Base Camera Inject. Queen melt down, SOLVED - Page 7

On March 08 2011 00:13 ChefStarCraft wrote:
The new method is no different. If your queens are a little off you may have to move your cursor a little yes.

On March 08 2011 00:17 Nolari wrote:

I don't quite understand the link between these two sentences. That you have to move your cursor is what makes it different. The old method centers on Hatcheries, so you never have to move the cursor. The new method centers on Queens.

On March 07 2011 14:33 DreamChaser wrote:


Let me give you something from Chill's perspective or at least mine from a BW stand point.

SC:BW although there was no larva inject or creep spread, the game became a legend because of the mechanics required to play the game. There was no multiple hatcheries binded to one key or 24 mutalisk on one hot key. when you wanted to spawn larva you had to click on each hatch and make a unit. There are a million other things i could tell you that made BW more difficult but i really don't want to inflame more of a SC2 vs BW. What im trying to get at is people need to practice mechanics and one of these mechanics is larva inject. Honestly people expect to much form Blizzard now, they want SC2 to be "user friendly" but really they may as well let the damn computers play for the players.

On March 08 2011 00:29 Chill wrote:

I guess this is where I'm coming from, although I didn't realize it until you guys wrote it.

I see people writing these programs play sounds or write text to tell you when to inject and things like that. This obviously doesn't take it that far, but I guess I'm just worried people will get tunnel vision about injecting when there's a lot of other things to do as well. Obviously that didn't come out in my one-line OP.

Anyways, I'll continue to try it before I post again, but I haven't had too many issues with just using 66 77 88 for my first three Queens.

On March 08 2011 00:31 ChefStarCraft wrote:



My actual thinking is not tunnel vision with this method, but rather the opposite. If we can do this in good time, we have time to do other things like lay creep tumors.

I insist on trying the new method with the follow current unit selection as shift + inject button.
I also recommend my thread on creep spreading ideas, theres a link in my op

On March 08 2011 00:29 Chill wrote:

I guess this is where I'm coming from, although I didn't realize it until you guys wrote it.

I see people writing these programs to play sounds or write text to tell you when to inject and things like that. It often ends up being a crutch instead of just learning to play well. Obviously that can't be true of every technique, but looking at this quickly I would put it in the crutch list rather than solid technique list. Obviously a lot of people disagree given the feedback, that's fine, but my opinion isn't unfounded.

I guess I'm just worried people will get tunnel vision about injecting when there's a lot of other things to do as well. I'm worried people get locked into running this cycle. By doing the actions one-by-one you get a lot more versatility in controlling your individual units. Obviously that didn't come out in my one-line OP.

Anyways, I'll continue to try it more before I post again.

On March 08 2011 00:35 Chill wrote:

Well, my point is that if you do it individually you think to control the units individually. If you use this technique as a crutch you run through the entire action list as opposed to thinking about the units individually.

It's hard for me to put it on paper.

On March 08 2011 00:35 Chill wrote:
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Well, my point is that if you do it individually you think to control the units individually. If you use this technique as a crutch you run through the entire action list as opposed to thinking about the units individually.

It's hard for me to put it on paper.

On March 08 2011 00:44 Chill wrote:
Here's an analogy:

Lots of people put all their Hatcheries on 5. Then they have Drones built from the main going to their third base and units from their third base rallying in backwards to their main base. If they controlled the Hatcheries individually, they would play a lot better. That's where I'm coming from.

Of course in late game when injects are just a chore that mechanically has to be done, this technique would be very appropriate.

On March 08 2011 00:44 Kambing wrote:


This might crystallize what you're trying to get across better Chill. What do you think you gain from individually controlling queens over doing a semi-automated approach like this?

I used to argue that individual control lets you check energies more efficiently, lets you respond to drops better, etc., but I've found that queen injecting is one of those things that you just don't gain a lot by trying to be more precise or deliberate about your control with it. I feel it's better to pick the most automated way possible (that's comfortable for you) and then put that focus into something else, e.g., creep tumor spreading.

On March 08 2011 00:53 Chill wrote:

You're probably right. I like seeing the energy to plan my creep tumours and prepare transfusions if attacks are coming, but like you said thats a fringe situation. You would be better off having 10% faster injections and giving up this "luxury".

I guess I'm seeing the following situation: 3 Hatcheries, 3 Queens. The expansion is getting harassed by a Banshee. The "old" player would 66v 88v and then 77 and fight the banshee. But the person using this technique wouldn't inject anything until everything is completely clear.

On March 08 2011 00:51 ChefStarCraft wrote:

This is just something for people to learn and improve on, it dosent make this a bad method.

If anything it allows you to inject faster, in larger quantities at once, saving time.

On March 08 2011 00:44 Chill wrote:
Here's an analogy:

Lots of people put all their Hatcheries on 5. Then they have Drones built from the main going to their third base and units from their third base rallying in backwards to their main base. If they controlled the Hatcheries individually, they would play a lot better. That's where I'm coming from.

Of course in late game when injects are just a chore that mechanically has to be done, this technique would be very appropriate.

On March 08 2011 00:58 MrBitter wrote:


This is the sticking point for me.

In an 8 minute game, I won't use backspace injects at all. Its just not necessary.

In a 25 minute macro game, when it's crucial that injections happen while armies are being microd, little tricks like this really shine.

I don't think you're wrong at all in saying that having more control, or tighter control is a good thing, but there are also times in the game when speed is much more important than precision. Something like this makes those moments that much more manageable.

It's a far cry from BW precision, but that doesn't mean we should limit ourselves by not taking advantage of the tools given to us.

On March 08 2011 00:53 Chill wrote:

You're probably right. I like seeing the energy to plan my creep tumours and prepare transfusions if attacks are coming, but like you said thats a fringe situation. You would be better off having 10% faster injections and giving up this "luxury".

I guess I'm seeing the following situation: 3 Hatcheries, 3 Queens. The expansion is getting harassed by a Banshee. The "old" player would 66v 88v and then 77 and fight the banshee. But the person using this technique wouldn't inject anything until everything is completely clear.

On March 08 2011 00:59 ChefStarCraft wrote:
It will follow the next selection if you haven't paned away.

In the case its doing that in your play, with my new method's set up i have follow current selection set to Q as a alternate hot key, to turn of whenever i need to.