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Kresnik02
Profile Joined April 2011
Brazil36 Posts
April 19 2011 14:58 GMT
#1161
Well, im not going to point stuff about the stream, everyone is talking about the key points.

Im going to show the main reason im not going to buy the season ticket:
[image loading]
I understand the bad layout, i understand the really bad organization, but... Stretched picures? I can fix this kind of stuff using paint!
Plus the lack of padronization, they have a lot of really strict rules about how players should apply for the league, not even one about the picture? Just ask for an 3x4 picture with white background.

This is really amateur.
My english is really bad, sorry about that.
Executor1
Profile Joined April 2011
1353 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-19 15:04:59
April 19 2011 15:03 GMT
#1162
On April 19 2011 23:58 Kresnik02 wrote:
Well, im not going to point stuff about the stream, everyone is talking about the key points.

Im going to show the main reason im not going to buy the season ticket:
[image loading]
I understand the bad layout, i understand the really bad organization, but... Stretched picures? I can fix this kind of stuff using paint!
Plus the lack of padronization, they have a lot of really strict rules about how players should apply for the league, not even one about the picture? Just ask for an 3x4 picture with white background.

This is really amateur.

Wow that is pretty bad, i think this mistake got overshadowed by all the other massive mistakes for me. For a league that places so much on players and story lines they sure now how to display their players

Unfortunately i already payed for my hd pass before the league came out, the people making the league put so much hype behind it and seemed so confident i was sure it must be worth supporting or checking out
TimeSpiral
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1010 Posts
April 19 2011 15:04 GMT
#1163
On April 19 2011 23:58 Kresnik02 wrote:
Well, im not going to point stuff about the stream, everyone is talking about the key points.

Im going to show the main reason im not going to buy the season ticket:
[image loading]
I understand the bad layout, i understand the really bad organization, but... Stretched picures? I can fix this kind of stuff using paint!
Plus the lack of padronization, they have a lot of really strict rules about how players should apply for the league, not even one about the picture? Just ask for an 3x4 picture with white background.

This is really amateur.


Standardized portraits is a wonderful suggestion.

In the absence of such source material, they could have one of their Photoshop guys grab these photos and mask them out (and re-size them to ratio), and impose a blank background (black). Maybe I'll work something out and post it.
[G] Positioning, Formations, and Tactics: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=187892
OPman
Profile Joined December 2010
United States131 Posts
April 19 2011 15:07 GMT
#1164
The biggest concern for me (and I'm sure a lot of other people) is the choppiness. It's baffling how it has gone unchanged. It looks like an encoding issue so upgrade your PC, change the program your using, mess with processor affinity, just for the love of ESPORTS (lul) DO SOMETHING!

The casters table is fine. I don't think big shiny lights like they have in the GSL are necessary, it looks fine as is.

I also think Gretorp and iNcontrol are doing a fine job casting. People are giving Gretorp shit because he's not enthusiastic enough, and other people are saying his excitement sounds fake.... Gretorp if you read this just act natural ffs, you're doing fine.

Also I'd really like them to address some of the issues they've been having. Some transparency would go a long way. I'm curious to hear what iNcontrol has to say tonight on SOTG.
Ph'nglui Mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.
OPman
Profile Joined December 2010
United States131 Posts
April 19 2011 15:10 GMT
#1165
On April 19 2011 23:58 Kresnik02 wrote:
Im going to show the main reason im not going to buy the season ticket:
[image loading]
I understand the bad layout, i understand the really bad organization, but... Stretched picures? I can fix this kind of stuff using paint!
Plus the lack of padronization, they have a lot of really strict rules about how players should apply for the league, not even one about the picture? Just ask for an 3x4 picture with white background.

This is really amateur.


Really??

You've got some strange priorities. I'm sure it's hard to have people to provide a picture, but a picture of Boxer??? Maybe they're trying to avoid copyright issues or something.
Ph'nglui Mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
April 19 2011 15:18 GMT
#1166
On April 19 2011 23:58 Kresnik02 wrote:
Well, im not going to point stuff about the stream, everyone is talking about the key points.

Im going to show the main reason im not going to buy the season ticket:
[image loading]
I understand the bad layout, i understand the really bad organization, but... Stretched picures? I can fix this kind of stuff using paint!
Plus the lack of padronization, they have a lot of really strict rules about how players should apply for the league, not even one about the picture? Just ask for an 3x4 picture with white background.

This is really amateur.

