EPTIs your interest in GSL lowering? - Page 18
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PrinceXizor
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Valikyr
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Neivler
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Gotmog
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On March 10 2011 18:32 vrok wrote: EU/NA was NEVER ahead of Korea. They play to win. If doing an all-in is the best way to win because many aren't able to defend it, there's nothing wrong with that. It's necessary to separate good builds from bad and good players from bad. It's part of becoming a good player. If anything you should blame Blizzard for their horrible maps. Also, GSL is free to watch live. Well...seems that both white-ra and day9 agree partially at least...so i don't think things were that black and white. But yah...they played to win for sure, and would've dominated on our ladders as well. ( but i wouldn't call that good play) | ||
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ooni
Australia1498 Posts
On March 10 2011 18:32 vrok wrote: EU/NA was NEVER ahead of Korea. They play to win. If doing an all-in is the best way to win because many aren't able to defend it, there's nothing wrong with that. It's necessary to separate good builds from bad and good players from bad. It's part of becoming a good player. If anything you should blame Blizzard for their horrible maps. Also, GSL is free to watch live. The problem is there are few holes in EU/NA players builds even at pro level. I feel it is wrong not to exploit these holes. It is like I'd expand three times at the start without any units and expecting to win. No player will want to play macro game with that player, it's just doesn't feel right in SC2 (yes I get that this things happen in BW but different mechanics and people know so much about BW,m there are hardly any punishing builds for them). White-ra had a hole in his build so did other players in IEM, the koreans (mainly Ace) found their weakness and used all-in (well not all the time but a lot of the time they would use the exact same timing and punish the build). I feel pretty down White-ra said this after IEM, very sad indeed, although I can understand his anger losing before he could finish his macro build. However a good player needs to refine their build rather than just say it's because of 'all-in', I'm sure Ace would not have all-ined if he did not see the obvious weakness in White-ra's build. Look at the replay again, yes, it is the same all in, targeting one point when white-ra is very weak (too weak infact). But yeah GSL, soz the lvl is much higher. | ||
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blackbrrd
Norway477 Posts
Code A has gotten much better. Code S is really really entertaining. | ||
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DarKFoRcE
Germany1215 Posts
The first seasons, i actually watched very few to no games, now i even watch T/P games. | ||
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Valckrie
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m3rciless
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On March 10 2011 19:17 Gotmog wrote: Well...seems that both white-ra and day9 agree partially at least...so i don't think things were that black and white. But yah...they played to win for sure, and would've dominated on our ladders as well. ( but i wouldn't call that good play) Agreed, past tense. They agreed as of many seasons ago. Im sure now its quite clear to everyone that GSL shows great macro games at the absolute highest level of play. | ||
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MrBadMan
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Then I started to realize that I watch GSL because the games inspire me to do similar stuff on the ladder. I was actually learning how to play the game by watching GSL. And the new maps arent helping me WHATSOEVER on the ladder, because not only are the maps themself irrelevant to me, the playstyle and strategies these maps induce are irrelevant too, you simply cannot translate those builds and strategies to the official ladder maps. If they keep using maps that arent relevant to my laddering, I wont continue to watch GSL. No matter how skilled the Koreans may be, no matter how spectacular and entertaining the actual games may be. They might as well be playing a completely different game. I have lost all interest in any GSL games that are played out on non-ladder maps, and non-ladder maps are featured in the vast majority of GSL games right now. If the GSL goes back to ladder maps, I'll keep watching. Maybe they can mix in one or two of the official 2v2 maps for more macro intensive games? But please, keep the games somewhat relevant to ladder scrubs like me who mainly watch GSL to improve their own play. | ||
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Grettin
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On March 10 2011 20:01 MrBadMan wrote: At first I liked the new maps, I liked the changes and I was in full support of the reasoning behind it. Then I started to realize that I watch GSL because the games inspire me to do similar stuff on the ladder. I was actually learning how to play the game by watching GSL. And the new maps arent helping me WHATSOEVER on the ladder, because not only are the maps themself irrelevant to me, the playstyle and strategies these maps induce are irrelevant too, you simply cannot translate those builds and strategies to the official ladder maps. If they keep using maps that arent relevant to my laddering, I wont continue to watch GSL. No matter how skilled the Koreans may be, no matter how spectacular and entertaining the actual games may be. They might as well be playing a completely different game. I have lost all interest in any GSL games that are played out on non-ladder maps, and non-ladder maps are featured in the vast majority of GSL games right now. If the GSL goes back to ladder maps, I'll keep watching. Maybe they can mix in one or two of the official 2v2 maps for more macro intensive games? But please, keep the games somewhat relevant to ladder scrubs like me who mainly watch GSL to improve their own play. Isn't blizzard adding GSL maps to the ladder pool? Problem solved. I got your point and it's good no argue about that, but i cant see full reason not to watch sc2 games because they are playing a different map than you are. I'm sure there is a way to use the same strategies and playstyles in the current ladderpool, even if the koreans are doing it on GSL map. I hope the maps get sorted out somehow(and you continue watching GSL again!). Adding more (GSL) maps to the ladderpool and taking some away, would be the best possible way to do so.  | ||
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Consummate
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CScythe
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ShyRamen
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There are few foreigner players that I do like to watch but it's a pretty small group compared to the many many many koreans I love | ||
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