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On March 12 2011 16:26 genopath wrote:
Report to Blizz and let them decide. Depending on the type of hack they either get a warning or a direct ban.
There are types of hacks which don't warrant a ban?
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It's not helping iGware's case that several top players (Drewbie, Ret, bLuR) who have recently run into him are expressing suspicions as well.
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I'm just putting this out there. Back in the competitive dota scene, "Sorcery" was arguably one of the best NA players, famous for his chen play. He was on the team "Pool sorcery some tangos" or something. However, he was caught map hacking (which would explain why he had amazing map awareness).
This was a long time ago.
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On March 12 2011 13:50 Liquid`Ret wrote:
played twice vs igware, both games random vs random, first game close air metapolis he scouted for an overlord with his probe even though his nexus already saw it.
2nd game 4 player map he proxies 2 rax in between the top 2 bases before scouting any position (hes bottom left im top left) but closer to my base.
He also proxied me on a 4player map without scouting my base.
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The iGware account has clearly been using maphacks... one would have to be pretty naive or in denial to think otherwise. Sad when a top player gets exposed like this, makes you question the legitimacy of online tournaments.
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On March 12 2011 14:42 Skyze wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 14:39 Validity wrote:
Socery (lasthitmagic) was confirmed to have maphacked in dota. Just putting that out there. oh wow I didnt know he was lasthitmagic.. thats unreal lol. Just so everyone is clear.. IGware (the account owner) doesnt hack, its Sorcery playing on IGware's account with the hacks so his account wont get banned.. As far as I can tell (and this is 100% my guess, not fact), this IGware account is never meant to be a main account, its a smurf account that they are testing the hacks on. And thats how it climbed to top 5 worldwide so fast/top of 2v2 AT also.
It does not matter of you smurf onto an account, hacking is still hacking. It`s pathetic. I was doing it when i was 12 because i was too much of a bitch to play like a real man. Shame that the guy have the balls to entertain the idea of entering an honnest competition.
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this thread could've led to some really good discussion and sleuthing, if not for the 5 pages of he-said/she-said silliness. It's really sad that people go to the effort of ruining a really good, fun game just for the sake of getting noticed on a leaderboard. (especially if they aren't using that leaderboard position to get into tournaments and make some money)
(On topic: that barracks wall was utterly flagrant. How would anyone in their right mind justify that? Also- drewbie's "I pretty much agree with you, but you're an @#$hole" response was hilarious.)
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I just saw the reps, the last one is pretty blatant where he moves his marine army on that ledge above the planetary.
I don't think there's room for debate, that shit was pretty obvious.
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Is there any way we can collect as many of the replays of iGware we have? If we have at least 10 or so replays, running a simple statistical test for game-related statistics (such as # of scans used, # of worker scouting, or others that people can come up with) compared with these statistics for other top 50 Terran user replays such as Drewbie/SeleCT can reveal any glaringly obvious differences which can most likely only be explained by some sort of hack. For example, if iGware only scans on average 1 time per 15 min game, and other Terran users scan 8 +/- 1 scan per minute with a 99% confidence interval, then we know for almost certain that something's up.
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Watched the 2nd replay (the 2v2 one). Watched it from his perspective to see if he did anything out of whack. Honestly, didn't see much for the first 15 minuts that couldn't be explained by some good gamesense.
However, when he counterattacked the 6 o'clock main there was a very suspicious moment. He was attacking the base and was 1 marine volley away from killing the pool and all of a sudden he moves all his troops back to defend the ramp. It made little sense from his perspective, but when I rewatched with full vision...that was the exact moment you started moving your army towards the ramp. He had no vision of that, yet managed to respond with absolute perfect timing.
