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I've recently adjusted my mouse setting
per Cecil Shunkure's thread regarding
mouse acceleration.
I've turned it off in the Win7 registry, and
have disabled the 'enhance pointer
precision' setting as well. These changes
have been brutal on my gameplay... I'm
currently playing at 1600 DPI on my razer
imperator, with 51 % in game sensitivity.
It's been three days since I've changed but
I can't seem to get it down yet. T_T.
My mouse has been flying all over the
place, and its been extremely frustrating.
I'm a 3350 masters player from last
season, but now I'm regularly losing to
lower level players due to abysmal
control...
My forcefields miss regularly, I mismicro
my units, and every once in a while ill end up looking at a totally insignificant part of the map because of a sudden movement. I frequently
box too large or too small, and I mis-hotkey because I think I've selected when I
haven't. It's quite depressing and I have to
stay away from the ladder to avoid getting too frustrated.
Has anyone similar issues? If so, words of
tips/advice/encouragement would really be appreciated.
Thanks
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I'm using a new steelseries kinzu, it's really lightweight, fast, accurate, the one problem is that the double clicking is super sensitive , causes me to lose games , play slower, and make alot of mistakes, i suggest just sitting down and taking as much time as it possibly takes to get the ' perfect ' setting, thats what i did, constant trial and error. gl
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My only advice is not to listen to these "optimal settings" and instead use whatever feels the most natural to you.
I'm using settings that I made through trial and error, something like 800 DPI and ~60 in-game sensitivity. Its probably not optimal and "1:1" or whatever the hell that means, but who cares? I'm high masters and I don't feel my problems stem from my mouse being too inaccurate. Starcraft doesn't make you click on individual pixels, the more important part is for your mousehand to feel natural, so you can focus on the actual gameplay.
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I'd say go back to the settings that were working for you. I recently made the switch to the same settings you did and it actually improved my accuracy, but if that is not the case for you, then go back to what worked.
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sounds like your mouse is just too sensitive for you, try turning the DPI down?
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I made the switch a few months back, and I played tons of minesweeper to adapt. It worked pretty well, so i would suggest that.
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On April 15 2011 01:38 GGzerG wrote:
I'm using a new steelseries kinzu, it's really lightweight, fast, accurate, the one problem is that the double clicking is super sensitive , causes me to lose games , play slower, and make alot of mistakes, i suggest just sitting down and taking as much time as it possibly takes to get the ' perfect ' setting, thats what i did, constant trial and error. gl
Off-topic, but you are aware that the Kinzu is the only gaming mouse with acceleration built in and you cant turn it off? It has an advantage over software mouse acceleration but you should be aware - I use one myself.
On-topic, you say it has been 3 days, but how many hours have you put in? It should only take 8 hours or so of SC2 to be accustomed to new mouse settings (unlike acceleration, which you can never be 'accustomed' to). If you are worried about your ladder rank, play customs or mouse training UMS maps.
Edit: you can play mouse trainers like OSU, minesweeper, or missionred outside of SC2 but the settings may not be the same.
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original thread? 
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What is your resolution? 1600 dpi is a lot, I play on 1600x1200 with 450, so you may want to try out a lower dpi to increase accuracy.
I suggest playing "Osu!". It is a fun rhythm game that depends heavily on mouse accuracy. After being able to make it through one track on the easiest difficulty, move up. Do this again and again. If you spend a few days playing like this, your body and brain will be forced to figure out your new mouse setup.
Don't listen to this guy:
On April 15 2011 01:40 Bagi wrote:
My only advice is not to listen to these "optimal settings" and instead use whatever feels the most natural to you.
You will adapt, quicker than you think with practice. Once you do, it will be a world of difference. It's like laddering to Masters doing only 4 gate, then trying out different builds. It takes a while, but once you figure it out it's much more rewarding.
glhf.
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Switch down the DPI or drop the in-game sensitivity.
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Set ur windows sensitivity to 6/11 and in game to any setting u wish as long as it isnt divisible by 5. I use my death adder on 3500 dpi, and at 61% in game and my mouse goes and clicks where I want it. I never did any of the mouse acceleration shit buddy did because if you have a mouse with it's own drivers and firmware, your mouse's polling rate in the firmware should override it anyways.
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I don't get it why do people think it is bad to use mouse acceleration. If you feel comfortable with it then use it. I doubt that if you have mouse acceleration on you get some kind of error whenever you try to reach more than 3350 points.
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On April 15 2011 01:45 Jimmy Raynor wrote:
I don't get it why do people think it is bad to use mouse acceleration. If you feel comfortable with it then use it. I doubt that if you have mouse acceleration on you get some kind of error whenever you try to reach more than 3350 points.
its not really a big deal
enhanced pointer precision is
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On April 15 2011 01:43 Misanthrope wrote:What is your resolution? 1600 dpi is a lot, I play on 1600x1200 with 450, so you may want to try out a lower dpi to increase accuracy. I suggest playing "Osu!". It is a fun rhythm game that depends heavily on mouse accuracy. After being able to make it through one track on the easiest difficulty, move up. Do this again and again. If you spend a few days playing like this, your body and brain will be forced to figure out your new mouse setup. Don't listen to this guy: Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 01:40 Bagi wrote:
My only advice is not to listen to these "optimal settings" and instead use whatever feels the most natural to you.
You will adapt, quicker than you think with practice. Once you do, it will be a world of difference. It's like laddering to Masters doing only 4 gate, then trying out different builds. It takes a while, but once you figure it out it's much more rewarding. glhf.
