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XiaN
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Germany162 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-21 20:29:13
April 21 2011 20:28 GMT
#41
But 1) is not very practicable for the 0815 user 2) is just a more complicated way of releasing the source and 3) seem pretty paranoid ^_^

Its your project and no need to rush. But when it comes to keystroke logging a lot of people become pretty scared and it could help if some of the known coders in the community could take a look and say "Its save to use". Not saying its not at the current state :D

Yeah i kinda figured when i saw the sexy use of conditional CCK fields in the tutorial video. Looks very very good imo. Well done website.

The only suggestion i would make is : Use HighCharts for displaying the "you failed on macro here" tables. Just views tables is not very user friendly imo.

Anyway : Keep up the good work!
< (。◕‿‿◕。) > | Former technical admin of ROOT-Gaming (root-gaming.com)
ru.meta
Profile Joined November 2010
Russian Federation88 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-22 06:28:04
April 22 2011 06:23 GMT
#42
On April 22 2011 05:28 XiaN wrote:
...0815 user...

What does it means? Looks like some reference to German culture.
On April 22 2011 05:28 XiaN wrote:
Its your project and no need to rush. But when it comes to keystroke logging a lot of people become pretty scared and it could help if some of the known coders in the community could take a look and say "Its save to use". Not saying its not at the current state :D

I cannot imagine that every player will set up Visual Studio to build client. May be community can select someone to build project and create installers.
But anyway it's not looks like a short term aim because this definitely will complicate bugfixes and development of new features.
On April 22 2011 05:28 XiaN wrote:
Yeah i kinda figured when i saw the sexy use of conditional CCK fields in the tutorial video. Looks very very good imo. Well done website.

The only suggestion i would make is : Use HighCharts for displaying the "you failed on macro here" tables. Just views tables is not very user friendly imo.
Anyway : Keep up the good work!


Ohh, looks great probably I'll use HighCarts for this. Thank you!
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HEROwithNOlegacy
Profile Joined June 2010
United States850 Posts
April 22 2011 06:37 GMT
#43
Worth a try, great ideas I hope more people help spread the word to give it a try and check out this thread
SlayerS Fighting!
ru.meta
Profile Joined November 2010
Russian Federation88 Posts
April 27 2011 07:24 GMT
#44
Hi everyone, I've just updated version of application - bunch of fixes applied. Major fixes:

- fixed issue when probe cannot catch keypresses in starcraft while working well in other applications
- client didn't properly reconnect if somethings was wrong

Good news! We almost completed build orders notifications and will release it within a couple of days!
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ru.meta
Profile Joined November 2010
Russian Federation88 Posts
April 29 2011 06:04 GMT
#45
Build orders released! Check it out
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ru.meta
Profile Joined November 2010
Russian Federation88 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-29 18:34:22
April 29 2011 17:30 GMT
#46
I found that there are lack of build orders with precise timings to smothly integrate with probe.

So I decided to convert some interesting/popular BO to time based format.

Right now I've completed Korean 3 Stalker Robo

It's turned out surprisingly easy even for me to create (and then execute from 1st try) time-based bo from replay (thank you András for sc2gears!)

I'm going to convert all build orders (except for stubs) from liquipedia to this format. And I will be really happy if someone can bring help

Do you think that it will be helpful to add these timings to liquipedia as I find them out?
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GTo7_Panda
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany68 Posts
April 29 2011 21:37 GMT
#47
@ ru.meta:

0815 was a standarized format for weaponcrafting within germany in WW2. Nowadays it is a synonym for a normal thing. Example: This newspaper has like 0815 articles. Means: This newspaper has articles every other newspeaper has too.
ru.meta
Profile Joined November 2010
Russian Federation88 Posts
April 30 2011 04:42 GMT
#48
@GTo7_Panda:

OK. Thank you for the explanation!
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HomicidaL
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States283 Posts
April 30 2011 05:50 GMT
#49
I dont like this, from what Im getting its preety much cheating, u might as well use a bot, or not even play the game
aka_star
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United Kingdom1546 Posts
April 30 2011 06:05 GMT
#50
It's a nice idea, but I'll wait for an offline mode. Not so keen on this whole social media grabish and putting data out there for people to snipe. Looking at the brief intro I Can't see why the app needs to connect anywhere since its a simple metronome with a key press event anyway :-/

FlashDave.999 aka Star
ru.meta
Profile Joined November 2010
Russian Federation88 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-30 16:31:27
April 30 2011 16:22 GMT
#51
On April 30 2011 14:50 HomicidaL wrote:
I dont like this, from what Im getting its preety much cheating, u might as well use a bot, or not even play the game


Not really, this tool doesn't do anything for you but helps you to train basic macro skills. Then your mind will be free to play:

- make decisions how to use your great economy and production powers
- play meta-games with opponent
- spent more time on micro-control

For me starcraft is likely about these things but not repeating cycles of unit and supply building.

