EPTTips you would give to help improve the NASL - Page 68
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Butterz
688 Posts
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Authweight
United States304 Posts
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trancey
United States430 Posts
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phil.ipp
Austria1067 Posts
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Bobgrimly
New Zealand250 Posts
Watch A sport. Action is captured and replayed (even if the live game is continuing) and analysed even if only for a few seconds. What does this do? Draws out the exciting parts and helps make it less tedious. Every game has boring parts and exciting parts. Every sports program I have ever watched hides the boring "resetting of positions and basic generic play" by analysing the ACTION that led up to the required reset. They draw out the action to keep you interested and HYPED. NASL should watch a sports match. Then apply the same logic to how they cast games. CAST FROM REPLAYS till the actual final LIVE tournament. The round robins are great and I love them. But there are so many that you have to fight the one thing entertainers will always have to fight. A BORED AUDIENCE. Cast from a replay. They have two screens... one could rewind after an action packed battle and reshow the interesting parts, positions/micro etc and then catch up to the other screen which would have effectively skipped some of the boring rallying and remacroing in their base before either side decides to push out again. This is the ebb and flow of a STARCRAFT game. There are plenty of times to just ignore whats happening as NOTHING is happening that is exciting or interesting or noteworthy. (player A is rebuilding his army.... yay... funnily enough player B is doing the same thing. Takes two extra seconds to note an interesting composition change) Yet that last harrass/defence/timing attack/large scale battle is something I wouldn't mind seeing again. This way the casters can analyse the interesting stuff and fill the game time with all the interesting stuff. An unseen editor could be watching a third replay and communicate to them about coming back to the current game time so they don't miss anything... you know... like how it happens in sports. It doesn't draw out the game time longer than it actually took to play.Simply makes the game feel more action packed. I know hardcore players/fans might like to see every nitty gritty detail. But guess what. For a sport to succeed the minority (hardcore fans) have to accept that a little flair/hype is good for a games interest to a larger audience. I know player A and B are going to macro. I know they are going to build an army. I don't need to see it ALL the time unless there is something unusual or interesting about it. And noting a build order/sim city only takes a few seconds to discuss and then move on. The biggest problem all esports has right now is no one is casting it like a sport. No one is taking the action and making it MORE than it is. Thats what sports do to hype a game. They focus on the ACTION even replaying it while a live game is continuing. And after a game they SHOW the highlights. I have no problem with discussing strategies and tactics. I love that. But not taking advantage of the replay abilities is foolish. Live casting and broadcasting later is a waste of the possibilities for making starcraft an INTERESTING ESPORT (because you can't rewind in a live game) to more than just a hardcore fan. Live games are only good to a live AUDIENCE. If the audience is not live you don't need to cast it live. Someone who is completely new to starcraft can still appreciate the basics and important game winning decisions if a caster is emphasizing them. The caster/commentators job is to show the factors that led to the final result. (while macroing up an army is an important part, it is the least interesting and very rarely main deciding factor as all pros can macro just fine... a league like the NASL isn't a training vid) So that means showing and reshowing the harass/defence/timing pushes/large battles/mass expands etc... you know lights, camera, ACTION. TL:DR REPLAY the ACTION during and after the game when nothing else is happening. Its what I watch the games for. Generic non hardcore player but lover of starcraft as a SPORT! | ||
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Schnullerbacke13
Germany1199 Posts
Maybe get a quote of each player before a fight ("i am gonna six pool .. "). Watch how a boxing or wrestling is presented maybe copy some stuff from there .. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
The players would have a larger window of time to play their games, and the broadcast team would no longer have to wait around for players to show up to begin casting games. If replays are sent late, they can just move on to casting the next set of replays, or delay the broadcast of a match for a day or two. This would potentially streamline their pipeline and give more time for the editing team to do their jobs effectively. If necessary, they can rearrange matches, such as show a Division 5 game on a Division 2 day. They could continue to penalize players for being late, but also reward players that submit games ahead of time. Casting from replays would also make it easier for them to bring in guest casters. Because the NASL broadcasts are recordings of casts anyways, there is very little benefit to live casting the Divisional play at all. It appears that the IPL games are cast from replays, which gives them time to add more graphics and embellishment. If their games are live casted, I can't tell. Husky, HD and Day 9 have hundreds and thousands of subscribers and no one gives two shits about the games being replays. They just care that they're good games that are commentated well. What I find kind of amusing is that all the people here on TL that were originally pissing and moaning about NASL not broadcasting 'live' like the GSL are probably the same people that are fawning over IPL. It just goes to show that while public opinion is important, you can't let public opinion dictate what's best for your business. The average person does not truly understand why they like something. | ||