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+ Show Spoiler +On March 12 2011 13:18 ProTech wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 13:01 PinkPrincess wrote:I'll preface this by freely admitting that I am Sorcery/iGware's friend. That said, I hate hackers, and would not support them if I believed they hacked. On March 12 2011 11:28 ProTech wrote:
First of all I would like to make this statement before creating this thread: I am in no way shape or form saying that these players are better or worse than me. I am simply making this thread because people of TL.net wanted some proof as to why I believe they are hacking. In this thread I will give you a in depth analysis as to why they are hacking, reasoning and game knowledge of 2v2 high level master league matches. I will let you decide for yourself whether or not they are hacking. I believe that they cheat, but people will have their own opinion, but as some of these replays will show that my suspicion can be backed up. Furthermore I would like some of you to get a better understanding of how myself and bandit play. It may look as if I am not really doing anything but I'm actually doing quite a bit, feeding and microing. This is the opening statement, as to not spew this thread with any bad manner, I am simply putting my point into perspective.
As mentioned before, iGware is not playing his 1v1 Ladder games, Sorcery ( Josh Price ) is playing on the account and conducting his cheese play. First assumption of some kind of cheating.
Why does cheesing ==> cheating? Secondly PinkPrincess (HelpImDying from thebgh.com admin) is saying that he does not like to play for money, but I'm sorry I simply do not buy it. If you are top 5 in the world playing for money is a huge motivator especially with all the time you invest into the game. Second assumption of cheating. I was not the one who propose this idea, chenchen did: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=8232027I even said later in the thread that he said he's played several tournaments. Finally, iGware backs down from a huge tournament stating that his car breaks down. The reality of this, is that it was simply a lie. Disqualification was at hand when Josh Price would show up to the LAN on David Zhu's account. There are three assumptions of cheating, the shit just does not add up. Now, for the replays.
Even if this is the case, sharing accounts is not equivalent to hacking. Game 1: NamchiR vs iGware Replay link: http://replayfu.com/r/MZKTDmFirst of all,at 7:10 notice the timing of blue's e-bay. I notice that the banshee is about half way done, but as soon as the cloak field starts to upgrade, he immediatly make an e-bay. Notice also at this point he still has not scouted the starport, an assumption like that is ridiculous. Seriously? He saw the guy doing the hellion/banshee build. Why would it be surprising that the guy is going banshees? Your logic doesn't make much sense - you don't need to throw down an ebay anywhere near when cloak starts... 8:10 notice how he afk's his banshee, but then as soon as the command center goes down he kills the scvs. Obviously he doesnt enter the terran's base because he can see a viking being made. I guess the afk banshee was a bit weird, but when he came back at 9:40ish, why wouldn't he go directly there? Seems an afk-ish banshee isn't much, especially since even assassinating the scv he runs a risk with viking... He also goes raven that quick blindly? Please. He hasn't even scouted the starport yet. It's too much of an assumption with out scouting. 11:15, notice he micros the banshee, looks into the FoW and then opts to move that banshee to the back? LoL? Yep, and then he sends it in at 11:45 and gets it promptly killed to the Vikings waiting there. Why would he do that if he was hacking to see whether it was safe at 11:15? 13:35 notice how he starts to set up for the attack, resetting rallies into his base, moving marines to the cliff that Namchir is about to attack, fishy? Of course it is. He's constantly setting up for attacks which he has no idea is about to come. Notice also how little he scouts, but why would you need to scout if you're hacking. I don't buy it, if you're top 10 in the ladder world wide, you're going to have better scouting tactics, like NamchiR constantly checking for expos. Yet iGware scouts nothing. 16 mins into to game he doesnt even see the fucking starport. Yet he's still caught relatively flatfooted at 14:20 17:30, as little as he scouts already, watch how he control his dropship, he knows that hellion is there, there would have been no way for him to know what the way point of that hellion would be, so he opts to pull back at the exact time, to find out where it was going and get out of range effectively(OBVIOUSLY) Notice where he places the drop. You would think in TvT that would be a fucking awful place to drop with out scouting, it's a terran's mineral line, there normally would be turrets there, incase of banshee harass, yet he doesnt even fucking scan it to see if anything is there because if there were turrets there he would have been GG'd with that drop. 20:18, look @ how he looks into the fog of war for a second, then sends all those marines to expos. this is why he didn't notice the drop in the clouded area, he was busy hacking. LOL? He goes up the ramp to avoid the planetary, then blindly sends a certain amount of marines to the other expo? knowing that shit was being made into planetary. Conclusion: iGware showed off not only his production tab hack, but also his map hack. Game 2: haCkProTech / tehredbandit vs iGware / Sorcery Replay link: http://replayfu.com/r/hgT6ThIf he has production tab hack, why would he periodically look at his ally's base early on by the way?
