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Hmmm, If I can not mindlessly spam then I don't see how it is faster than the alternative which is
1) select queens
2) hold shift +V
3) press backspace
4) visual check, is queen next to hatch?
4 Yes) Click
4 No) repeat step
A visual check is always slower than doing something by habit. Yes, you actually need to CONTROL your clicks while doing that, but if you get a rythm and leave about half-a-second inbetween each click you still need no visual check, get no wandering queens and are still faster than pretty much every other method. Why you would want to spam your clicks if you can achieve the same thing with properly timed controlled clicks is beyond me. It might take some time to learn it, but that goes for everything in SC.
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For some reason I can't disengage the follow cam by scrolling or selecting a different group. I need to hit the hotkey again.
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On March 07 2011 22:27 Ctuchik wrote:
For some reason I can't disengage the follow cam by scrolling or selecting a different group. I need to hit the hotkey again.
When you're following a unit, edge scrolling has a little bit of slack so that you don't break the follow by accident. You have to scroll off the edge of the screen for a little bit longer than you would expect to untoggle follow.
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This technique sounds interesting. I get quite some queen meltdowns during the later stages of the game when I have 3+ bases and 1-2 extra hatcheries. Really, any way to reduce the mechanics gap between Z and T/P is more than welcome!
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Just wanted to tip others use follow cam and base cam on same key, just have one while shift is pressed.
Have follow cam on tilt (one next to 1), and base cam on shift + tilt. Makes is sooo easy to do since you will be holding down shift anyway to incect all the bases.
Queens -> V -> Tilt -> Shift down -> Tilt untill done -> Shift up
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On March 07 2011 23:03 Eka wrote:
Just wanted to tip others use follow cam and base cam on same key, just have one while shift is pressed.
Have follow cam on tilt (one next to 1), and base cam on shift + tilt. Makes is sooo easy to do since you will be holding down shift anyway to incect all the bases.
Queens -> V -> Tilt -> Shift down -> Tilt untill done -> Shift up
This will make it so its automatic, wow. This is awesome thankyou.
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props to you chefstracraft for discovering this!
Im very used to the mass hatch single queen hotkey method but i will definitely try this one!
I imagine this to be included into my hotkey spamming pattern so i can blindly inject in 0.5sec and switch back to my army tab!
Cute trick!
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good stuff man! <3 i am a big fan of it! i think i am gonna go try it out right now! :D see ya in there!
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After reading the OP I thought this might be a nice technique. But as someone mentioned earlier in this thread, if you spam click to fast, you will hit hatches with no queens attached. So I searched the forums a little and found Queen Inject Using Camera Hotkeys.
What I currently gonna try is this setup:
Rebind some screenlocation hotkeys to shift+Q/W/E/R and set them to your hatches with queens available. Select your queens, hit shift+V, hold shift and then hit Q click, W click, E click, R click.
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On March 07 2011 23:07 ChefStarCraft wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2011 23:03 Eka wrote:
Just wanted to tip others use follow cam and base cam on same key, just have one while shift is pressed.
Have follow cam on tilt (one next to 1), and base cam on shift + tilt. Makes is sooo easy to do since you will be holding down shift anyway to incect all the bases.
Queens -> V -> Tilt -> Shift down -> Tilt untill done -> Shift up This will make it so its automatic, wow. This is awesome thankyou.
You can make the motion completely automatic and exactly as before by setting `Shift' to `Center on Current Selection' (rather than `Follow Current Selection'). `Center on Current Selection' is a modifier instead of toggling, so if you bind this and do the usual motion:
Queens -> Inject larva -> *shift down* -> [base camera, inject] -> shift up
it all works out peachy and you don't have to change what you're used to. However, binding shift will cause your camera to snap to your selection whenever you hit shift which is a no-go for most people.
(Note: doing something similar by setting base camera and center both on, e.g., shift+~ or ~ and shift+~, doesn't work because 1) non-shift hotkeys fire do not fire if their shift counterpart is bound and 2) you can't bind multiple global functions to a single hotkey.)
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On March 07 2011 22:16 pilsken wrote:Show nested quote +Hmmm, If I can not mindlessly spam then I don't see how it is faster than the alternative which is
1) select queens
2) hold shift +V
3) press backspace
4) visual check, is queen next to hatch?
4 Yes) Click
4 No) repeat step A visual check is always slower than doing something by habit. Yes, you actually need to CONTROL your clicks while doing that, but if you get a rythm and leave about half-a-second inbetween each click you still need no visual check, get no wandering queens and are still faster than pretty much every other method. Why you would want to spam your clicks if you can achieve the same thing with properly timed controlled clicks is beyond me. It might take some time to learn it, but that goes for everything in SC.
so the options are mindlessly clicking but leaving half a second or attempt to do the visual check within that half second, I don't think there is much difference with either method when starting out. However over time I'm sure the visual check would be faster if its just a glance and one would get use to pattern as it cycles through hatcheries.