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heligebob
Sweden16 Posts
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On April 23 2011 19:26 heligebob wrote: The reason people are upset that it isn't live is because they said it would be at the start. They used the word LIVE in big letters everywhere to the point of confusion about what was acctually live, since, you know, none of it is live. The casting is live i guess. But they didnt say livecasting. They said LIVE, and then pretended to be confused that people didnt get that they were casting the games live, to air them later, which has nothing to do with 'live'. It's an utterly pointless way of doing things and complicates the processes of production, scheduling etc tremendously. I agree, the way they used the word 'Live' was confusing for the average person. | ||
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Olsson
Sweden931 Posts
2. Co-casters not alone casters! 3. Get day9!!  | ||
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gulden
Germany205 Posts
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BasilPesto
Australia624 Posts
On April 23 2011 16:29 Butterz wrote: I dont like Gretorp as a caster. Period . Personal opinion. Right... let's have personal biases skew our personal opinions (as opposed to collective opinions I suppose). | ||
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TALegion
United States1187 Posts
On April 23 2011 16:29 Butterz wrote: I dont like Gretorp as a caster. Period . Personal opinion. Odd. I was gonna suggest, "Higher penalty for the retards who just make fun of Gretorp the entire time." | ||
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CursedRich
United Kingdom737 Posts
On April 23 2011 19:52 Olsson wrote: 1. The results have been spoiled unfortunately. I think you know it yourself but tighter security. Personally I think that live games are more interesting to watch than a commented replay. 2. Co-casters not alone casters! 3. Get day9!! Wrong league, did you mean to post in the IPL? | ||
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Rannasha
Netherlands2398 Posts
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GrazerRinge
999 Posts
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schlarp
7 Posts
- Audio: so bad and overcompressed, very annoying mouse clicking / twisting sounds, bad sound mix. - Visuals: I think the caster's stage doesn't look very good, its like watching black and white television from russia. Colors ingame dont look juicy, general graphics problems. - Casters: Don't flame me for this please. I don't have time to follow the starcraft scene very closely and i don't know who they are. The just seem like college guys deciding that theyre are now casters without anyone asking (e.g. instead growing a fanbase organically via youtube/etc.). I think known, good casters are very important for people like me. - Lag issues and other small stuff. - Boring fillers between games. Don't show me stuff i could watch on youtube on my own. Not that important but the first upset i had ever had with NASL was with the ridiculously overhyped "big announcement" and the idra showmatch before. I watched it live and waited for it and all i got was a 3 minute trailer and the show is over ? | ||
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Grease
United States138 Posts
Also for NASL doing a live production and having 48 hours to edit the video quality is great for the time they have to make everything run smoothly compared to IGNs league who has what a week of editing. I think overall NASL will be the premier league in the USA after they clear up all the hiccups. GSL had its flaws and now has gotten their stuff together. NASL will do the same and the criticism they are receiving will only make the team of NASL strive for perfection when it comes to giving the Starcraft2 community top quality games and production. And remember we still havent even gotten half way through the season and the boxer/sen games were AMAZING. maybe best series of the season so far! | ||
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latan
740 Posts
A daily 3+ hour show is kinda tiring and one loses interest. what would be cooler would be if the games were cast live-ish at different hours different days, and your site acted as an aggregator of all the VODs, results and highlights, and if you still insist on it you could produce a weekly show of analysis, commenting weekly highlights, showing of the best micro of the week and stuff like that, commenting on future scenarios for the league, interviews and whatnot. you could put most of you content producing energy on this weekly show and deliver a top notch product. and the rest of your time would go to the logistics of the event. coordinating players, casters, time schedules, etc. | ||
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
On April 23 2011 21:46 GrazerRinge wrote: i recommend to watch IPL and screddit invitational tournament. The player lineup isn't good enough to warrant switching from the NASL, imo. The IPL needs EU/KR players and a bigger prize pool to achieve legitimacy as a big tournament. NASL could be absolute shit as a production and I'd still watch it because of the insane player lineup and amount of quality games. :D Thankfully, it's not shit. It's not perfect either, though. Honestly, my biggest problem at the moment is the weak-sounding audio. I'm a complete layman so I don't know the technical reasons behind this (or whether the problem lies with the equipment, the recording or the encoding), but listening to the GSL or IPL casters gives a much clearer, crisper audio. Get the NASL audio on that level, please. | ||
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