450? wow. 1600 is NOT alot. i would say its very normal for most fps/rts players.
nobody is saying you SHOULDN'T use acceleration. If you need it then play with it! Its all personal preference and nobody can tell you other wise. Play with what you are comfortable with.
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On April 15 2011 01:46 War Horse wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 01:45 Jimmy Raynor wrote:
I don't get it why do people think it is bad to use mouse acceleration. If you feel comfortable with it then use it. I doubt that if you have mouse acceleration on you get some kind of error whenever you try to reach more than 3350 points. its not really a big deal enhanced pointer precision is
Ok, so if someone uses enhanced pointer precision and feels comfortable with it, people think it is somewhat of a disadvantage?
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Did you try something less than 1600 dpi?
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I play without accel as well, I use g9 and I aim everything perfectly,but maybe its cause I come from a FPS background.
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On April 15 2011 01:51 Treemonkeys wrote:
Did you try something less than 1600 dpi?
yes I experimented with 1200 and 1400 but then I have a lot of trouble scrolling. Like its to the point where I feel like my mouse pad needs to be twice as wide. I'm plating at 1920x1080 btw.
Thanks for all the advice guys, its really helpful.
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Your enter key seems to be mallfunctioning.
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Ive been using 1800 since i had first bought a razer diamondback.
use 1800 on my Xai now ^^
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On April 15 2011 01:49 Jimmy Raynor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 01:46 War Horse wrote:On April 15 2011 01:45 Jimmy Raynor wrote:
I don't get it why do people think it is bad to use mouse acceleration. If you feel comfortable with it then use it. I doubt that if you have mouse acceleration on you get some kind of error whenever you try to reach more than 3350 points. its not really a big deal enhanced pointer precision is Ok, so if someone uses enhanced pointer precision and feels comfortable with it, people think it is somewhat of a disadvantage?
People don't think it's a disadvantage, they know it is. Again, there is always something to be improving upon in-game that is non-keyboard/mouse related. But if you can get also improve your gameplay at the same time by using optimal mouse/keyboard settings, than why not?
The proble with the windows enhanced pointer precision should be pretty apparent with a short in-game test. Turn on enhanced pointer precision. Find a friend of equal skill, and have zlot or zergling micro wars with each other. The distance that needs to be traveled is very small, but your reactions and commands need to be very, very quick.
If you have enhanced mouse on, the quicker you try to micro these small distances, the harder/impossibler(lol) it becomes as the enhanced precision is causing your mouse to move greater distances as your speed increases.
And to the OP, I finally turned off mouse acceleration in War3 a few years ago, and it took me about 200 games or so to adapt, the worst thing you can do is keep turning it on/off.
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What was really most interesting about OP was the format of it? You trying to write a song? I'm actually curious about this.
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On April 15 2011 02:13 REM.ca wrote:
What was really most interesting about OP was the format of it? You trying to write a song? I'm actually curious about this.
lol sorry. I'm typing on my phone and the formatting gets a bit butchered. Apologies...
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I recently turned off mouse acceleration as well, and I've found it to help so much on precision for cross screen jumps/clicks. Actually, the greatest indicator for me was the increase in performance at osu! lol.
http://osu.ppy.sh/
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I play with mouse acceleration. I think once you get the muscle memory down, acceleration is just as fast as without.
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1600 DPI lol, I use half of that but I'm also on a lower resolution, I also recently tried mouse acceleration with my new replacement of my old MX518, it's very difficult to control and easy to 'overshoot' where your aiming at but my overall speed all over the screen improved greatly.
First time I played to test it on Xel'Naga vs Insane Zerg in a 20 min game, I had 151 APM from just micro'ing marauders perfectly against roaches (I think because vs AI has 0 ping) and macroing 3-4 Base with greater ease, oddly it went back to the normal 100-120+ but still a bit higher than usual, I think I just have to get used to it and experiment.
Anyway either turn off your mouse acceleration and go back to what you used to, or simply cut down on the DPI, trying to get my mouse in a comfortable natural position where I can have high performance is something that I struggle with every day, not to mention the annoying wire :S
I'm curious thou if anyone Master's know the optimal settings for an MX518 with SC2 ^_^
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On April 15 2011 01:43 gogogadgetflow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 01:38 GGzerG wrote:
I'm using a new steelseries kinzu, it's really lightweight, fast, accurate, the one problem is that the double clicking is super sensitive , causes me to lose games , play slower, and make alot of mistakes, i suggest just sitting down and taking as much time as it possibly takes to get the ' perfect ' setting, thats what i did, constant trial and error. gl Off-topic, but you are aware that the Kinzu is the only gaming mouse with acceleration built in and you cant turn it off? It has an advantage over software mouse acceleration but you should be aware - I use one myself.
Did you get that from the excuse that Steelseries posted on their site, that the Kinzu's acceleration was designed to be that way? Well... they denied the 'problem' for 8 months and then put it up saying it was intentional. It also has terrible amounts of negative mouse acceleration.
As for the OP, keep playing with the new settings, you'll get used to it eventually.
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Whenever I change my mouse settings, I play a few hours of starjeweled. It has a good mix of using mouse accuracy and thinking, which gets you in the habit of learning the new settings while focusing on gameplay.
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Set the dpi to whatever allows you to reach all four corners of the screen with the amount of movement that's comfortable to you. Acceleration, EPP, etc should be off don't even think about turning them back on.
I find the best way to acclimate is by playing a different game that also requires a lot of quick mouse precision: minesweeper, osu, bejeweled, etc. You could probably also find some custom games in SC2 that involve a lot of micro. Anything really that requires a TON of accurate mouse usage in concentrated periods of time.