For starters @ 5:04 watch how igware starts to move out and looks into the fog of war, knowing that there are lings that would obliterate his army if he continues to move out. He starts to move out, looks into the fog of war, then moves back to his base knowing that all those reinforcements are coming so he can't save his ally. He waits for the stragglers to move into the Z base, giving himself a huge window to move out. LoL?
I'm not sure I agree with this interpretation of events. He's hesitant to move out because he knows you guys have lots of speedlings running around. It's not like he needs a hack to know that two zergs who have been going 10 pool every game and from whom he's already SEEN lots of speedlings periodically in his ally's base have a lot of lings running around. 9:06 baneling nest goes down, probably looking @ the production tab. He opts to make that many bunkers @ his door @ that time, getting ready for the bane bust. a) he doesn't need to make bunkers right as a baneling nest goes down. He could actually just wait until nearer the time considering it takes over double the time for banelings to actually hit him as compared to building a bunker. Arguably if he did use production tab hack, he'd wait until the baneling nest is about half done. b) knowing how much you love to baneling bust every game, are you surprised he throws down bunkers? He's playing a defensive game against players he feels he's better than (i.e., he's not super afraid of entering a macro game since you guys hurt your eco with your opening builds), and who are known for hyperaggressive all-inish play. 14:02, sorcery is microing the banshee, but he doesnt scout any of the tech structures so he has no reason to believe that baneling or anything else is coming out. 14:15, watch how he's attacking my base and pulls his marines to ramp RIGHT as the baneling are coming to the front door, he started moving them before he knew they were coming, yet he can prepare for them? lol.. Admittedly that move is one of the only moves I found a bit suspicious, but I don't think it proves much since he already saw a bunch of lings outside, and could be trying to respond to the fact that they were probably going to try to come up. 16:03 notice how he is sitting at his marine location waiting for those zerglings to come and attack. Notice how when lings are around his scvs he is always moving his marines and protecting his mineral line, even though the lings are obviously not going to his mineral line, but just in case! Wait, what? It's pretty obvious that he's going to move his marines to guard his expansion as he takes it... The second part of your statement there doesn't really make sense to me Show nested quote + 18:17 mass baneling moves out, we kill the overlord in the mid, take a different path, so he has no idea it's coming, yet he can make bunkers @ that time, and set up for the attack? 18:34, right as the units get at the front of his base he puts all his units into the crack and set up as best he can for the massive bust, coincidence / timing? No. Hacks. And just leaves his tanks as suicide instead of actually using them to block the crack...? If he knew you were coming at that exact second, I'd think he could do a better job at blocking it. Show nested quote +
Conclusion: Production tab hack / Map hack. There is simply no way he can sit there and setup for everything @ the exact right time the entire game, especially since he is not using any scans. In this game there are a bunch of fishy moves that make no sense, with out constantly scouting the map and not knowing whats coming, yet he sets up for everything and executes all the moves perfectly. I don't buy it. You're decision, this is what I think.