WTF have they done with boxer O_O
that sure is...interesting.
Kresnik02
Profile Joined April 2011
Brazil36 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-19 15:26:45
April 19 2011 15:20 GMT
#1167
On April 20 2011 00:10 OPman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2011 23:58 Kresnik02 wrote:
Im going to show the main reason im not going to buy the season ticket:
[image loading]
I understand the bad layout, i understand the really bad organization, but... Stretched picures? I can fix this kind of stuff using paint!
Plus the lack of padronization, they have a lot of really strict rules about how players should apply for the league, not even one about the picture? Just ask for an 3x4 picture with white background.

This is really amateur.


Really??

You've got some strange priorities. I'm sure it's hard to have people to provide a picture, but a picture of Boxer??? Maybe they're trying to avoid copyright issues or something.

One picture?
http://nasl.tv/Players
10 picures.

And yes, for me, that shows how much they invested on this league. 400k prize pool for 3 seasons and (talking about prices on Brazil) cant spend 2k on the website? Or request good pictures to the players?

Sure, all of the stream problem, the complaints about spoilers are big things, but i believe its "excusable" because they are big! This is so small and easy to be done right and they manage to make this shitty?
My english is really bad, sorry about that.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
April 19 2011 15:32 GMT
#1168
On April 20 2011 00:07 OPman wrote:
The biggest concern for me (and I'm sure a lot of other people) is the choppiness. It's baffling how it has gone unchanged. It looks like an encoding issue so upgrade your PC, change the program your using, mess with processor affinity, just for the love of ESPORTS (lul) DO SOMETHING!

The casters table is fine. I don't think big shiny lights like they have in the GSL are necessary, it looks fine as is.

I also think Gretorp and iNcontrol are doing a fine job casting. People are giving Gretorp shit because he's not enthusiastic enough, and other people are saying his excitement sounds fake.... Gretorp if you read this just act natural ffs, you're doing fine.

Also I'd really like them to address some of the issues they've been having. Some transparency would go a long way. I'm curious to hear what iNcontrol has to say tonight on SOTG.


While it hasn't been in this thread, iNc regularly commented during the live report threads, especially this last one. Searching up his post history may give you a lot of insight about his position on things. It's a shame he isn't willing to compile it all into one thread, but then again that's sort of what this thread is for.
NoahNickels
Profile Joined March 2011
United States102 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-19 17:49:04
April 19 2011 17:46 GMT
#1169
That image of boxer is a disgrace to anyone who uses photoshop for a living. We know how super, super, super simple it is to crop an image to the correct dimensions. I'm sure its a case of the web designer sticking it in without first changing the dimensions and then the CSS twists the image up, No way a graphic designer would allow that, even a bad one. But all it takes is a simple glance at the page before you go live to see, oh wait, that's a huge disaster, i better ask someone to see if this can be fixed? but they didn't. they're too busy, well they won't be too busy when this league collapses.

I stand corrected.. someone did alter this image on purpose... dear lord, step into my office...

http://nasl.tv/Public/Images/Players/Small/boxer1.jpg
"One of God's own prototypes. Some kind of high-powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die."
bonifaceviii
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2890 Posts
April 19 2011 17:55 GMT
#1170
On April 20 2011 02:46 NoahNickels wrote:
I stand corrected.. someone did alter this image on purpose... dear lord, step into my office...

http://nasl.tv/Public/Images/Players/Small/boxer1.jpg

LOL

That's some classy work there
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TimeSpiral
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1010 Posts
April 19 2011 18:17 GMT
#1171
On April 20 2011 02:46 NoahNickels wrote:
That image of boxer is a disgrace to anyone who uses photoshop for a living. We know how super, super, super simple it is to crop an image to the correct dimensions. I'm sure its a case of the web designer sticking it in without first changing the dimensions and then the CSS twists the image up, No way a graphic designer would allow that, even a bad one. But all it takes is a simple glance at the page before you go live to see, oh wait, that's a huge disaster, i better ask someone to see if this can be fixed? but they didn't. they're too busy, well they won't be too busy when this league collapses.

I stand corrected.. someone did alter this image on purpose... dear lord, step into my office...

http://nasl.tv/Public/Images/Players/Small/boxer1.jpg


My thoughts exactly (Style-sheet stretching image) ... Holy cow that's bad. No designer should/would ever do such a thing.

Here, NASL. Use this, cropped and sized:



[image loading]


I can easily do the others if you'd like. It will take me ten minutes. PM me.
[G] Positioning, Formations, and Tactics: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=187892
MasterJack
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada215 Posts
April 19 2011 18:43 GMT
#1172
On April 20 2011 03:17 TimeSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2011 02:46 NoahNickels wrote:
That image of boxer is a disgrace to anyone who uses photoshop for a living. We know how super, super, super simple it is to crop an image to the correct dimensions. I'm sure its a case of the web designer sticking it in without first changing the dimensions and then the CSS twists the image up, No way a graphic designer would allow that, even a bad one. But all it takes is a simple glance at the page before you go live to see, oh wait, that's a huge disaster, i better ask someone to see if this can be fixed? but they didn't. they're too busy, well they won't be too busy when this league collapses.