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On March 07 2011 14:47 FabledIntegral wrote:
lol i still inject using the minimap
EDIT: as in i click the base of each minimap and then manually inject each one :S
This is exactly what I do, and in fact I was totally unaware that people were arguing against it. I thought it was pretty much decided to be the fastest-cleanest method if you're self-aware when it comes to queen energy?
I've never bothered to expand my knowledge on all of these 'Queen mechanics' much because I didn't know people had apparently found a 'better' way (a way that stops your queen from running across the map? If so, I don't know why there is an entire godamn thread dedicated to saving yourself ONE SINGLE CLICK, I never thought you needed to come up with any sort of 'technique' to stop your queen from running across the map.).
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On March 07 2011 23:45 Co-lol-sus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2011 14:47 FabledIntegral wrote:
lol i still inject using the minimap
EDIT: as in i click the base of each minimap and then manually inject each one :S This is exactly what I do, and in fact I was totally unaware that people were arguing against it. I thought it was pretty much decided to be the fastest-cleanest method if you're self-aware when it comes to queen energy? I've never bothered to expand my knowledge on all of these 'Queen mechanics' much because I didn't know people had apparently found a 'better' way (a way that stops your queen from running across the map? If so, I don't know why there is an entire godamn thread dedicated to saving yourself ONE SINGLE CLICK, I never thought you needed to come up with any sort of 'technique' to stop your queen from running across the map.).
Its like coffee, everyone have their own preference.
I love this method because it fits my way of using my mouse and keyboard. I learn pattern once, and then its there.
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Just tried this new method out, and I can't say I'm a fan. Perhaps I'm "doing it wrong"?
With the "old" backspace inject method you can keep your mouse cursor still during the whole thing. With this "new" method the camera centers on the Queen instead of the Hatchery, so that will only work if all Queens have the same position relative to their Hatcheries.
I end up losing all of the potential speed gain again by having to look where my Hatchery is and reposition the mouse cursor accordingly.
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I now have it so follow unit selections activated with shift + inject hotkey,
It works by pressing shift+inject button (don't hold shift), inject button, then hold shift, cycle using base camera and inject like normal.
This will activate it and make it so you don't even have to practice a new button in your cycles
This is a very friendly way as well, it makes it so its very easy to get used too, you will learn even faster if your used to backspace injecting already.
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Im mind blown. Fantastic catch, well done to you sir.
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On March 07 2011 23:58 Nolari wrote:
Just tried this new method out, and I can't say I'm a fan. Perhaps I'm "doing it wrong"?
With the "old" backspace inject method you can keep your mouse cursor still during the whole thing. With this "new" method the camera centers on the Queen instead of the Hatchery, so that will only work if all Queens have the same position relative to their Hatcheries.
I end up losing all of the potential speed gain again by having to look where my Hatchery is and reposition the mouse cursor accordingly.
I have the same problem. i try to position my queens on the right side of the hatch, but this is not easy during mid-late game.
I also use different keys to stay on the left side of the keypoard. istead of tilt, i use ^
For basecamera i use shift+^
I just have to slide my hand over shift and circumflex to do the inject and its very fast.
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double post by accident,
sorry for that
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On March 08 2011 00:11 szil4rd wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2011 23:58 Nolari wrote:
Just tried this new method out, and I can't say I'm a fan. Perhaps I'm "doing it wrong"?
With the "old" backspace inject method you can keep your mouse cursor still during the whole thing. With this "new" method the camera centers on the Queen instead of the Hatchery, so that will only work if all Queens have the same position relative to their Hatcheries.
I end up losing all of the potential speed gain again by having to look where my Hatchery is and reposition the mouse cursor accordingly. I have the same problem. i try to position my queens on the right side of the hatch, but this is not easy during mid-late game. I also use different keys to stay on the left side of the keypoard. istead of tilt, i use ^ For basecamera i use shift+^ I just have to slide my hand over shift and circumflex to do the inject and its very fast.
The new method is no different. If your queens are a little off you may have to move your cursor a little yes.
I prefer w as base camera, e for inject, 4 for all queens, shift+e as follow current selection. I then hit shift + E (don't hold), E, hold shift and then I cycle with w and click.
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Why can't you just press S after injecting to tell all your queens to stop in case they're making a journey.....
easier and doesn't require messing around with hotkeys
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