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On April 15 2011 01:43 gogogadgetflow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 01:38 GGzerG wrote:
I'm using a new steelseries kinzu, it's really lightweight, fast, accurate, the one problem is that the double clicking is super sensitive , causes me to lose games , play slower, and make alot of mistakes, i suggest just sitting down and taking as much time as it possibly takes to get the ' perfect ' setting, thats what i did, constant trial and error. gl Off-topic, but you are aware that the Kinzu is the only gaming mouse with acceleration built in and you cant turn it off? It has an advantage over software mouse acceleration but you should be aware - I use one myself. On-topic, you say it has been 3 days, but how many hours have you put in? It should only take 8 hours or so of SC2 to be accustomed to new mouse settings (unlike acceleration, which you can never be 'accustomed' to). If you are worried about your ladder rank, play customs or mouse training UMS maps. Edit: you can play mouse trainers like OSU, minesweeper, or missionred outside of SC2 but the settings may not be the same.
Off topic: Are you sure about that, Kinzu software has an option to turn of mouse acceleration. I can't feel the acceleration either.
On topic, I hate not using mouse acceleration when not playing but it helps micro.
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Don't listen to the guys who told you to put it back to how it was before.
Lower your sensitivity by changing your DPI. If you can't change your DPI, i advise you lower your sensitivity in windows to (5/11) or soemthing and then adjust it to match in sc2. This is to retain muscle memory when you are browsing vs playing. I have mine at 5/11 in windows and 42% in sc2.
Mouse accel is a huge hindrance to your gameplay. Listen to cecil and keep it off.
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If you have a steelseries mouse youc an adjust all those settings o.o
My Xai is at 450 dpi, mouse accel off, you can switch sensitivity of the double click and everything.
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On April 15 2011 02:43 Bear4188 wrote:
Set the dpi to whatever allows you to reach all four corners of the screen with the amount of movement that's comfortable to you. Acceleration, EPP, etc should be off don't even think about turning them back on.
I find the best way to acclimate is by playing a different game that also requires a lot of quick mouse precision: minesweeper, osu, bejeweled, etc. You could probably also find some custom games in SC2 that involve a lot of micro. Anything really that requires a TON of accurate mouse usage in concentrated periods of time.
These are great ideas... Thank you
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On April 15 2011 01:42 Cragus wrote:
I made the switch a few months back, and I played tons of minesweeper to adapt. It worked pretty well, so i would suggest that.
You sir, are a boss.
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My monitor's pretty big so playing on 6/11 and 51% sensitivity just doesn't work at ALL for me. I crank up the sensitivity in-game to like 81% to adjust for it because my mouse is low-tech and I can't adjust DPI settings. Is there a better way or is this just the only option other than buying a better mouse?
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Back like 5 months ago when I first heard about this I was already high diamond, and I decided to change it because it seemed like a good idea. What I noticed personally was that my mouse simply wasn't moving fast enough. I think I lost like 14 out of 15 games right after changing it, and the one game I won was a roach rush on Steppes  . I don't know what my actual DPI is, I just use a random logitech mouse that my friend had laying around, but all I had to do was just move my sensitivity to where it felt "closer" to what it was before turning off acceleration, which turned out to me setting my ingame sensitivity up to I think 76%. It's all about preference yes, but not in the fact that mouse acceleration should be preference. Turn it off, after about a week, I was used to it, and I was wayy more accurate with my mouse because I didn't have stupid irregular moveements. So after turning it off, just adjust your sensitivity around a lot until you find what seems "right".
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It's similar when people swap mice. Sometimes I hear people say, "Oh if I don't like it I'll just swap back to my old mouse". Why though, it takes time to adjust and you know what benefits it will bring.
For me I started using mousefix and the like many years. It was very wierd at first and yes, you don't aim as well as you did before because you made a big change. But you instantly feel the accuracy, I would call it 1:1. The mouse becomes more of an extension.
One of the main differences with turning acceleration off is that your mouse is slower. You have to work more, it feels heavier. This is logical because the acceleration doesn't help anymore in speeding up parts. You will always keep this but you will come to love it because of the aforementioned 1:1 ratio feeling.
However, what you can and probably should do is turn your overall sensitivity up to adjust for that loss. It will allow you to "settle" in faster. Once you are settled in you can start tweaking al the settings to get it perfect again.
What I would recommend is picking up one of your FPS games and just playing a lot. I think the FPS setting is more efficient to get the control going because you get a lot of reference points and thus feedback, from which you adapt faster. It's also nice because there is nothing to lose, but you can do customs just as easily to combat that should it be an issue.
For FPS, I believe one of the main methods to getting your mouse speed perfect is the following:
You pick a vertical line in the game, say a lighting pole or the edge of a wall. And then you aim on it. As you strafe left and right you will try to keep the aim on that line. The distance obviously is gonna influence this so it's probably best to pick one that is "medium" unless you want to have your aim be more suitable and stable for certain things. As you strafe you will notice that you are either, unable to keep the mouse on the line properly and it will drag behind or you will get a lot of twitching and very aggresive movements. In the first case your sensitivity is too low, in the second it's too high. Adjust in increments, rinse and repeat, triangulate a good sensitivity setting.
Play with it for a couple days, after which you will have become more capable of controlling the mouse. It becomes a lot easier and natural to do different moves because of this so it's time to go back to the test because it's very possible your "optimum" has no changed or you are able to squeeze out more precision by tweaking it further and more properly. Once you start to notice that the tweaks aren't doing a lot, or you are not sure if it's getting better or worse. Analyze between the two different settings. As mentioned earlier, it's very plausible that a decision needs to be made regarding a preference of focus on the settings of the sensitivity. After that, leave it for a very long time.