He didn't at all properly respond to Mutas at 17:30 (lost tech lab). If he was using production tab hack, wouldn't have have noticed mutas building, and guarded it? Show nested quote +Game 3: haCkProTech / tehredbandit vs iGware / Sorcery Replay link: http://replayfu.com/r/4msXdjI would like to start this explanation by saying that this is probably the most obvious out of all the replays that I have. Here we go: At 3:25, he looks at the lings, but only when they come into his ally's vision range. It seems like a decidedly non-hackerish thing to do Show nested quote +
To star this game off, we have 10 pooled almost every game so it is safe to assume that we will be 10 pooling again, so his open is not hacking, it's just smart based on what we have been going. Also to make 3~4 bunkers incase of an early bane bust is a smart idea as well. However, as soon as the baneling nest goes down, watch the continuous mass of bunkers that are being produced.
You play this way every ZZ v ZT that goes beyond 10 pool from what I've seen, even down to sending out an extra queen to assassinate the scout overlord. Show nested quote + This is the first sign of hacking in this game, also notice that the zerg is going nothing but roaches, this is a complete and utter hard counter to our build this game. Notice how Sorcery has only one overlord hovering over our choke point, but that's it. They have no scouted our base @ all. Around 6:00 the baneling nest goes down, he continues to make bunkers, and pump roaches. Production tab hacking. We take a queen off the creep to kill that overlord in fear that he may scout the baneling nest, so now we have 6:56 they have literally not scouted anything on the map, so how can they know how to counter out build? Sac a fuckin lord bro, make it less obvious. 7:42 lings are coming in amass from purple, and the bunkers continue to be created, while roaches are beginning the mass. 8:23: 30 baneling morphs in, bunkers continue to make, as well as roaches to counter the massive pain they are about to feel. They have not scouted the map AT ALL THE ENTIRE GAME. It's not like they could worker scout anyway. It's just playing ZT v ZZ without playing offensively Show nested quote +9:00 the baneling move out, they move their units in the perfect location to defend the attack.LoL? This is even before we get close to their base before they see whats coming. First attack is thwarted because of their perfect preparation even though they have no scouted the map at all, typical. Now after that first bust you would think, ok the two zergs know they are going mass bane ling so we will recreate our wall, that's a good assumption. However they have no scouted the map at all, so why are they not even afraid of anti air? They continue to hard counter baneling the whole time. 12:06, 30 more baneling morph in sorry 40! iGware sends out 4 scvs and look what he does as the baneling morph in. They jknow they don't have enough structures to counter 40 baneling so he sends out 4 scvs to create a huge wall, at that exact time? Coincidence? I think not. They haven't even scouted the map @ all, so they have no idea what kind of tech tree we have, but oh wait! they do, production tab hack, makes sense to me! Kid says muta, as we move out, obviously trying to cover up the fact they know what we're making? yep.
Conclusion: We could have probably won that game, but I rage quit when they built all those barracks at the exact time the baneling were morphing in, at that point I was just assuming we were at a disadvantage that's probably because I do not have any kind of hack on!!
You had a huge disadvantage, by then, what are you talking about? Show nested quote +
At any rate, here are just some of the game that I played against them that really stick out, there are probably a lot more, when I was playing them not thinking that they cheat..
Conclusion overall: In these particular games, the only person who is obvious using cheats ( in my opinion ) is iGware. Going back to the fact that they swap account, based on the hotkeys it is save to assume that during each of these games, David Zhu is playing on Sorcery's account, and vice versa, as I do not think David Zhu is a hacker. Sorcery on the other hand is a full blown known hacker from DoTA so it would make a lot of sense that he would be cheating in starcraft 2.
If you think otherwise, that's fine. This is my perception and analysis of these games, and I think I'm pretty on point. But you can decide for yourself it's up to yoU!~!