If over-simplify what top pro gamers do - they play so much and basic skills become so natural. So "basic" and "regular" tasks require less "processor time" of mind. So player can use this time to do more important things.

I don't have got 8 hours per day to play. And I don't think that it's a cheat or unfair if someone's has.
So I see no reason to avoid use "computer approach" to help me grow up.
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KevinIX
Profile Joined October 2009
United States2472 Posts
April 30 2011 16:46 GMT
#52
To be honest I wouldn't care if my opponent was using the program. All it does is help them macro better/check minimap. Ideally, my macro is going to be perfect anyway. If I lose, it's because I need to work on my macro. It's not like playing against a maphacker, where it's impossible to level the playing field.
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ru.meta
Profile Joined November 2010
Russian Federation88 Posts
April 30 2011 16:56 GMT
#53
On May 01 2011 01:46 KevinIX wrote:
To be honest I wouldn't care if my opponent was using the program. All it does is help them macro better/check minimap. Ideally, my macro is going to be perfect anyway. If I lose, it's because I need to work on my macro. It's not like playing against a maphacker, where it's impossible to level the playing field.


Thank you. That what I tried to say - probe does not move you to the next floor. It's about growing up. Not rocket jumping.
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Dymitr
Profile Joined January 2011
Russian Federation6 Posts
April 30 2011 17:27 GMT
#54
Hi there!
Nice tool, really like it - it's just like personal coach behind via keypress and adjustible settings so it's just amazing.
But is there a way to set production hotkeys to anything else of 1-0+w? Becouse for me i use q+a+z for my production in game(took this idea from http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=209178 thread) and for now i just set voice notification per 30 sec.
And another question is how we can adjust volume of notifications(i like to play with music at the background and sometimes probe sound is not clear enought).
Thanks for this again, nice work.
ru.meta
Profile Joined November 2010
Russian Federation88 Posts
April 30 2011 18:23 GMT
#55
On May 01 2011 02:27 Dymitr wrote:
Hi there!
Nice tool, really like it - it's just like personal coach behind via keypress and adjustible settings so it's just amazing.
But is there a way to set production hotkeys to anything else of 1-0+w? Becouse for me i use q+a+z for my production in game(took this idea from http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=209178 thread) and for now i just set voice notification per 30 sec.
And another question is how we can adjust volume of notifications(i like to play with music at the background and sometimes probe sound is not clear enought).
Thanks for this again, nice work.

As for hotkeys - yes we're going to add customization here. Please give your vote at uservoice forum

As for volume - I'll check if it's possible.
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ru.meta
Profile Joined November 2010
Russian Federation88 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-30 19:14:51
April 30 2011 19:08 GMT
#56
On April 30 2011 15:05 aka_star wrote:
It's a nice idea, but I'll wait for an offline mode. Not so keen on this whole social media grabish and putting data out there for people to snipe. Looking at the brief intro I Can't see why the app needs to connect anywhere since its a simple metronome with a key press event anyway :-/


There is a mode "just notify me" that works as metronome but probe have more that this.
If you need just metronome - use "day[9] coacher" application or any real metronome.

There are several reasons why this application is online:

- I believe it's more convenient for user to have tiny client almost with no UI and web page opposite to having to update client manually several times (probe just looks like a simple application - we've fixed for about 30+ issues from release date). You see updates and fixes in web interface instantly.
- even if there is an error in probe - it will get fix from server and apply automatically
- you have a storage for your game data (yours data is private of course)
- you have ability to share and view shared build orders
- overall, such architecture allows us to develop and present features faster and be more flexible

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ru.meta
Profile Joined November 2010
Russian Federation88 Posts
May 01 2011 17:52 GMT
#57
update: now we're working on replay analysis.
I believe we can show you something interesting.
If you wish to something specific - say it.
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Dymitr
Profile Joined January 2011
Russian Federation6 Posts
May 02 2011 15:21 GMT
#58
for some reason i cant vote at uservoice forum, tryied site account and facebook =(
ru.meta
Profile Joined November 2010
Russian Federation88 Posts
May 02 2011 15:25 GMT
#59
On May 03 2011 00:21 Dymitr wrote:
for some reason i cant vote at uservoice forum, tryied site account and facebook =(


Strange thing... I'll check it.

I remember about you wish anyway
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ru.meta
Profile Joined November 2010
Russian Federation88 Posts
May 02 2011 15:36 GMT
#60
On May 03 2011 00:25 ru.meta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2011 00:21 Dymitr wrote:
for some reason i cant vote at uservoice forum, tryied site account and facebook =(


Strange thing... I'll check it.

I remember about you wish anyway


By the way, it turns out that you can vote without login.
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