See how you are able to "skill up" with the new settings and if you are able to reach a new sort of comfort in the comming weeks. If you are able to establish that's the case, I would recommend leaving it because it's very tempting to fall victim to the mentality that it's the setting that will allow you to become better, when it can only hurt, it's up to you now. You decide your own fate, what will it be, blue pill or red pill?
I don't know how that style of adjusting will translate to starcraft but you do it with an FPS and then approach the same settings by trial and error in Starcraft.
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On April 15 2011 01:49 Jimmy Raynor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 01:46 War Horse wrote:On April 15 2011 01:45 Jimmy Raynor wrote:
I don't get it why do people think it is bad to use mouse acceleration. If you feel comfortable with it then use it. I doubt that if you have mouse acceleration on you get some kind of error whenever you try to reach more than 3350 points. its not really a big deal enhanced pointer precision is Ok, so if someone uses enhanced pointer precision and feels comfortable with it, people think it is somewhat of a disadvantage?
the reason it is considered a disadvantage is because the pointer moves faster/slower based on how fast you are moving the mouse. this causes the amount of movement it takes to close a certain distance inconsistent. which is terrible for muscle memory, since it will never be the same every time.
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On April 15 2011 04:10 Keldrath wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 01:49 Jimmy Raynor wrote:On April 15 2011 01:46 War Horse wrote:On April 15 2011 01:45 Jimmy Raynor wrote:
I don't get it why do people think it is bad to use mouse acceleration. If you feel comfortable with it then use it. I doubt that if you have mouse acceleration on you get some kind of error whenever you try to reach more than 3350 points. its not really a big deal enhanced pointer precision is Ok, so if someone uses enhanced pointer precision and feels comfortable with it, people think it is somewhat of a disadvantage? the reason it is considered a disadvantage is because the pointer moves faster/slower based on how fast you are moving the mouse. this causes the amount of movement it takes to close a certain distance inconsistent. which is terrible for muscle memory, since it will never be the same every time.
This sounds like it needs some proof. I have mouse accel enabled and have no problems at 150~ APM when microing small groups of marines.
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ive used acceleration for a long time in wc3 and sc2 beta and disabled it when beta ended. i havent noticed any improvement in my gameplay. I am about the same. go back to ur old settings no big deal.
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On April 15 2011 04:10 Keldrath wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 01:49 Jimmy Raynor wrote:On April 15 2011 01:46 War Horse wrote:On April 15 2011 01:45 Jimmy Raynor wrote:
I don't get it why do people think it is bad to use mouse acceleration. If you feel comfortable with it then use it. I doubt that if you have mouse acceleration on you get some kind of error whenever you try to reach more than 3350 points. its not really a big deal enhanced pointer precision is Ok, so if someone uses enhanced pointer precision and feels comfortable with it, people think it is somewhat of a disadvantage? the reason it is considered a disadvantage is because the pointer moves faster/slower based on how fast you are moving the mouse. this causes the amount of movement it takes to close a certain distance inconsistent. which is terrible for muscle memory, since it will never be the same every time.
pretty sure enhanced pointer thingy in sc2 has nothing to do with acceleration.
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I had the same thing for a while but once i got uses to it.....it was the best feeling ever. My micro improved dramatically and I could 1 rax marauder pressure toss so much easier when microing my marauders.
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On April 15 2011 05:16 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 04:10 Keldrath wrote:On April 15 2011 01:49 Jimmy Raynor wrote:On April 15 2011 01:46 War Horse wrote:On April 15 2011 01:45 Jimmy Raynor wrote:
I don't get it why do people think it is bad to use mouse acceleration. If you feel comfortable with it then use it. I doubt that if you have mouse acceleration on you get some kind of error whenever you try to reach more than 3350 points. its not really a big deal enhanced pointer precision is Ok, so if someone uses enhanced pointer precision and feels comfortable with it, people think it is somewhat of a disadvantage? the reason it is considered a disadvantage is because the pointer moves faster/slower based on how fast you are moving the mouse. this causes the amount of movement it takes to close a certain distance inconsistent. which is terrible for muscle memory, since it will never be the same every time. pretty sure enhanced pointer thingy in sc2 has nothing to do with acceleration.
It does.
Edit (one liners are bad)
Mouse accel is not a big disadvantage, several progamers in CS used it. It a small advantage to turn it off not a big one.
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You have to get used to it, that's all there is to it. I had mouse acceleration on before because that was the default in Windows for as long as I can remember up until about 4-5 months ago when I came across the thread on TL. It took me a lot longer to get used to it than I thought it would, but I'm totally used to it off now. I never had any problems in the past with it on in the past, and in fact I was pretty precise with my mouse. So my advice is use what works for you.
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Seems like your mouse is set too fast for you if its "flying all over the place". Turning acceleration off or on changes the way your cursor behaves, so the same DPI seems not to be optimum now. Open up a practice game, then alt tab and adjust your mouse settings until you can draw a box almost covering the screen with a comfortable amount of movement. Then play a lot and get super used to it.
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Oh, and draw several boxes in rapid succession to see if the mouse speed suits you (similar to progamer spam in the beginning of games). Thats how I adjust my mouse settings everytime I reformat or purchase a new one.
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Just like other said, play around with your mouse sensitivity. Disabling mouse acceleration was one of the best decision I ever made.
