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iNbluE
Switzerland674 Posts
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ru.meta
Russian Federation88 Posts
On May 03 2011 01:03 iNbluE wrote: This is plain cheat Not at all. Check this thread and faq on site. | ||
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ru.meta
Russian Federation88 Posts
- overlay to display selected build order (you need to run game in "windowed (fullscreen)" mode) - informational overlay on buttons - you'll see some application related info (in the future) and be forced to use hotkeys - probe now automatically detects game loading and end. You still need to point exact moment of start but now it's possible to use "any key" for this - you'll just press e / s / s-d to build first worker and probe starts! - several bugs fixed I'll post more detailed report soon but you can start use this stuff right now ^_^ I hope settings is quite self-explainable. | ||
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ru.meta
Russian Federation88 Posts
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ru.meta
Russian Federation88 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/JUFLw.png) You can freely drag this list to find a best place on screen. I found a bug when build order is not visible on second monitor (not a big issue but..) | ||
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Ser3nitynow
Sweden89 Posts
On April 21 2011 03:48 NrG.NeverExpo wrote: I don't know if it would be possible, but it might be nice to have the program so that its not possible to use during a ladder game. I agree with this. In a way its unfair if one player use this program in a ladder match. It suppose to be a training tool and not a cheating tool so it players should only be able to use it in non-ladder matches. ps: The program seems nice tho. | ||
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Siwa
91 Posts
It is an unfair advantage. Computer program looking at the screen, looking colors of pixels, looking at shapes and reminding you of things. That IS cheating in my book. Even though I understand people have their own opinion what is considered cheating. Analyzing screenshot after the game is not cheating, of course. Simple timers are borderline.. I don't mind ppl having software to beep every 12 seconds if that is their thing. More complex than that it slowly gets unfair. So I would never have the guts to use this on ladder games fearing ban. What ever eula says. Atleast if you build more features to make it better for the user who is using it = making it more unfair to others. | ||
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ru.meta
Russian Federation88 Posts
On May 16 2011 21:48 Siwa wrote: Advanced features like real time screenshot analyzing is cheating, if you implement it. It is an unfair advantage. Computer program looking at the screen, looking colors of pixels, looking at shapes and reminding you of things. That IS cheating in my book. Even though I understand people have their own opinion what is considered cheating. Analyzing screenshot after the game is not cheating, of course. I still think about this feature and didn't start implementation mainly because of this concerns. I think that most information from screenshot (like minerals count / gas / supply) is OK because player see it himself. One except - for minimap because one can easily miss dropship dot (this probably will not be implemented) | ||
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ru.meta
Russian Federation88 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/z4c10.png) | ||
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DexVitality
Hong Kong234 Posts
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KaBoom300
United States225 Posts
I don't have got 8 hours per day to play. And I don't think that it's a cheat or unfair if someone's has. So I see no reason to avoid use "computer approach" to help me grow up. but that's the whole thing. You're trying to make up for that 8 hours a day someone has put in with a computer program. If someone has put in that much effort, they DESERVE to be better than you. That's also why SC2 has matchmaking, so you can play against people of similar skill than you. You will never have to play against people who have practiced 8 hours a day for several years. | ||
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ru.meta
Russian Federation88 Posts
On May 17 2011 06:52 KaBoom300 wrote: why does this exist? it seems like a cool device for practicing but its completely unfair to use against a ladder opponent. regardless of whether or not its against the ToS or EULA or whatever, a 1v1 match should be a pure contest of skill between two players. no unfair race advantages, and no advantages from any outside application. I know if that I was told my opponent was using this, i would be super pissed off. I want a completely fair game, as Im sure most other people would. I know you say it's just for training, like you said here: but that's the whole thing. You're trying to make up for that 8 hours a day someone has put in with a computer program. If someone has put in that much effort, they DESERVE to be better than you. That's also why SC2 has matchmaking, so you can play against people of similar skill than you. You will never have to play against people who have practiced 8 hours a day for several years. Do you think that sticker with build order on monitor give player "unfair advantage"? I believe not. This program is about skill improvement but not any particular game. As from my experience - probe doesn't make you play better right now - it's a bit distracting to pay attention to something outside a game. Again - think about probe as a buddy near you. I think that it's fine to play custom / ladder games with coach (and there are sites and streams dedicated to this). Player definitely will neither bring papers with build orders or buddy to tournament nor install probe there ^_^ Anyway - thank you for feedback. | ||
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hAxel
United Kingdom57 Posts
I can't use this until you get it free from that crap and even then it's debatable if I would bother. Great effort though OP, I'm sure plenty appreciate the work you put in. | ||
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Deleted User 101379
4849 Posts
This would stop the cheating discussion and remove all concerns about breaking the EULA and losing your account. Currently i'm quite sure that the EULA could be interpreted in a way that even using it in custom games could get you banned. | ||
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dashiz
Costa Rica193 Posts
I dont think thats even legal to use on ladder. | ||
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ilmman
364 Posts
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ru.meta
Russian Federation88 Posts
On May 17 2011 17:31 ilmman wrote: Just a heads up, Blizzard is actively cracking down on apps like these. My app (StarCraft 2 Talking Build Order) received an infringement notice and was ordered to take it down. So I suggest you prepare for it. Get rid of any infringement (ie: Pictures, even words that contain the word "StarCraft" and sound) and they "might" pass you. It's because of usage of starcraft 2 icons and brands? or because of features of application? | ||
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ilmman
364 Posts
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Ruscour
5233 Posts
Also, with the reminders (check minimap/resources/production), if they're all selected they just all go at the same time. Maybe space them 10 seconds apart? I'm a low level player and if I was getting yelled at every 10 seconds it'd probably make me a lot more alert. Keep it up, with some more work this will be game changing for SC2. | ||
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ru.meta
Russian Federation88 Posts
On May 17 2011 17:54 ilmman wrote: Will using any of their pictures will give u that notice. Since yours is free and not "commercial" then I guess its a different story? I have no idea with the legal processes, but I find that even when I was making custom maps for SC2.. It wouldnt even let me use the word "StarCraft" on any description.. I understand you. I do my best to stay legal and stated on "about" box in application and site footer that StarCraft trademark and all related things are property of Blizzard. Also I want to thank guys that create a free fonts and graphics that I've used in application. If you found your image / article without any reference to you - please tell me. | ||
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Hmm.. one idea comes to me:
