EPTTips you would give to help improve the NASL - Page 69
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TrainFX
United States469 Posts
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Sky Net
United States134 Posts
Casting: The casting is great at times, terrible at other times... Both casters understand the game well, which I think is important -- I like to feel confident that the caster know's what he/she's talking about and I get that with these casters. But there are some major problems as well. Incontrol comes off as overly self-conscious / sensitive. When a musician misses a note they don't say "Oh sorry!" in the middle of a performance (hopefully that makes sense). Also it's weird having someone both playing in and casting for the same tournament. Gretorp trips over his words too much and uses some strange/awkward sounding sentences. I do < 3 you guys (Incontrol and Gretorp), sorry. I even prefer these casters over some of the IGN casters such as TotalBiscuit, HD, and Catzpajamas, but for a league with a prize pool so big I would make an effort to get the best casters possible for season 2 at the latest, because right now it's just not working well enough. Studio: I don't see why having a desk is necessary for games that are being played online. It feels almost like trying too hard or something. TSL and IPL are doing fine without any live shots of the commentators. Dreamhack and GSL have live shots of both players, casters and audience so the desk set up makes much more sense in those environments. Editing: Obv. needs improvement. Random music seems to pop in and out at random times (rap at the same time as the commentators talking seemed particularly out of place). Abrupt transitions between games. Audio balance problems. Etc. Overall: Great line up of players, cool format and nice prize pool will keep me watching probably at least a game per day. Everything else needs work. | ||
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tl012345
Bangladesh5 Posts
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Fries
United States124 Posts
I have really enjoyed the games I've seen this week. Things have been much smoother for me, so I feel like things are moving in the right direction. Audio still needs work, obviously. | ||
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Sky Net
United States134 Posts
On April 24 2011 00:41 tl012345 wrote: Nasl needs to get organized and pay better attention to scheduling. ipl destroyed them with much higher viewer count. It's worth pointing out that IPL has more newness factor and each match is more crucial in terms of determining who wins the tournament so it's not really a fair comparison at this point. NASL will have a higher viewer count overall considering there are more games. | ||
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Kuni
Austria765 Posts
1. a lot of really great games due to the extremely hq lineup, apart from artosis :-P, 2. average casting, there are way to many excuses for small mistakes from incontrol. it interrupts the cast quite heavily, and gretorp reminds me of the friendly neighbor from next door. 3. a very, very poor production quality. inexcusable. also seems a bit arrogant to disregard the pre-show critiques by saying to just tune in in 30 minutes. to be blunt, it sucks hardcore, that theres a boring 30 minute pre-show, but no break inbetween the games. small previews of each game, containing information from the current pre-shows and reducing said one to a few minutes ist not only more professional, but also a lot more comfortable for the viewer. | ||
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Dawski
Canada435 Posts
On April 24 2011 02:12 Kuni wrote: In the past 2 Weeks of NASL now, we have seen: 1. a lot of really great games due to the extremely hq lineup, apart from artosis :-P, ya because having build advantages then losing to mis-micro in a PvP vs kiwikaki sure is terrible play after recently switching to protoss :-P and not to mention FXOsheth is an absolute beast and artosis kept himself in those games for quite awhile | ||
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contraSol
United States185 Posts
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babolatt
Canada312 Posts
Other than that, the video quality is fantastic. The casting isn't my favourite, but it doesn't detract from the matches which is fine. If I had one quick constructive comment about the casting would be that Geoff needs to stop talking once in awhile. When Gretorp is talking, Geoff is always in the background going "OH"... "STALKERS" etc, you can tell he wants to talk. This is a pretty minor complaint even though I realize talking about it makes it sound worse than it is. Likely this stuff will get better over time. EDIT: I mean the quality of the VODs, I havent watched the stream. Also i agree the framerate is annoying but I thought it was just my laptop having a hard time handling 1080p. If it's not, the framerate is definitely the worst part. | ||
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DX_4
Germany180 Posts
On April 24 2011 08:28 babolatt wrote: The sound is my biggest complaint. The casters go from too quiet to WAYYY WAYY to loud over and over, clipping when they get really excited. Having to babysit the volume button is pretty annoying too. Have to agree with that, at the moment (Day 2-4) the sound is still off. It barely fluctuates anymore, but whilst the caster's voices are on both channels the music + ingame sounds are limited to one channel. Makes for a rather irritating audio experience. On a more positive note, pretty much everything else has improved greatly, be it stream quality / stability or casting. Not that all stream issues were to blame on NASL to begin with, as justin.tv was having issues on it's own. Choppy stream is a thing of the past for the majority of the broadcast time (occasional hicups do happen) and despite getting a lot of unjustified criticism at the start of NASL incontrol and gretorp have grown by a huge margin as casting team and stepped up their casting considerably. Sound problems excluded, NASL has constantly improved since the start and has been fantastic to watch. | ||
SYNC_qx
Germany197 Posts
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DX_4
Germany180 Posts
On April 24 2011 11:44 SYNC_qx wrote: I am not trying to be mean but i see an uninformed incontrol who can't even pronounce some european players name right and maps where you spawn close position... Close positions are a legitimate concern, pronounciation is a minor issue though (at least in my opinion). | ||
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Strategos
Canada132 Posts
2. get some new casters. personally not a big fan of either gretorp or incontrol, i can see how someone can justify keeping in control as he started it etc. but get rid of gretorp. best situation scenario get rid of both they are aweful casters, no hard feelings and no offense. 3. Learn from IPL, now THAT is a well run tournament. | ||
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babolatt
Canada312 Posts
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Paradice
New Zealand431 Posts
Gretorp... well. I really want to like Gretorp, and I don't have a problem with his casting in-game. It's in-between games where it gets awkward/painful for me. He never seems to know what to say, and he doesn't pick up and run with anything incontrol says - e.g (just watching live now) Inc has some great spot humor ("the only good bug is a dead bug", "pexels are what's on my chest") but Gretorp's response is usually just "What? What? What? No. Anyway...". So painful! | ||
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Shadow Sylph
United States98 Posts
That being said, my only qualm about NASL is professionalism. I can forgive technical issues, and match schedule mishaps, editing problems and sound issues. Those are all pretty standard things when working with a new studio and a new league. I am actually pretty impressed with how NASL is dealing with those issues and their professionalism with fixing and addressing the spectators concerns. But back to my main point and to Paradices post before mine, between matches after and before there is a LOT of non sc/sc2/NASL related conversation. Gretorps reciting of the "M" states comes to mind. Now I also understand the studio is new and InControl and Gretorp are under a lot of pressure but I don't think these situations even need to arise. Just make the breaks between games a little shorter, and stay focused on the games. Jokes and funny jabs will always have their place in casting of course, but stay more on the topic of the matches. Less trying to awkwardly fill silence. A great example is Artosis and Tasteless.[Not to compare in any sense, they have been doing this for a long time] Often they have little rambling things/stories/jokes, but for the most part its sc/sc2 related jokes, or some background information joke on a player (i.e. Fruitdealer dealin his fruit) I feel that there is a rather clear line of professionalism in casting between funny jokes and discussion/jokes that is not about the league/players/games. Good job though guys, impressed with how its going so far being essentially built from the ground up. EDIT: oGs.Mc throws a chalice filled with the blood of a thousand innocents. I don't find this professional, funny, or appropriate for some of the viewers that I am sure watch. | ||
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
Also the game music during games is too loud. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13983 Posts
On April 24 2011 00:41 tl012345 wrote: Nasl needs to get organized and pay better attention to scheduling. ipl destroyed them with much higher viewer count. actualy they didn't once to take into the Eu restream and that build up time from when it starts to when it gets around its peak NASL gets higher views then IPL. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13983 Posts
On April 24 2011 05:43 contraSol wrote: IMO there's too much commentary between games/matches. I know NASL is trying to develop "story lines" for players, but it's a bit too much. Maybe a happy medium between that and IGN's 3-second delays between games? well I think its good for inc and gretorp to talk a bit about the match expecaly if it went really long or got crazy I really don't like IPL's stat screen that doesn't make any difference to me and then go into the next match no matter what just happened. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13983 Posts
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