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Varpulis
United States2517 Posts
This must be spotlighted. Abuse your power! | ||
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Helix
United States35 Posts
I don't even watch TV any more, I get everything from livestreams/Hulu/etc. | ||
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A.J.
United States209 Posts
Now you say it and everyone agrees  | ||
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Falcor
Canada894 Posts
On April 12 2011 13:17 ander wrote: Wouldn't a model similar to UFC work? Tournaments like NASL, you pay money for an entire season; more or less a pay-per-view. I think you could have something like that on digital TV or whatever you want; pay your $25 for NASL, get the entire season's games. It could even be just the identical internet stream, just on TV. It seems that we can all agree that we want to avoid what CGS did, and the only way for SC2 to become a legitimate sport it to avoid skewing it into something it's not. If broadcasted at all, it needs to avoid any kind of normal NA TV structure. The only people who will watch will be people who would watch anyways. The only way to draw more viewers would be to dumb it down into something stupid that anyone from TL would hate (see CGS). It theoretically could. But tv execs who own multi million dollar companies wont shell out their money without fiddling with things and their thoughts on what will draw in the biggest audience....and thats how you get the cgs | ||
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peekn
United States1152 Posts
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RoyaleBrainSlug
United States295 Posts
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Brad
2754 Posts
Only time will tell which route SC2 is destined to take. Hopefully it's the right one. | ||
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firalol
United States51 Posts
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.Carnage
United States99 Posts
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Jotoco
Brazil1342 Posts
I will start by saying that I do agree SC2 won't make to TV, and if it did, it would fail miserably. BUT, I think it is more of a cultural thing to the USA (maybe North America) which is not representative of "The West". On point: 1. Easy to edit while maintaining the narrative. It is easy to edit. Look what recent tournaments are using, they add smaller videos to dead areas of the screen, add promotional banners and stuff. As someone pointed, we have 45 min Soccer half-times. There are commercials squeezed in when the play is slow, and there are many such occasions on SC2 to squeeze commercials (long macro moments, right at the beginning, etc). It would be the work of casters/observer to sneak those adds in the slow moments. Or even put then in the smaller dead spaces across the screen. 2. Able to target core demographic and casuals simultaneously. This is only an issue (at least in Brazil) if you're talking about open TV. If you're on Cable, then even a small amount of viewers (much smaller then current SC2 viewership) can keep it a profitable business. There are Channels (on cable) that get a few thousand viewers, tops, and SC2 can manage a few tens of thousands of viewers at the same time. You could target the HARDCORE demographic and slowly try to make the masses understand the game. In Brazil there are MANY Sports that are unknown, like Golf, Baseball, even BASKETBALL. What does the TV stations do when there are major games? They dedicate a good 15~30 min to explaining the fucking game before each transmission. They explain the rules, the rivalries involved, hype the players... each and every transmission. Eventually, some people grow used to those sports and start following then, but in the end Brazil is still a one sport nation and most (80%+) of people only know follow and know Soccer. But the point being, this 20% is some 40 million fucking people. That is a HUGE amount of viewers and money that is untapped. They want entertainment, but not Soccer, shouldn't we give then an option? 3. Social Networking I've experienced many times that TV transmissions can (and will) foment social networking responses. Like a SC2 match in the middle of the day would create a fuck-ton of Community and Hassle in Orkut (largest social network in Brazil), some top TTs in twitter (Brazil is known for putting topics in the TTs lighting fast) and create many, many comments on facebook. By the very nature of these social networks people who don't have a clue what the hell is starcraft would hit some knowledgeable person who would then explain it and propagate the message. Of course this is not guaranteed to happen (nothing is) but this is as likely a scenario as you paint. We don't have SC 2 experience on TV, we DON'T know how it would go. I personally think it would fail, for completely different reasons, one being that I am the target audience for this kind of show and I only turn on the TV on MAJOR, MAJOR events/shows. And even those events I get to know about because of internet and/or word of mouth. On the other hand, it could flourish because we (Brazil, and to an extent "the west") have AWFUL internet connections and streams very often lag terribly (UStream, for example, TSL is unwatchable). I'm literally playing devil's advocate here, but because I think the Kennigit's attitude is Immature and even if I though he was right I don't think it is the way to critize someone who put effort into writing something to try to help the SC community. He should have respected other people's opinions like this site tells us to. I have seem people be banned for only half the criticism he expresses here, even with good arguments, and he gets all the praise in the world for it? Sorry I don't buy these two weights thingy. Even though my post is probably be deleted/edited and I perma banned I HAD to say this, because it would NOT be funny if the TL staff was being ridiculed on another site. PS: And YES, I'm mad with this attitude. Censor me for expressing my opinion. | ||