My mouse is currently at 2400 DPI so I have to turn sc2 ingame sensitivy to 26%.
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I just want to chime in and say that you need to keep pointer precision off, as well as use the mousefix to get rid of any mouse acceleration. I come from an FPS background where it is absolutely essential to be even close to good. It may feel strange for the first 100 games or so, but in the long run you will be benefited greatly. Nowadays I can't even use a mouse if it has any acceleration.
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On April 15 2011 06:02 Schwang wrote:
I just want to chime in and say that you need to keep pointer precision off, as well as use the mousefix to get rid of any mouse acceleration. I come from an FPS background where it is absolutely essential to be even close to good. It may feel strange for the first 100 games or so, but in the long run you will be benefited greatly. Nowadays I can't even use a mouse if it has any acceleration.
The mousefix. Can you recommend a program for this? Edit: found it
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you guys are all awesome. Ty for all your advice. Im gonna begin with turning down my sc2 in game senstivity from 51 percent. If thats not working ill mess around with the dpi... ill find something close to comfort and ill churn out games to make the settings my own
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It's a good idea to turn off mouse acceleration if you're trying to perfect your micro. While some people might argue you should just use acceleration if you're used to it, think of it this way, would you rather develop muscle memory so that moving your mouse x amount corresponds to x distance on the screen or develop it so you have to move the mouse x distance AND with y force in order to make it go x distance. Obviously there's a lot more room for error with acceleration and while getting used to mouse movements with acceleration off isn't going to suddenly shoot you up to the next division, for those aspiring to be as good as they can be it's a good idea.
Honestly it'll just take some getting used to but playing games that require mouse accuracy like osu will develop muscle memory faster so just keep working at it. Also, at the beginning of the games when there isn't anything to do (although i guess you could be doubling workers on close patches but that seems pretty insignificant imo) you can try starting your mouse at a point, say right below your nexus, and then move it and try to click exactly on a mineral patch and keep repeating. It's all about getting used to it and unfortunately that takes time.
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I don't agree with all the comments to lower your DPI before messing with the mouse settings in Windows. Higher DPI is much more accurate and precise than the artificial setting that Windows uses to adjust mouse sensitivity. I recommend finding a comfortable DPI that allows you to fine tune your sensitivity within the Windows framework, instead of choosing a low DPI arbitrarily.
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Hey QTIP I've been tweaking my settings a lot + laddering to see APM difference and if you want to test your mouse accuracy + speed, load up Minesweeper on Expert, try clicking each of the 4 corners as accurately and fast as you can, keep an eye on timer and start over if you run into a mine for irregularity.
I experimented with my settings and I found at worst I'll do it in 4 sec and at best in 2 sec, you also get a feel for how much you have to adjust your mouse when you overshoot a corner. And I tried a higher DPI but for some reasons that's always just makes my mouse fly all over the screen lol, however I think low acceleration (MX518) seems to work better for me than without.
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On April 15 2011 07:21 andrewasdf wrote:
I don't agree with all the comments to lower your DPI before messing with the mouse settings in Windows. Higher DPI is much more accurate and precise than the artificial setting that Windows uses to adjust mouse sensitivity. I recommend finding a comfortable DPI that allows you to fine tune your sensitivity within the Windows framework, instead of choosing a low DPI arbitrarily.
You have it backwards. To get a higher DPI you need a mouse with a more precise sensor but changing the DPI on a specific mouse doesn't affect precision at all, only the speed. At 6/11 in Windows you have 1:1 mapping between the mouse DPI and the screen pixels which is the optimal setting. Going higher than 6 means your pointer will skip pixels on the screen to increase the pointer speed which is bad, going below 6 means that Windows will ignore some of the inputs from the mouse to reduce the pointer speed, this is not a big deal but on certain settings it might give slightly inconsistent behaviour.
The best way to train your muscle memory is to play SC2 at the same resolution as your desktop, set Windows to 6/11 and SC2 to 51%. Then adjust the mouse DPI to your preferred speed. There are no shortcuts beyond that, just practice.
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Oh god. Whatever you do, please don't go back to using mouse accel. I do agree with "play with what's comfortable." but mouse accel is one thing that's completely unreliable and nothing GOOD can come out of using it >< I've played at the highest level of counterstrike (I'm sure you understand precision is pretty important in that game) and I can promise you I've NEVER seen a really good player that uses mouse accel. Ever.
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Typically a mouse with high DPI has a good sensor. The reason it changes speed is because it changes the number of pictures it takes per movement essentially. There is definitely validity to the 6/11 setting however I prefer fine tuning DPS before windows sensitivity.
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I turned off mouse accel a few weeks ago and adapted almost instantly. It's had a very positive impact on my gameplay, you just need to get the settings right. I play on a 1920x1080 monitor and have a razer deathadder. My settings are 6/11 windows sens, 5.5 mouse driver sens, 1800 DPI and 51% ingame sens. These settings seem to be perfect for me, with me being able to move my pointer quickly whilst being able to move it finely and accurately to aid gameplay. The trick is to just tamper with the settings on the mouse driver, and leave everything else standard Worked for me, but I suppose everyone's different.
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On April 15 2011 07:21 andrewasdf wrote:
I don't agree with all the comments to lower your DPI before messing with the mouse settings in Windows. Higher DPI is much more accurate and precise than the artificial setting that Windows uses to adjust mouse sensitivity. I recommend finding a comfortable DPI that allows you to fine tune your sensitivity within the Windows framework, instead of choosing a low DPI arbitrarily.