I stand corrected.. someone did alter this image on purpose... dear lord, step into my office...

http://nasl.tv/Public/Images/Players/Small/boxer1.jpg


My thoughts exactly (Style-sheet stretching image) ... Holy cow that's bad. No designer should/would ever do such a thing.

Here, NASL. Use this, cropped and sized:



[image loading]


I can easily do the others if you'd like. It will take me ten minutes. PM me.

Oh, I kind of liked stretched boxer. Gave him that elastic look every progamer dreams of.
Hammurabio
Profile Joined August 2010
152 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-19 18:49:15
April 19 2011 18:48 GMT
#1173
It takes like 15 seconds to restore the correct aspect ratio and add blank borders to the sides. Here's Boxer and Ensnare fixed up...

Link
TimeSpiral
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1010 Posts
April 19 2011 19:11 GMT
#1174
On April 20 2011 03:48 Hammurabio wrote:
It takes like 15 seconds to restore the correct aspect ratio and add blank borders to the sides. Here's Boxer and Ensnare fixed up...

Link


You're missing the point. The stretched image is not a result of the HTML or the CSS. It is the way the image was processed for the site. The designer deliberately changed the aspect ratio of the source material to conform it to the size of the container (190x120).

The overall point is that the "players" page is hideous. This page absolutely must be standardized. I reviewed the company responsible (credited) for creating this web site and some of the work on the NASL site is sub-par.

Not sure what happened there. Again, if someone from NASL is reading this, I'd be happy to help.
[G] Positioning, Formations, and Tactics: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=187892
Hammurabio
Profile Joined August 2010
152 Posts
April 19 2011 19:39 GMT
#1175
On April 20 2011 04:11 TimeSpiral wrote:
You're missing the point. The stretched image is not a result of the HTML or the CSS. It is the way the image was processed for the site. The designer deliberately changed the aspect ratio of the source material to conform it to the size of the container (190x120).


I understand that completely. NASL just needs to reprocess the images to make them fit the container without stretching them.
- resize the image back to the original aspect ratio (or use the original photo)
- add grey borders to the sides of the image to make it the desired aspect ratio.


FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
April 19 2011 20:30 GMT
#1176
Just heard that even when two players are from the EU they have to play their match on the NA server(?)

That'd be weird... and bad for the players I imagine.

Even more so if this is also true for Korean/Asian(sen) based players... Those matchups have happened and will happen; Zenio vs Sen, Ensnare vs July, Artosis vs Moon etc...
Kevmeister @ Dota2
NoahNickels
Profile Joined March 2011
United States102 Posts
April 19 2011 20:36 GMT
#1177
I don't know much about how lag affects people, but its not a true test of skill unless the playing field is totally level. But having said that:

Division 5 Spoiler
+ Show Spoiler +
Boxer dismantled Drewbie pretty easily, lag or no lag.


That's one thing you can't blame NASL for and i'm just stoked the Koreans are represented one way or the other.
"One of God's own prototypes. Some kind of high-powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die."
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
April 19 2011 20:41 GMT
#1178
On April 20 2011 05:30 FliedLice wrote:
Just heard that even when two players are from the EU they have to play their match on the NA server(?)

That'd be weird... and bad for the players I imagine.

Even more so if this is also true for Korean/Asian(sen) based players... Those matchups have happened and will happen; Zenio vs Sen, Ensnare vs July, Artosis vs Moon etc...


Right now everyone plays on NA at the same time so the casters and whoever records can be there. If it's kor vs kor they will get online at 4 am and play on the NA server

I don't know if they will change that since they have altered their schedule already, but this is just a result of the "fake live" concept. At first I thought it was a pretty neat idea, but in hindsight I think replays are the better alternative. That said, chasing down that many players and trying to make sure they all get their games played on time every night would be really hard. But then again having this many games in a season is hardly necessary
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
April 19 2011 20:43 GMT
#1179
On April 20 2011 05:36 NoahNickels wrote:
I don't know much about how lag affects people, but its not a true test of skill unless the playing field is totally level. But having said that


I totally understand them doing EU vs NA, KR vs NA and KR vs EU games on the NA server because it's the NASL... But when both players are from the same region it'd be pretty stupid to force them to deal with the delay anyway.
Kevmeister @ Dota2
Blacklizard
Profile Joined May 2007
United States1194 Posts
April 19 2011 21:12 GMT
#1180
Better links to individual games (was this already done yesterday?). Options to watch at slower bandwidth.
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