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Falcor
Canada894 Posts
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Jacopana
El Salvador210 Posts
We are good as we are right now, also I dont watch TV anymore xD if I want to watch any series or something, Internet has it all, is just that I dont have a LCD or Plasma TV to watch it in HD =P. Is to us not to be decived by the "TV Potential", in fact I would say TV is starting to die as we know it. | ||
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robopork
United States511 Posts
On April 12 2011 13:04 CookieMaker wrote: This exactly. TV isn't cable anymore, and anyone who graduated middle school in the last 30 years knows if you REALLY want to sit on your couch to be entertained you just buy a computer/tv monitor adaptor and run your 90 inch plasma as your monitor. Idra/Jinro showmatch on giant plasma? Hell yes. Idra/Jinro showmatch with commercials interjected and entire portions cut out? Hell no. Who needs TV anyways. Exactly. I'm 20 and watch soccer and sc2, both online. Like so many others posting, I don't even own a tv. It sounds like "getting on tv" has been the goal towards which some esports supporters are running without any concrete idea of why. Maybe that's a relic of the early part of the last decade, when esports was still just budding into existence and television was still a relevant way of broadcast to 20somethings. Either way, the sc2 scene is still exploding online, and you can just thumb through this thread and realize that a number (which at this point seems rather large) of online viewers would not be tuning into televised broadcasts of sc2, even if it were prime hours of the day. Making an argument from the raw numbers of online viewers without getting a good survey of how many of those viewers would choose televised events over online events is downright silly. There's some of us, myself included, that would keep watching online even if ESPN sold its soul to esports, and it goes without saying how astronomically ridiculous that very notion is. When I think about esports growth, I think about a little over a year ago, when I was racing home with my beta key in hand, my heart pounding, the piece of paper with those sacred numbers etched on it dampened by the sweat of my palms, and how I was absurdly enthusiastic about the scene. But if a cop had pulled me over for being too damn happy and told me "son, this time next year, the foreign scene will be gearing up for a north american star league that will attract the top korean players," I would've laughed until I shit my pants. The bottom line (at least for me) is that I'm excited and proud to be an esports fan at a time like this, and to be frank, I don't give a flying shit about being on foreign tv when former OSL and current GSL champions are crossing the pacific to play on foreign soil. | ||
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ThunderGod
New Zealand897 Posts
The only reason to put something on tv would be to get more money through advertising revenues. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
I'm sure other cable companies will attempt to do it again, but they will find out quickly for all the reasons Ken listed that logistically it isn't possible. For one, live matches won't be feasible. Everything would have to be pre-recorded. On April 12 2011 13:18 r3clipse wrote: The author had it backwards. eSports moving to TV isn't the future, TV moving onto the internet is the future. I don't even watch TV any more, I get everything from livestreams/Hulu/etc. Amen. On April 12 2011 13:09 Jayrod wrote: So why does the Korean model work for korea and not the west? Alot of your points refer to limitations in the game itself but its on television in Korea. I think if Westerners tune into UFC then they might possibly tune into any garbage on TV. UFC is basically watered down and unentertaining version of boxing and while I realize its a dying industry its still on TV for the time being. How do you sleep at night? There is a big difference between OGN and MBC compared to your ESPNs, FOX Sports, NBC Sports, (insert any American sporting channel here). As for your comments on MMA and the UFC in particular. You don't help your situation when you come off as one of those stereotypical prehistoric boxing elitists. My suggestion to you is stick to what you know. You find MMA boring. Great, that's your opinion. Too bad there is a lot of evidence to counter everything you said. | ||
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.Carnage
United States99 Posts
On April 12 2011 13:26 Falcor wrote: anyone else think of this when they think of iptv? http://www.yotube.com/watch?v=TiU_NmYUy7U kind of graphic, should probably spoielr or code that before a mod swoops in | ||
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
On April 12 2011 11:55 Yergidy wrote: Sad but true. IPTV sounds real interesting I have never heard of it before this. Never heard of ATT Uverse? That's IPTV. | ||
Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
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Ocedic
United States1808 Posts
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A.J.
United States209 Posts
On April 12 2011 13:26 Falcor wrote: anyone else think of this when they think of iptv? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiU_NmYUy7U Oh God... | ||
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