This is blatantly wrong - the best way is to adjust DPI, and keep Windows/SC settings the same (if you can). Windows should be 6/11 and SC should be 51-54% (its all the same, SC does it in intervals of 5). DPI is exactly what it sounds like - how many pixels an inch of movement represents. 6/11 on Windows and 51% on SC corresponds with an exact replication of the DPI settings in your computer. So if you have 600 DPI, move the mouse 1 inch, you will move 600 pixels. Changing the windows or SC settings disconnects these measurements - if you make windows slower, moving an inch in real life will correspond to less than 600 pixels, which DROPS some of the signals from your mouse. If you speed up the cursor in windows, an inch in real life is more than 600 pixels, which is more movement than reported by the mouse, which can create jitter and/or loss of precision.
If you want to change your mouse speed, change DPI because changing DPI changes just that. The number of pixels moved per inch moved on the mouse. Nothing is wasted, and precision is exactly 1 to 1, as long as acceleration is off.
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just adapt first in custom games. feel comfortable before you head off for ladder.
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On April 15 2011 04:38 artanis2 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 04:10 Keldrath wrote:On April 15 2011 01:49 Jimmy Raynor wrote:On April 15 2011 01:46 War Horse wrote:On April 15 2011 01:45 Jimmy Raynor wrote:
I don't get it why do people think it is bad to use mouse acceleration. If you feel comfortable with it then use it. I doubt that if you have mouse acceleration on you get some kind of error whenever you try to reach more than 3350 points. its not really a big deal enhanced pointer precision is Ok, so if someone uses enhanced pointer precision and feels comfortable with it, people think it is somewhat of a disadvantage? the reason it is considered a disadvantage is because the pointer moves faster/slower based on how fast you are moving the mouse. this causes the amount of movement it takes to close a certain distance inconsistent. which is terrible for muscle memory, since it will never be the same every time. This sounds like it needs some proof. I have mouse accel enabled and have no problems at 150~ APM when microing small groups of marines.
I'm not sure why you're arguing, because it's basicly the only thing mouse accelerations does. Increases your cursor speed depending certain tresholds of movement.
This is why it's always recommended to be off for every gamer, because you can't muscle memory something that's not constant, atleast not to the same extent.
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On April 15 2011 01:35 QTIP. wrote:
I've recently adjusted my mouse setting
per Cecil Shunkure's thread regarding
mouse acceleration.
I've turned it off in the Win7 registry, and
have disabled the 'enhance pointer
precision' setting as well. These changes
have been brutal on my gameplay... I'm
currently playing at 1600 DPI on my razer
imperator, with 51 % in game sensitivity.
It's been three days since I've changed but
I can't seem to get it down yet. T_T.
My mouse has been flying all over the
place, and its been extremely frustrating.
I'm a 3350 masters player from last
season, but now I'm regularly losing to
lower level players due to abysmal
control...
My forcefields miss regularly, I mismicro
my units, and every once in a while ill end up looking at a totally insignificant part of the map because of a sudden movement. I frequently
box too large or too small, and I mis-hotkey because I think I've selected when I
haven't. It's quite depressing and I have to
stay away from the ladder to avoid getting too frustrated.
Has anyone similar issues? If so, words of
tips/advice/encouragement would really be appreciated.
Thanks
errh.... lower the sensitivity % ingame or the DPI?
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I recently just turned mouse acceleration off. While it felt reallllly weird at first I have since gotten used to it and definitely feel like it has improved the consistency - and speed - of my movements at long distances. The improvent was slight but tangible and I never really noticed my inaccuracies before.
I would encourage you to stick with it, just go to your desktop and practice boxing icons and moving from corner to corner for half an hour for a couple days and you should adapt pretty quickly.
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On April 15 2011 08:26 kaztah wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 04:38 artanis2 wrote:On April 15 2011 04:10 Keldrath wrote:On April 15 2011 01:49 Jimmy Raynor wrote:On April 15 2011 01:46 War Horse wrote:On April 15 2011 01:45 Jimmy Raynor wrote:
I don't get it why do people think it is bad to use mouse acceleration. If you feel comfortable with it then use it. I doubt that if you have mouse acceleration on you get some kind of error whenever you try to reach more than 3350 points. its not really a big deal enhanced pointer precision is Ok, so if someone uses enhanced pointer precision and feels comfortable with it, people think it is somewhat of a disadvantage? the reason it is considered a disadvantage is because the pointer moves faster/slower based on how fast you are moving the mouse. this causes the amount of movement it takes to close a certain distance inconsistent. which is terrible for muscle memory, since it will never be the same every time. This sounds like it needs some proof. I have mouse accel enabled and have no problems at 150~ APM when microing small groups of marines. I'm not sure why you're arguing, because it's basicly the only thing mouse accelerations does. Increases your cursor speed depending certain tresholds of movement. This is why it's always recommended to be off for every gamer, because you can't muscle memory something that's not constant, atleast not to the same extent.
Nearly every top professional Quake player plays with some amount of mouse acceleration, some even massive amounts. I don't know whether the windows implementation of acceleration is any good, but acceleration is not an inherently terrible thing that can not be worked around. It's just a bit harder as you have to get used to not only the distance to move the mouse, but the speed to move it at as well.
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readjust your settings immediately. leave pointer precision off, but adjust the windows scroll speed and bnet away from 51%. honestly do whats best for you!
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i hate mouse acceleration... cant play with it
its totally preferential
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Mouse acceleration has always been a horrible feature; It's like when valve tried to add that crap into CS back in the days and everybody's cursor was always deviating away from where they wanted to shoot their damn guns.
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On April 15 2011 02:43 Bear4188 wrote:
Set the dpi to whatever allows you to reach all four corners of the screen with the amount of movement that's comfortable to you.
That's all there is to it really.
If you want to be accurate, you can play the multitude games that's been pointed out on teamliquid.net such a ozu, missionred or minesweeper (lol ? Didn't think that would help you but meh :p) the EPP, accelration and everything is just a matter of preference. some argue that sometimes they're not accurate, but you could've get used to it aswell so whatever.
Regards 
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Why are you using someone else's settings if they make you play terribly? Just play with what you're used to, it doesn't really matter in sc2 like it would in cs:s.
Playing mouse precision flash games won't make you better. There are a few pros that still use the microsoft optical intellimouse which probably has a default dpi of 450.
Do you actually think most really good players obsess over mouse settings? Just play with what you're comfortable with and focus on improving your gameplay  .
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Change the sensitivity settings around a bit if necessary, to help gradually accustom yourself to playing with a higher sensitivity, but don't go back to mouse acceleration.
I'm surprised that you're having problems with it being overly sensitive since turning off acceleration, since the opposite should be the case.
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When I switched from acceleration to no acceleration, I didn't have much issues nor did I notice an improvement.
I recommend if you turn off acceleration that you increase DPI/sensitivity more to compensate.
Acceleration is a pretty good way of increasing sensitivity of a mouse when your DPI is already caped and are already running (or don't want to run lower) at low resolution.
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Who said mouse acceleration is better? Seriously.. play with what your comfortable..
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how on earth did you format your thread like that?
why the FUCK is anyone taking you seriously?
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If your mouse is flying all over the screen you should turn down your sensitivity in game or lower your dpi until it feels at least similar to before. Then you can start to get used to having no acceleration at a sensitivity close to what it used to be.
I have been trying to lower my dpi over time, mostly playing fps, to increase my accuracy. Right now I feel that I am in a good spot for accuracy. In sc2 I run with the sensitivity slider as low as it goes at 800 dpi with my Roccat Kone+ on a Steelseries QcK Heavy mouse pad.
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go to missionred.com (i mayby misspelled it)
It is a site where you can train your mouse skilzz, it helps alot. atleast worked for mee
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On April 15 2011 11:00 FuzZyLogic wrote:Why are you using someone else's settings if they make you play terribly? Just play with what you're used to, it doesn't really matter in sc2 like it would in cs:s. Playing mouse precision flash games won't make you better. There are a few pros that still use the microsoft optical intellimouse which probably has a default dpi of 450. Do you actually think most really good players obsess over mouse settings? Just play with what you're comfortable with and focus on improving your gameplay .
There's a reason people don't use mouse accel, anyone who has played a fps competitively knows the reasoning and have tested it, why not take a few days to get used to something that in general will make you better?
Also micro is precision, so it very much so does matter in sc2 as much as it does in cs:s.
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Most high level sc2 players make hundreds of unnecessary clicks every minute, there doesn't seem to be much precision involved.
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On April 15 2011 13:22 Vei wrote:
how on earth did you format your thread like that?
why the FUCK is anyone taking you seriously?
he already explained that troll now go troll someone else
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On April 15 2011 01:45 Arkless wrote:
Set ur windows sensitivity to 6/11 and in game to any setting u wish as long as it isnt divisible by 5. I use my death adder on 3500 dpi, and at 61% in game and my mouse goes and clicks where I want it. I never did any of the mouse acceleration shit buddy did because if you have a mouse with it's own drivers and firmware, your mouse's polling rate in the firmware should override it anyways.
Can someone elaborate why you don't want the in game sensitivity divisble by 5? Mine is at 75% right now...
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hey guys, just wanted to give a quick update.
I've lowered my dpi to 1200 and its been much more comfortable. I played maybe a solid two hours of mouse accuracy + custom/koth's and its helped a ton. Thanks for your help, I can actually start playing my 'game' again and focus on improving without iceskating all over the map. It's beginning to feel more like an 'extension' of my hand motions, which i think is its greatest benefit...
Sorry for the formatting, my phone's browser is being retarded, wasn't trying to write a haiku lol..
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If you have 1600 DPI I'd say that that's way too much if you use the max settings. Use the mouse's drivers to tune the DPI down a bit. My mouse is 1800DPI and I only use it at about 6/10.
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On April 15 2011 01:49 TURKISHRAMBO wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 01:43 Misanthrope wrote:What is your resolution? 1600 dpi is a lot, I play on 1600x1200 with 450, so you may want to try out a lower dpi to increase accuracy. I suggest playing "Osu!". It is a fun rhythm game that depends heavily on mouse accuracy. After being able to make it through one track on the easiest difficulty, move up. Do this again and again. If you spend a few days playing like this, your body and brain will be forced to figure out your new mouse setup. Don't listen to this guy: On April 15 2011 01:40 Bagi wrote:
My only advice is not to listen to these "optimal settings" and instead use whatever feels the most natural to you.
You will adapt, quicker than you think with practice. Once you do, it will be a world of difference. It's like laddering to Masters doing only 4 gate, then trying out different builds. It takes a while, but once you figure it out it's much more rewarding. glhf. 450? wow. 1600 is NOT alot. i would say its very normal for most fps/rts players. nobody is saying you SHOULDN'T use acceleration. If you need it then play with it! Its all personal preference and nobody can tell you other wise. Play with what you are comfortable with.
Actually, a lot of people are saying you SHOULDN'T use acceleration. Thats the entire point of disabling it, it causes your mouse to move at variable speeds which you cannot account for, no matter how "used to" it you are, and thus you will be less accurate with your clicks.