- haCkProTech
I don't think he's nearly as suspicious as you do. The 2v2 games are perfectly explainable by the fact that you play like a robot every 2v2 (which we all know when we play against you...), and the 1v1 had some pretty boneheaded moves if he indeed was hacking. I didn't even bother to read your post HelpImDying ( aka Peter admin of thebgh.com. ) The only reason that you are defending them is because you play with them. Everything I speculated took quite some time and thought and reasoning before posting. You can NOT explain everything with your logic. Even in this post, as you can clearly see the majority of people agree with the accusations that I am making, these replays provide solid proof. You cannot explain the moves that this guys makes in ever game. Furthermore, once a hacker, always a hacker unless you start to stream such as TT1. If you are considered of hacking / cheating why would you just not care? Especially at that hight of a level, you have a lot of attention drawn to you, so it would be wise for you to try and clear up your name. I personally believe that if iGware puts up a stream, and continues to win games like he does, then I will say that I wrong and you were right. However I doubt that something like this would happen, as stated even before this thread, no one even knows of igware up until he hit the top of the ladder. So it would be safe to say that, if he provides hard proof that he is not hacking i.e: a live stream, and continues to win games like he does, then I will say that I was wrong.
so you aren't even going to read and respond to all the significant points he made? i already see you [ProTech] as an emotional player who would be likely to attribute reasons to your losses other than the fact that you were outplayed. i've met you on ladder and i've beaten you, and each time you've lost you've responded in some BM way and left the game like some petulant child. the fact that you don't even read someone's critiques of your serious accusation of hacking just further takes away credibility from your case.
i think pinkprincess's critiques clearly showed a spurious quality to a lot of your arguments.
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On March 12 2011 13:30 drewbie.root wrote:
If he does hack, then he is really really good at hiding it because there are a lot of things that he does that make it seem like a normal game. He could just be really fucking bad at scouting ( I am kidding nobody in the top 200 has ever gone 20 minutes without scouting their opponent at all ) and be a really smart player and just be a bit lucky.
Uhm, I would say exactly the opposite. If he does hack, then he is really, really bad at hiding it.
A good hacker will make sure that it will be almost impossible to accuse him.
If he sees a hidden expo he will wait a minute and then send 1 zergling/marine/w-ever to each base and voila he will find the hidden base because he was just scouting for hidden expos. This guy sends half his marines at random to an expo.
If he notices cloak and banshees are coming and he hasn't built an engineering bay he will make sure to throw a scan so that he just barely sees the starport and techlab and suddenly he can prepare his defence no problem.
And with drop placements and drop defense etc. it will appear as if he is just lucky most of the time. But he won't make awkward pullbacks out of nowhere.
Playing like that does take pretty intense multitasking however and considering his low apm I'm not surprised he can't manage it. Still, if he is hacking, then it's the second lovest form of hacking (the lowest form being those who don't try to conceal anything).
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On March 12 2011 17:00 ParasitJonte wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 13:30 drewbie.root wrote:
If he does hack, then he is really really good at hiding it because there are a lot of things that he does that make it seem like a normal game. He could just be really fucking bad at scouting ( I am kidding nobody in the top 200 has ever gone 20 minutes without scouting their opponent at all ) and be a really smart player and just be a bit lucky.
Uhm, I would say exactly the opposite. If he does hack, then he is really, really bad at hiding it. A good hacker will make sure that it will be almost impossible to accuse him. If he sees a hidden expo he will wait a minute and then send 1 zergling/marine/w-ever to each base and voila he will find the hidden base because he was just scouting for hidden expos. This guy sends half his marines at random to an expo. If he notices cloak and banshees are coming and he hasn't built an engineering bay he will make sure to throw a scan so that he just barely sees the starport and techlab and suddenly he can prepare his defence no problem. And with drop placements and drop defense etc. it will appear as if he is just lucky most of the time. But he won't make awkward pullbacks out of nowhere. Playing like that does take pretty intense multitasking however and considering his low apm I'm not surprised he can't manage it. Still, if he is hacking, then it's the second lovest form of hacking (the lowest form being those who don't try to conceal anything).
