some users.
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ru.meta
Profile Joined November 2010
Russian Federation88 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-16 12:19:03
May 16 2011 12:18 GMT
#65
Here is a screenshot with sample build order

[image loading]

You can freely drag this list to find a best place on screen. I found a bug when build order is not visible on second monitor (not a big issue but..)
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Ser3nitynow
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden89 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-16 12:40:07
May 16 2011 12:39 GMT
#66
On April 21 2011 03:48 NrG.NeverExpo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2011 03:37 ru.meta wrote:
On April 21 2011 03:25 NrG.NeverExpo wrote:
I guess something like this would be ok for practice games, although I would kind of look down upon some one using the program during games that mattered. Kinda seems like a crutch.

yea, I'm concerned about this right now. Of course I can add this to "terms of use" but it will not stop "bad guys" of course Hmm.. one idea comes to me:

what if appliation will press Enter and type I use probe to training not for cheat (probably something shorter) or something like this. So opponent and observers of match will know about it.

I don't know if it would be possible, but it might be nice to have the program so that its not possible to use during a ladder game.


I agree with this. In a way its unfair if one player use this program in a ladder match. It suppose to be a training tool and not a cheating tool so it players should only be able to use it in non-ladder matches.

ps: The program seems nice tho.
Siwa
Profile Joined August 2010
91 Posts
May 16 2011 12:48 GMT
#67
Advanced features like real time screenshot analyzing is cheating, if you implement it.
It is an unfair advantage. Computer program looking at the screen, looking colors of pixels, looking at shapes and reminding you of things. That IS cheating in my book. Even though I understand people have their own opinion what is considered cheating.
Analyzing screenshot after the game is not cheating, of course.

Simple timers are borderline.. I don't mind ppl having software to beep every 12 seconds if that is their thing. More complex than that it slowly gets unfair.

So I would never have the guts to use this on ladder games fearing ban. What ever eula says. Atleast if you build more features to make it better for the user who is using it = making it more unfair to others.
ru.meta
Profile Joined November 2010
Russian Federation88 Posts
May 16 2011 12:56 GMT
#68
On May 16 2011 21:48 Siwa wrote:
Advanced features like real time screenshot analyzing is cheating, if you implement it.
It is an unfair advantage. Computer program looking at the screen, looking colors of pixels, looking at shapes and reminding you of things. That IS cheating in my book. Even though I understand people have their own opinion what is considered cheating.
Analyzing screenshot after the game is not cheating, of course.


I still think about this feature and didn't start implementation mainly because of this concerns.
I think that most information from screenshot (like minerals count / gas / supply) is OK because player see it himself. One except - for minimap because one can easily miss dropship dot (this probably will not be implemented)
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ru.meta
Profile Joined November 2010
Russian Federation88 Posts
May 16 2011 18:06 GMT
#69
I've slightly improved build order content - now it includes path version, matchup and short description (all fields are not required):

[image loading]
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DexVitality
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Hong Kong234 Posts
May 16 2011 20:34 GMT
#70
I can see this as a good training tool but I also feel many will become reliant on it when it comes time to step away from it when laddering and I feel that many people may actually just use it during ladder play which would mean he is cheating. SC is a game where mechanics and remember when to build stuff on your own is a part of the game and its a skill that has to be practiced, if a player uses it during ladder he no longer really needs to think and hence takes the skill and fun out of it. Personally i would not use this program but I do like its concept.
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KaBoom300
Profile Joined January 2011
United States225 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-16 22:02:10
May 16 2011 21:52 GMT
#71
why does this exist? it seems like a cool device for practicing but its completely unfair to use against a ladder opponent. regardless of whether or not its against the ToS or EULA or whatever, a 1v1 match should be a pure contest of skill between two players. no unfair race advantages, and no advantages from any outside application. I know if that I was told my opponent was using this, i would be super pissed off. I want a completely fair game, as Im sure most other people would. I know you say it's just for training, like you said here:

I don't have got 8 hours per day to play. And I don't think that it's a cheat or unfair if someone's has.
So I see no reason to avoid use "computer approach" to help me grow up.


but that's the whole thing. You're trying to make up for that 8 hours a day someone has put in with a computer program. If someone has put in that much effort, they DESERVE to be better than you. That's also why SC2 has matchmaking, so you can play against people of similar skill than you. You will never have to play against people who have practiced 8 hours a day for several years.
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ru.meta
Profile Joined November 2010
Russian Federation88 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-17 06:55:09
May 17 2011 06:54 GMT
#72
On May 17 2011 06:52 KaBoom300 wrote:
why does this exist? it seems like a cool device for practicing but its completely unfair to use against a ladder opponent. regardless of whether or not its against the ToS or EULA or whatever, a 1v1 match should be a pure contest of skill between two players. no unfair race advantages, and no advantages from any outside application. I know if that I was told my opponent was using this, i would be super pissed off. I want a completely fair game, as Im sure most other people would. I know you say it's just for training, like you said here:

Show nested quote +
I don't have got 8 hours per day to play. And I don't think that it's a cheat or unfair if someone's has.
So I see no reason to avoid use "computer approach" to help me grow up.


but that's the whole thing. You're trying to make up for that 8 hours a day someone has put in with a computer program. If someone has put in that much effort, they DESERVE to be better than you. That's also why SC2 has matchmaking, so you can play against people of similar skill than you. You will never have to play against people who have practiced 8 hours a day for several years.


Do you think that sticker with build order on monitor give player "unfair advantage"? I believe not.

This program is about skill improvement but not any particular game. As from my experience - probe doesn't make you play better right now - it's a bit distracting to pay attention to something outside a game.

Again - think about probe as a buddy near you. I think that it's fine to play custom / ladder games with coach (and there are sites and streams dedicated to this). Player definitely will neither bring papers with build orders or buddy to tournament nor install probe there ^_^

Anyway - thank you for feedback.
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hAxel
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom57 Posts
May 17 2011 08:02 GMT
#73
Not sure if it's cheat or not (can't read whole thread yet, but it uses my face or space book or whatever.

I can't use this until you get it free from that crap and even then it's debatable if I would bother.

Great effort though OP, I'm sure plenty appreciate the work you put in.

Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
May 17 2011 08:12 GMT
#74
Wouldn't it be better to create custom maps for that? Something like YABOT.

This would stop the cheating discussion and remove all concerns about breaking the EULA and losing your account.
Currently i'm quite sure that the EULA could be interpreted in a way that even using it in custom games could get you banned.
dashiz
Profile Joined August 2010
Costa Rica193 Posts
May 17 2011 08:22 GMT
#75
detect enemy unit appeared on minimap, seriously?
I dont think thats even legal to use on ladder.
ilmman
Profile Joined September 2010
364 Posts
May 17 2011 08:31 GMT
#76
Just a heads up, Blizzard is actively cracking down on apps like these. My app (StarCraft 2 Talking Build Order) received an infringement notice and was ordered to take it down. So I suggest you prepare for it. Get rid of any infringement (ie: Pictures, even words that contain the word "StarCraft" and sound) and they "might" pass you.
ru.meta
Profile Joined November 2010
Russian Federation88 Posts
May 17 2011 08:43 GMT
#77
On May 17 2011 17:31 ilmman wrote:
Just a heads up, Blizzard is actively cracking down on apps like these. My app (StarCraft 2 Talking Build Order) received an infringement notice and was ordered to take it down. So I suggest you prepare for it. Get rid of any infringement (ie: Pictures, even words that contain the word "StarCraft" and sound) and they "might" pass you.


It's because of usage of starcraft 2 icons and brands? or because of features of application?
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ilmman
Profile Joined September 2010
364 Posts
May 17 2011 08:54 GMT
#78
Will using any of their pictures will give u that notice. Since yours is free and not "commercial" then I guess its a different story? I have no idea with the legal processes, but I find that even when I was making custom maps for SC2.. It wouldnt even let me use the word "StarCraft" on any description..
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
May 17 2011 09:05 GMT
#79
This is absolutely brilliant. I think the main thing is to add more builds. This is really helping me out.

Also, with the reminders (check minimap/resources/production), if they're all selected they just all go at the same time. Maybe space them 10 seconds apart? I'm a low level player and if I was getting yelled at every 10 seconds it'd probably make me a lot more alert.

Keep it up, with some more work this will be game changing for SC2.
ru.meta
Profile Joined November 2010
Russian Federation88 Posts
May 17 2011 09:13 GMT
#80
On May 17 2011 17:54 ilmman wrote:
Will using any of their pictures will give u that notice. Since yours is free and not "commercial" then I guess its a different story? I have no idea with the legal processes, but I find that even when I was making custom maps for SC2.. It wouldnt even let me use the word "StarCraft" on any description..


I understand you. I do my best to stay legal and stated on "about" box in application and site footer that StarCraft trademark and all related things are property of Blizzard.

Also I want to thank guys that create a free fonts and graphics that I've used in application. If you found your image / article without any reference to you - please tell me.
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