And to OP, you said your mouse is "flying all over the place." Sounds like you havent actually accomplished what you think you did. When you disable acceleration your mouse should seem slower. If you did disable acceleration, you probably ramped up your sensetivity or something.
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On April 15 2011 01:45 Arkless wrote:
Set ur windows sensitivity to 6/11 and in game to any setting u wish as long as it isnt divisible by 5. I use my death adder on 3500 dpi, and at 61% in game and my mouse goes and clicks where I want it. I never did any of the mouse acceleration shit buddy did because if you have a mouse with it's own drivers and firmware, your mouse's polling rate in the firmware should override it anyways.
what a surgeon
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holy crap. im some sort of machine apparently because i play with 2200 dpi on 100% sensitivity. i dont know how you guys play with like 600 and lower sensitivity
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On April 16 2011 01:22 pfods wrote:
holy crap. im some sort of machine apparently because i play with 2200 dpi on 100% sensitivity. i dont know how you guys play with like 600 and lower sensitivity
So basically you move your mouse in one square centimeter the entire game? That's not even good for you.
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Removing mouse acceleration? good move.
All it takes is some time to get used to and practise. I mean you probably spend a good amount of your time on default settings and now you're adjusting to the new changes.
It's like using a 17 inch screen to a 25 inch, a wooden bat to a steel bat. Radical changes and it takes time to adjust.
Sure somethings can be learned really quickly but things like this,
It takes time to learn and readjust.
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I actually find that turning off acceleration GREATLY improved my control OP. Took a minute to get used to but I feel so much more in control now.
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On April 16 2011 01:28 Treemonkeys wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 01:22 pfods wrote:
holy crap. im some sort of machine apparently because i play with 2200 dpi on 100% sensitivity. i dont know how you guys play with like 600 and lower sensitivity So basically you move your mouse in one square centimeter the entire game? That's not even good for you.
not good for me? is it increasing my LDL or something?
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I suppose as long as you are relaxed with your mouse hand it wouldn't be any different than playing guitar.
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I tried removing acceleration, or mouse precision as win7 calls it.
I put the win mouse speed to 6/11
A few issues I'm wondering about:
The mouse speed felt so damn slow all of the sudden, that I had to boost the ingame mouse speed a lot. This felt fairly nice in the mainscreen, but turned out to be WAY to much on the minimap.
So removing acceleration seems to be a problem in mainscreen vs minimap.
Any similar experiences/advice?
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I agree that you should play with what you are most comfortable with although I turn off all acceleration because I want to be very consistent with where my mouse pointer will be with the same movement/travel distance of the actual mouse instead of the rate that I move the mouse.
What was your DPI before? What is comfortable for one person will not be the same for the other. You mentioned the mouse going all over the place then lower the DPI. I suggest working your way up the DPI scale until you get to the one you like.
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On April 16 2011 01:02 QTIP. wrote:
hey guys, just wanted to give a quick update.
I've lowered my dpi to 1200 and its been much more comfortable. I played maybe a solid two hours of mouse accuracy + custom/koth's and its helped a ton. Thanks for your help, I can actually start playing my 'game' again and focus on improving without iceskating all over the map. It's beginning to feel more like an 'extension' of my hand motions, which i think is its greatest benefit...
Sorry for the formatting, my phone's browser is being retarded, wasn't trying to write a haiku lol..
nice, sorry didn't read this before posting my reply, but ya I think sticking with no acceleration is good and just play with DPI will give the most consistant gaming/accuracy results.
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Idk man, i use 3500 DPI and 65% sensitivity :/
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On May 04 2011 23:49 gronnelg wrote:
I tried removing acceleration, or mouse precision as win7 calls it.
I put the win mouse speed to 6/11
A few issues I'm wondering about:
The mouse speed felt so damn slow all of the sudden, that I had to boost the ingame mouse speed a lot. This felt fairly nice in the mainscreen, but turned out to be WAY to much on the minimap.
So removing acceleration seems to be a problem in mainscreen vs minimap.
Any similar experiences/advice?
I would not boost the ingame speed of the mouse, it would be better to increase the DPI on the mouse (assuming you have one that you can). I am not sure but if you do a software increase then it would be harder to select things that are closer together like on the minimap.
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for me i am using razer deathadder 3500dpi and 53% on sc2 and did the same thing you did with win7 and mouse acceleration i did have it one before but now it is just perfect one way i got used to using this setup really fast is just to do some mouse clicking games such as osu! this really helped me plus just trying to adapt was hard at first but you just gotta keep at it if you want to use the settings you want
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I'm having a really hard time with lateral movement without accerleration.
Up and down is fair enough, but sideways is WAY to slow as the distances can be greater. Is there a way to make the sensitivity higher only on sideway movement?
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When you turn off the mouse acceleration, you have to turn down your in game mouse speed by at least 10% I think I went from 72% to 53% when I turned it off. Micro is so much easier for me with mouse acceleration off
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I recently took off mouse acceleration as well. I had to actually up my DPI to get the same sensitivity feel. It took me a solid 5 games of over deliberate clicking before I got used to how true mouse movement works, but now I feel much more accurate, and also because of no acceleration, my hand doesn't slowly drift to one side of the mosuepad, and there's not picking up and resetting the mouse. really nice.
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The key is to slowly increase your dpi, I started at 2000 and now play at 4000 comfortably
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CPL mousefix from back in the old days :D I cant actually use a computer without having the anti acceleration reg fix lol...
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