Well consider it this way; if he does hack (and how he climbed to 4100 pts).. thats what, at least 300+ games? He has been careful enough not to have any MAJOR evidence against him, at least none coming forward other than small suspicious things.. So lets say adding in team games, probably an estimate of 500+ games of hacking.. Theres no way you can be perfect in hiding it for that many games, you'll slip up eventually.
That bunker / baneling thing, is a slipup. Its much more than the namhcir TvT, or other games, which all are fishy but are concealed well/not obvious.
My point being; for him to even get this far without getting caught, is talent in itself. He hides it quite well, but like any hacker trying to make it on the scene (lastshadow, etc from the past), they will get caught eventually. Its only a matter of time.
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On March 12 2011 16:39 bLuR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 13:50 Liquid`Ret wrote:
played twice vs igware, both games random vs random, first game close air metapolis he scouted for an overlord with his probe even though his nexus already saw it.
2nd game 4 player map he proxies 2 rax in between the top 2 bases before scouting any position (hes bottom left im top left) but closer to my base. He also proxied me on a 4player map without scouting my base.
I feel like people have been ignoring Rets post. This bunched with the obvious facts of the OP and other statements in this thread is enough to safely say that he hacked imo. That and the fact that everyone who tries to defend the douchebag is a gaming buddy or IRL friend of his.
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I'm just curious, do you know for a fact that Sorcery is playing on iGware's account?
Also, I'll just say at the last Berkeley LAN, iGware beat both PainUser and Axslav 2-0, but he didn't actually attend the LAN, and played from home. I don't believe that he Berkeley CSL team was aware of whether he was an alumni, since he still had a berkeley.edu email account, and past that it's hard to verify, or requires a lot more effort than a simple CSL team is probably willing to put it. I don't think they would knowingly break the rules that way.
I will say that at the LAN, I didn't think anything of him maphacking, but now that the issue has been brought up, His builds at the tournament that I saw were 2 DT rushes, 1 Korean 4gate, 1 3 gate PvP, 1 standard PvT, and 2 hellion drop/Banshee TvT. I don't think there was anything too suspicious in the K4G, or the DT rushes. Nothing spectacular in those games that I would find suspicious. There was also nothing really spectacular in the two TvT games he played. Furthermore, in the one standard game he played, his opponent did blindly open with FE with missile turrets.
The one game where he went 3 Gate PvP did have some kinda suspicious moments. Firstly, he was able to stop the proxy pylon from going down near his base, but that's not super suspicious. The 2nd thing that I chalked up to luck was when his probe moved behind bushes near the natural on XC, RIGHT AS the Zealot that was checking for proxies moves away. It ended up winning the game for him, but this is nothing conclusive at all, but I did feel that I should bring it up.
EDIT: AFAIK, iGware was not banned from CSL for hacking, he's just not eligible to play as an alumni.
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On March 12 2011 17:09 StarBrift wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 16:39 bLuR wrote:On March 12 2011 13:50 Liquid`Ret wrote:
played twice vs igware, both games random vs random, first game close air metapolis he scouted for an overlord with his probe even though his nexus already saw it.
2nd game 4 player map he proxies 2 rax in between the top 2 bases before scouting any position (hes bottom left im top left) but closer to my base. He also proxied me on a 4player map without scouting my base. I feel like people have been ignoring Rets post. This bunched with the obvious facts of the OP and other statements in this thread is enough to safely say that he hacked imo. That and the fact that everyone who tries to defend the douchebag is a gaming buddy or IRL friend of his.
To be fair, Ret and Sorcery have a "history" that has nothing to do with game play. I'm not saying that's behind his accusation, but it would be inaccurate to say that they are merely people who happened to randomly run into each other in ladder games.
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On March 12 2011 17:05 Skyze wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 17:00 ParasitJonte wrote:On March 12 2011 13:30 drewbie.root wrote:
If he does hack, then he is really really good at hiding it because there are a lot of things that he does that make it seem like a normal game. He could just be really fucking bad at scouting ( I am kidding nobody in the top 200 has ever gone 20 minutes without scouting their opponent at all ) and be a really smart player and just be a bit lucky.
Uhm, I would say exactly the opposite. If he does hack, then he is really, really bad at hiding it. A good hacker will make sure that it will be almost impossible to accuse him. If he sees a hidden expo he will wait a minute and then send 1 zergling/marine/w-ever to each base and voila he will find the hidden base because he was just scouting for hidden expos. This guy sends half his marines at random to an expo. If he notices cloak and banshees are coming and he hasn't built an engineering bay he will make sure to throw a scan so that he just barely sees the starport and techlab and suddenly he can prepare his defence no problem. And with drop placements and drop defense etc. it will appear as if he is just lucky most of the time. But he won't make awkward pullbacks out of nowhere. Playing like that does take pretty intense multitasking however and considering his low apm I'm not surprised he can't manage it. Still, if he is hacking, then it's the second lovest form of hacking (the lowest form being those who don't try to conceal anything). Well consider it this way; if he does hack (and how he climbed to 4100 pts).. thats what, at least 300+ games? He has been careful enough not to have any MAJOR evidence against him, at least none coming forward other than small suspicious things.. So lets say adding in team games, probably an estimate of 500+ games of hacking.. Theres no way you can be perfect in hiding it for that many games, you'll slip up eventually. That bunker / baneling thing, is a slipup. Its much more than the namhcir TvT, or other games, which all are fishy but are concealed well/not obvious. My point being; for him to even get this far without getting caught, is talent in itself. He hides it quite well, but like any hacker trying to make it on the scene (lastshadow, etc from the past), they will get caught eventually. Its only a matter of time.
Except that slipping up once doesn't mean you get automatically banned. People actually need to notice that you hack and report it to blizzard. Seeing as how few people in the scene actually analyse their own losses it's very plausible to think that no one has caught him on his obvious mistakes. And even as you say that we now have two credible accusations against him.
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Blizzard is pretty bad at catching hackers, I caught 2 myself and told david kim about them, then he forwarded to the hack department. Sad thing is they have a system to report hackers, but never seem to check it or get to it.
Either way, i've played iGware a bunch and he does play strange, he seemed like a nice guy to me for what its worth but he did make me check a couple of replays, only making me more suspicious, however, in the replays I watched, I didn't see him looking into the fog of war, which is obviously a big big tell. but I am pretty sure he was reacting very well to unit production, and I believe I've also been a victim of the good ol' proxy rax w/o scouting technique.
Also if HuK says neither of these guys have Honor, I believe it, and Honor is a good skill toi have.
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On March 12 2011 17:11 PinkPrincess wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 17:09 StarBrift wrote:On March 12 2011 16:39 bLuR wrote:On March 12 2011 13:50 Liquid`Ret wrote:
played twice vs igware, both games random vs random, first game close air metapolis he scouted for an overlord with his probe even though his nexus already saw it.
2nd game 4 player map he proxies 2 rax in between the top 2 bases before scouting any position (hes bottom left im top left) but closer to my base. He also proxied me on a 4player map without scouting my base. I feel like people have been ignoring Rets post. This bunched with the obvious facts of the OP and other statements in this thread is enough to safely say that he hacked imo. That and the fact that everyone who tries to defend the douchebag is a gaming buddy or IRL friend of his. To be fair, Ret and Sorcery have a "history" that has nothing to do with game play. I'm not saying that's behind his accusation, but it would be inaccurate to say that they are merely people who happened to randomly run into each other in ladder games.
Care to explain that history instead of making blanket statements to suit your own agenda? Unless you can give some proof I'll take respected member of the community and serious gamer Ret's word for it before yours any day.
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I just described my games for a reason, I don't wanna say anyone is a hacker without actual proof.
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