ROOT Gaming wants to welcome the well-known zerg player, Destiny, to the ROOT Roster! To introduce him to our fans, I sat down with him and asked the new ROOT member some questions!
RG: What sort of skills or attributes do you think you bring to the ROOT roster that makes you unique?
SB: I try to find creative solutions to problems I see in matchups. I don't watch very many pro-gamers, or try to imitate styles much, unless there's a particular strategy I'm having a lot of trouble with. This has lead me to some fairly creative builds that I don't see too much from other Z players that I've found a lot of success with. I think my current one-base ZvZ is a decent example of that.
I also got ahold of CatZ and was able to get him to talk about ROOT's new acquisition!
ROOT Gaming (RG): Paulo, what initially drew you to look at Destiny as a potential ROOT player?
Paulo Vizcarra (PV): Since the beta, Destiny was one of the zerg players that I really liked. I never thought of him as a Top Tier player, but he was always close. However, much of what he said is true and has been true in my eyes for a while. Like me, he likes to figure out stuff on his own and use his own brain, where most players act like sheep and just copy what others do without trying to understand the game. This is a quality that most if not all Top Tier players have, using your brain and creativity is probably the hardest thing to teach or come around, and Destiny already has it in him.
On March 02 2011 16:59 duk3 wrote: Awesome, I saw that coming :D
Me, too. He has great friends in root (notably ROOTMinigun) and he constantly practices against him, too. He's also played Drewbie and CatZ a number of times so I had a feeling that he'd be recruited by ROOT sometime.
On March 02 2011 17:09 Grantler wrote: JTV Fame =/= skill Haven't really been impressed by Destiny yet, but who knows.
Read the interviews, he doesn't consider himself a top tier player right now either. CatZ says he sees potential and the time commitment from Destiny, and I think that's a big part of why he was picked up.
Wow, wonder what caused this, the showmatch win against Optikzero?
I feel like I should be happier; one of my favorite streamers joining my favorite team. But I think Steve's voice is going to make root ventrilo chats a lot more noisy and less calm o.o
On another note, I've been memorizing ROOT members names recently. Paulo Vizcarra, Andrew Moysey, Chad Jones, JUNGHO, Jonathan Garneau, Kevin Riley, Josue Sauvageau, (Don't know slush's :/)... and now..
STEVEN BONNELL II
by the way, on the Roster page, it should be "Management" not "Managment" ^^
I usually like to tune in to Destiny's stream to experience his rather colorful personality and language. Sometimes you get some hilarious 2v2s. Sometimes you get him hanging out with Cella.
I had a feeling that stuff was going on between him and Root after finding Catz, Drewbie, and Minigun hanging out a lot with him on his stream lately. It's nice for him to finally be picked up.
Lol, very cool. I've been watching his stream for so long, but noticed lately that he is working a lot more constructively towards becoming the best player he can be, so this is just another important step towards that.
On March 02 2011 17:18 hiyo_bye wrote: Wow, wonder what caused this, the showmatch win against Optikzero?
I feel like I should be happier; one of my favorite streamers joining my favorite team. But I think Steve's voice is going to make root ventrilo chats a lot more noisy and less calm o.o
On another note, I've been memorizing ROOT members names recently. Paulo Vizcarra, Andrew Moysey, Chad Jones, JUNGHO, Jonathan Garneau, Kevin Riley, Josue Sauvageau, (Don't know slush's :/)... and now..
STEVEN BONNELL II
by the way, on the Roster page, it should be "Management" not "Managment" ^^
On March 02 2011 17:12 GrazerRinge wrote: I enjoyed his stream so much and learned tons of stuff what i use in ladder more and more!
i wish him and ROOT best luck!
the retard-magnet ?
best luck at root, destiny!
User was warned for this post
The retard magnet is one if the most popular destiny videos on youtube. Pretty sure this guy shouldn't have been warned for this ;x It is a compliment not a flame. Not that warns really matter.
On March 02 2011 17:12 GrazerRinge wrote: I enjoyed his stream so much and learned tons of stuff what i use in ladder more and more!
i wish him and ROOT best luck!
the retard-magnet ?
best luck at root, destiny!
User was warned for this post
The retard magnet is one if the most popular destiny videos on youtube. Pretty sure this guy shouldn't have been warned for this ;x It is a compliment not a flame. Not that warns really matter.
yes, thats what i meant, didnt want to flame anybody here...
Guys this is politics, dont act surprised.. He will bring the team lots of money its a pretty easy decision to understand. Piqliq is actually way better than him , and way higher ranked- but hes not popular so we won't be seeing EG.piqliq.
Similar decisions: Sponsoring madfrog for so long with no results.
On March 02 2011 17:46 FuSioN722 wrote: Guys this is politics, dont act surprised.. He will bring the team lots of money its a pretty easy decision to understand. Piqliq is actually way better than him , and way higher ranked- but hes not popular so we won't be seeing EG.piqliq.
Similar decisions: Sponsoring madfrog for so long with no results.
The difference being Destiny has good mechanics and wins macro games, Piqliq is just some cheesy abusive protoss player that wins a lot of ladder games.
The decision is a lot less complicated, and there's a lot less room for speculations than people want to think. Put simply: there aren't many good zergs out there, and ROOT has ALWAYS scouted for potential and built our own players. we observed and played with Destiny plenty before he got an invite. Is he ROOT level? not yet. Does he have the potential to be? Absolutely, he has amazing potential, great game sense, a fully functioning brain and good mechanics, just needs some fine tuning. Soon enough he will be a beast, so see it as an 'investment' if you will. He's a great guy, fun to be around with, and most importantly, dedicated to the game and with the right mindset and goals that everyone in ROOT shares in common.
Try and think of any ROOT player before they joined ROOT... aside from Minigun who was already at the top of the ladder, no one was 'known' so to say. Is DdoRo well known? not as much as some of our other members, but we recruited him because he has the potential to become a beast, and he has been doing well lately and posting great results, so has Minigun.
Minigun had never won a tournament, and when I recruited him to join ROOT, he was probably 1-10 against me, not exaggerating, you could ask him yourself. Last time I played Minigun, I got raped. Magic? no. We scouted for Potential and that's what pays off for us, its what we've done from the start and what we plan to do in the future.
ROOT never had the luxury of having sponsors from the start or a well known name to work with and recruit whoever we wanted, but we did have enough experience and dedication to identify skill and potential and did the best we could with the knowledge and goals we had.
PiQLiQ is a great player sure, I don't nessesarily like him and I beat him the last few times we played, but he's certainly very smart and has tons of potential. Would we have considered PiQLiQ? maybe if we needed a Protoss, but at this point in time we needed a Zerg, and if there's another pickup it'll be a Terran, and you probably shouldn't even try to guess, because if we do end up recruiting one, it'll probably be based on potential, talent and dedication, like we've always done.
So, welcome Steven<3! and thank you to all of our supporters, please check out our website where the full interviews are located, and feel free to leave comments there as well.
Great! I only recently started tuning in to his stream but he's an interesting and innovative player. Maybe the issues surrounding featuring his stream can be resolved
The decision is a lot less complicated, and there's a lot less room for speculations than people want to think. Put simply: there aren't many good zergs out there, and ROOT has ALWAYS scouted for potential and built our own players. we observed and played with Destiny plenty before he got an invite. Is he ROOT level? not yet. Does he have the potential to be? Absolutely, he has amazing potential, great game sense, a fully functioning brain and good mechanics, just needs some fine tuning. Soon enough he will be a beast, so see it as an 'investment' if you will. He's a great guy, fun to be around with, and most importantly, dedicated to the game and with the right mindset and goals that everyone in ROOT shares in common.
Try and think of any ROOT player before they joined ROOT... aside from Minigun who was already at the top of the ladder, no one was 'known' so to say. Is DdoRo well known? not as much as some of our other members, but we recruited him because he has the potential to become a beast, and he has been doing well lately and posting great results, so has Minigun.
Minigun had never won a tournament, and when I recruited him to join ROOT, he was probably 1-10 against me, not exaggerating, you could ask him yourself. Last time I played Minigun, I got raped. Magic? no. We scouted for Potential and that's what pays off for us, its what we've done from the start and what we plan to do in the future.
ROOT never had the luxury of having sponsors from the start or a well known name to work with and recruit whoever we wanted, but we did have enough experience and dedication to identify skill and potential and did the best we could with the knowledge and goals we had.
PiQLiQ is a great player sure, I don't nessesarily like him and I beat him the last few times we played, but he's certainly very smart and has tons of potential. Would we have considered PiQLiQ? maybe if we needed a Protoss, but at this point in time we needed a Zerg, and if there's another pickup it'll be a Terran, and you probably shouldn't even try to guess, because if we do end up recruiting one, it'll probably be based on potential, talent and dedication, like we've always done.
So, welcome Steven<3! and thank you to all of our supporters, please check out our website where the full interviews are located, and feel free to leave comments there as well.
Love you all, c u.
I think you guys should get PiQLiQ in some of your training sessions ^^
I know you guys always say how ROOT has no A team or B team, but based on your post it seems that DdoRo and Destiny are slightly lower on your depth chart.
However, this is my personal opinion on your A team and B team + Show Spoiler +
Completely based on how much I like each player, that is: A Team: CatZ, drewbie, Mini B Team: Steve, qxc, Kiwi
I like Jungho and Slush but I don't watch their streams nearly as much XD
And yes I definatly agree, I have been following destiny's stream since the beta, and I had seen him interact with a lot of higher level players in the last weeks, including some root people recently, and I was kinda hoping he got picked up by root.
So I'm looking forward to seeing him improve to a level where he can compete with the top, and not only is this good for him, but to me it also seems good for root because let's face it, even if he has been a bit of a "loner", the guy is very popular and well known.
It's good for both sides, personally speaking. The funny, albeit R18, side of Steven masks the potential he has I think. Even though he rages a lot and does a lot of unorthodox strats, it helps the game grow and creates this dont-need-to-be-like-them atmosphere to it. Add to this the incredible team he has now, it will be an incredible partnership imho.
Looking forward to the growth of steven. And, of course, can't wait to see him stream his games against minigun and his "unstoppable" 4 gate strat again! lol!
The decision is a lot less complicated, and there's a lot less room for speculations than people want to think. Put simply: there aren't many good zergs out there, and ROOT has ALWAYS scouted for potential and built our own players. we observed and played with Destiny plenty before he got an invite. Is he ROOT level? not yet. Does he have the potential to be? Absolutely, he has amazing potential, great game sense, a fully functioning brain and good mechanics, just needs some fine tuning. Soon enough he will be a beast, so see it as an 'investment' if you will. He's a great guy, fun to be around with, and most importantly, dedicated to the game and with the right mindset and goals that everyone in ROOT shares in common.
Try and think of any ROOT player before they joined ROOT... aside from Minigun who was already at the top of the ladder, no one was 'known' so to say. Is DdoRo well known? not as much as some of our other members, but we recruited him because he has the potential to become a beast, and he has been doing well lately and posting great results, so has Minigun.
Minigun had never won a tournament, and when I recruited him to join ROOT, he was probably 1-10 against me, not exaggerating, you could ask him yourself. Last time I played Minigun, I got raped. Magic? no. We scouted for Potential and that's what pays off for us, its what we've done from the start and what we plan to do in the future.
ROOT never had the luxury of having sponsors from the start or a well known name to work with and recruit whoever we wanted, but we did have enough experience and dedication to identify skill and potential and did the best we could with the knowledge and goals we had.
PiQLiQ is a great player sure, I don't nessesarily like him and I beat him the last few times we played, but he's certainly very smart and has tons of potential. Would we have considered PiQLiQ? maybe if we needed a Protoss, but at this point in time we needed a Zerg, and if there's another pickup it'll be a Terran, and you probably shouldn't even try to guess, because if we do end up recruiting one, it'll probably be based on potential, talent and dedication, like we've always done.
So, welcome Steven<3! and thank you to all of our supporters, please check out our website where the full interviews are located, and feel free to leave comments there as well.
Love you all, c u.
I think you guys should get PiQLiQ in some of your training sessions ^^
I know you guys always say how ROOT has no A team or B team, but based on your post it seems that DdoRo and Destiny are slightly lower on your depth chart.
However, this is my personal opinion on your A team and B team + Show Spoiler +
Completely based on how much I like each player, that is: A Team: CatZ, drewbie, Mini B Team: Steve, qxc, Kiwi
I like Jungho and Slush but I don't watch their streams nearly as much XD
I said we don't have a "B" team and we don't. and DdoRo is not lower than anyone, he all killed Fnatic not long ago and won a couple of smaller sized tournaments. He just hasn't had as much exposure as the rest, or chances to prove himself, as he was one of our later recruits Steven isn't bad by any means, but isn't at his full potential yet, but we wouldn't recruit anyone who wasn't meant to excel at this game.
Minigun had never won a tournament, and when I recruited him to join ROOT, he was probably 1-10 against me, not exaggerating, you could ask him yourself. Last time I played Minigun, I got raped.
The night Mini beat Steven for the $50, we watched about 6 games of chad vs paulo, and chad vs steve. Chad was undefeated from literally about 15 games.
Dudes a motherfucking monster.
Comment about there "not being many good zergs right now" is extremely valid too. I look forward to watching not only ROOT develop, but also Destiny. Also look forward to a Zerg buff to see what Steve is actually capable of.
Very happy for Steven, tbh I don't think anyone would have seen this coming 2 months ago (only recently has he been playing a lot with minigun and sometimes with catz).
Ugh..unlikable move. He's not really that kind of person who helps a team lift its professionalism, so I really have no idea for this move other than just boost their site-numbers.
Hopefully I'm wrong and it ends up well. We'll see!
Congratulations Destiny! He certainly runs a very entertaining stream. From reading the interview it sounds like Root recognizes that Destiny isn't a top-tier player yet and that they are willing to work to get him to that level, so that's very good to hear.
Something I'm noticing throughout this thread is the use of 'Steven' instead of Destiny, and the use of 'Chad' and 'Paulo' instead of Minigun and CatZ. That level of 'personal' is really awesome for the fans, I think.
Congrats to Destiny and good luck to him and ROOT in the future~!
HUUUGE! My sixth senses saw this coming. Happy for Destiny, especially since he's been improving at an alarming rate IMO. Things are finally starting to come into place for him.
On March 02 2011 18:35 willeesmalls wrote: I think the audience that Destiny brings is more valuable currently than his playing capabilities - he doesn't crack the top50 for NA zergs.
Ain't hating though, Destiny is fun to watch.
Are you sure? I've seen him as high as #42 on Blizzard's Top 200 list.
Anyways, congrats to Destiny and best of luck to him and ROOT!
It's not about how good he is relative to everyone else right now, it's the fact that he was one of the best unsigned players on NA if you don't include gimmicky/abusive players and maybe the best teamless Zerg.
Destiny Fighting!!! I've been expecting this over the past weeks. It's been nice to see Destiny theorycrafting with minigun and catz for hours at a time. I feel like they were considering him and gave him a 2 week long tryout and finally accepted him when they felt he was good/dedicated enough.
On March 02 2011 18:32 LittLeD wrote: Ugh..unlikable move. He's not really that kind of person who helps a team lift its professionalism, so I really have no idea for this move other than just boost their site-numbers.
Hopefully I'm wrong and it ends up well. We'll see!
Have you been watching Stevens stream the last month?
Great news. Steven needs a good group of practice partners to get to the next level.
I always loved Destinies unique builds, even at bad times of abusing Zergs he always found ways to win (like going fast one base nydus/hydra after getting pylon+cannon blocked).
I think some people really have it in for him based on small snippets they've seen. There is a lot more to Steve than most people think. Can't wait for more practice sessions to watch.
On March 02 2011 17:19 Saracen wrote: are you serious...
Are you serious? Have some respect. This thread is not about Destiny as a player, it's about his accomplishment making it on ROOT's team. Shouldn't you know the forum etiquette? Either way, it's completely their decision - not yours.
You're supposed to be a TL mod, but you act like a common whiny flamer, posting rude and demeaning comments. Destiny is a respected member of this community, and from what you can read above, Catz has legitimate reasons for Destiny's acquisition.
Therefore, and I may be banned for even saying this (but I feel it is my right to stand up for this belief), I believe that not only did you overstep your bounds as both a TL mod (who should abide by TL rules and set an example of respect to the community) but as a poster as well. As thus, I truly believe you deserve a temp ban, as would have been standardly issued to any other average troll/flamer.
On March 02 2011 17:19 Saracen wrote: are you serious...
Are you serious? Have some respect. This thread is not about Destiny as a player, it's about his accomplishment making it on ROOT's team. Shouldn't you know the forum etiquette? Either way, it's completely their decision - not yours.
You're supposed to be a TL mod, but you act like a common whiny flamer, posting rude and demeaning comments. Destiny is a respected member of this community, and from what you can read above, Catz has legitimate reasons for Destiny's acquisition.
Therefore, and I may be banned for even saying this (but I feel it is my right to stand up for this belief), I believe that not only did you overstep your bounds as both a TL mod (who should abide by TL rules and set an example of respect to the community) but as a poster as well. As thus, I truly believe you deserve a temp ban, as would have been standardly issued to any other average troll/flamer.
On March 02 2011 17:19 Saracen wrote: are you serious...
Are you serious? Have some respect. This thread is not about Destiny as a player, it's about his accomplishment making it on ROOT's team. Shouldn't you know the forum etiquette? Either way, it's completely their decision - not yours.
You're supposed to be a TL mod, but you act like a common whiny flamer, posting rude and demeaning comments. Destiny is a respected member of this community, and from what you can read above, Catz has legitimate reasons for Destiny's acquisition.
Therefore, and I may be banned for even saying this (but I feel it is my right to stand up for this belief), I believe that not only did you overstep your bounds as both a TL mod (who should abide by TL rules and set an example of respect to the community) but as a poster as well. As thus, I truly believe you deserve a temp ban, as would have been standardly issued to any other average troll/flamer.
Sweet move by ROOT, im a fan of Destiny's play, hes very creative. mix that creativity with the solid play of ROOT members and i think you have a recipe for a solid player.
looking forwards to observing the future of Stevens SC2 career.
Hmm. I havnt really watched his stream as Ive always found him abit whiny/too loudmouthed (he used to be imo atleast), is he a good player at all? Like, I havnt rly seen him in anything, and i havnt heard about him at all.
On March 02 2011 17:46 FuSioN722 wrote: Guys this is politics, dont act surprised.. He will bring the team lots of money its a pretty easy decision to understand. Piqliq is actually way better than him , and way higher ranked- but hes not popular so we won't be seeing EG.piqliq.
Similar decisions: Sponsoring madfrog for so long with no results.
The difference being Destiny has good mechanics and wins macro games, Piqliq is just some cheesy abusive protoss player that wins a lot of ladder games.
Yeah, saying they should pick up Piqliq is close to saying they should have picked up Combat-ex... the only reason they are high ranked is consistently cheesing well on the ladder. In a tournament, that is going to get destroyed, and Root wants players that are solid all around.
I have been expecting this since Minigun first started practicing with Destiny on stream, and then Catz came in too, so excellent job, I expect destiny to bring Root fame and gain.
NICE! i KNEW that they were gonna recruit him, he was spending so much time playing with the ROOT guys (Catz and Mini and Drewbie mostly) congratulations Destiny!.
On March 02 2011 20:03 CryMeAReaper wrote: Hmm. I havnt really watched his stream as Ive always found him abit whiny/too loudmouthed (he used to be imo atleast), is he a good player at all? Like, I havnt rly seen him in anything, and i havnt heard about him at all.
On March 02 2011 17:12 GrazerRinge wrote: I enjoyed his stream so much and learned tons of stuff what i use in ladder more and more!
i wish him and ROOT best luck!
the retard-magnet ?
best luck at root, destiny!
User was warned for this post
The retard magnet is one if the most popular destiny videos on youtube. Pretty sure this guy shouldn't have been warned for this ;x It is a compliment not a flame. Not that warns really matter.
Thanks, I've made a note for the other mods to ignore that warning.
On March 02 2011 17:19 Saracen wrote: are you serious...
Are you serious? Have some respect. This thread is not about Destiny as a player, it's about his accomplishment making it on ROOT's team. Shouldn't you know the forum etiquette? Either way, it's completely their decision - not yours.
You're supposed to be a TL mod, but you act like a common whiny flamer, posting rude and demeaning comments. Destiny is a respected member of this community, and from what you can read above, Catz has legitimate reasons for Destiny's acquisition.
Therefore, and I may be banned for even saying this (but I feel it is my right to stand up for this belief), I believe that not only did you overstep your bounds as both a TL mod (who should abide by TL rules and set an example of respect to the community) but as a poster as well. As thus, I truly believe you deserve a temp ban, as would have been standardly issued to any other average troll/flamer.
I checked this thread, and the only post by Saracen is the one you quoted: "Are you serious...". It's an expression of surprise or disbelief which you seem to read a lot into. I wouldn't warn/ban a normal user for that, and there's no reason to do so for a mod.
I am warning you, not for standing up for your beliefs, but for calling a mod, who has spent a ton of time improving the community, a "common whiny flamer" based on a single ambiguous comment. If you expressed your opinion in a more reasonable manner, I would have had no problem it.
On March 02 2011 18:32 LittLeD wrote: Ugh..unlikable move. He's not really that kind of person who helps a team lift its professionalism, so I really have no idea for this move other than just boost their site-numbers.
Hopefully I'm wrong and it ends up well. We'll see!
You spout the same crap about IdrA.
Teams are about finding players and winning tourneys, not having a roster of saints.
On March 02 2011 20:03 CryMeAReaper wrote: Hmm. I havnt really watched his stream as Ive always found him abit whiny/too loudmouthed (he used to be imo atleast), is he a good player at all? Like, I havnt rly seen him in anything, and i havnt heard about him at all.
Destiny's stream is always fun. Hopefully he'll get some more competetive exposure now and we can see whether his interesting strats work against really good players.
On March 02 2011 20:52 CryMeAReaper wrote: you can always scrap together clips that makes players look good :p im talking a vod or something vs a professional player.
I could try a million years but I would never be able to scrap together of clips where I beat players like antimage or opticzero..
I would pay money to see Destiny win a bo7 ZvZ vs Idra doing his full gamut of cheese and one base play. 7 pool, then 7 pool into macro, then 1 base roach/hydra/infestor, then burrowed infestor harass for the win.
GL to Steve....my only complaint is that he is now on too early, and I never get to watch him.
On March 02 2011 17:01 Vishido wrote: Standard recruiting. Grats to Destiny! Hopefully see you at NASL?
Joining root probably will reduce his chances of getting into NASL no?
But good luck destiny. Hope he will follow mini's footstep and establish himself in the competitive scene.
I'm pretty sure the way the tournament works is that you have to be on a team because of the accountability that professional offer. That way, Destiny definitely has a much larger chance at participating in the NASL and I really hope he does great things!
Didn't see that coming, congrats though. Kind of seems weird, but I don't really have any idea of how good or bad he is. But it would be hard to imagine Catz doesn't know what he's talking about.
hopefully he'll be able to absorb some knowledge from the other root zergs and put in some big practice with the other root members. can't wait to see how much he improves a month from now
congrats to Destiny. great stepping stone for him. good luck with ROOT. i know i and a lot of people support ROOT and their decisions and look forward to see you grow in sc2 as a ROOT member.
some people may just be biased against Destiny because they think he is just one big troll, which I thought as well. but as i watched his stream more, i realized he actually LOVES sc2 and is a very intelligent person. he is pretty witty as well with a good sense of humor and outlook in life. he can probably talk and theorycraft about sc2 all day and now he has a chance to with the great players in ROOT.
Oh man this is really exciting! Wasn't a big fan of Destiny until I started watching his streams. The guy is hilarious and shows some serious potential. Looking forward to the future of Root gaming!!
I dont mind teams picking up personalities, especially if they have the type of potential CatZ seems to see in Destiny. My only hope is that his team associations dont force him to water down his fan interactions. Destiny is basically the likable combat-ex and its easy to see why professional organizations might be scared hiring somebody who might have legitimate confrontations at live events. I commend root for taking this risk on one of my favorite streamers. Good LUCK Destiny!!!!!
VERY deserved this is just GREAT news! He showed sooo much improvement in the last weeks since he got serious. All those haters should watch him more often while training with the ROOT guys he is improving on a very high levle
On March 02 2011 17:09 Grantler wrote: JTV Fame =/= skill Haven't really been impressed by Destiny yet, but who knows.
I completely agree. He has a lot of fans, but so does Husky and neither are particularly great at playing the game. I don't really understand why a top team would recruit him without any accomplishments to his name. The only other player who was this unqualified and recruited by ROOT was Minigun and he was at least #1 on the ladder.
While Destiny may not be at the top of the ladder, CatZ's point that he has a lot of potential means more than people give it credit for. This is compounded by the fact that Steven can get really dedicated into becoming a player (versus having to worry about things such as coaching), and that he gets along really well with the ROOT squad. Team chemistry and a constructive practice environment can be just as, or perhaps even more, important than individual skill.
As much as I like watching Destiny's stream, I think I have now gone from ROOT fan #1 to maybe ROOT fan #10. Hopefully Destiny pulls a Mini and gets waaaaaaaay better after recruitment. This may knock a ROOT member out of NASL competition too. Catz/Drewbie/qxc/Mini/Slush or Ddoro was going to be the lineup I thought.
Raising questions about Destiny's abilities is fine, but comparing him to husky is harsh. A lot of his value as a team member is in his fanbase, but he built that fanbase by being good at sc2 as well as his entertainment value from being a dick to people. I don't know why exactly people are attracted to doucheyness, but whatever.
Destiny demolished Orb (not really an achievement, but remember that we invited Orb to one of the TL tournaments and he took a game from IdrA). At the very least, destiny is a good zerg who ladders alot.
On March 03 2011 00:54 TheTenthDoc wrote: As much as I like watching Destiny's stream, I think I have now gone from ROOT fan #1 to maybe ROOT fan #10. Hopefully Destiny pulls a Mini and gets waaaaaaaay better after recruitment. This may knock a ROOT member out of NASL competition too. Catz/Drewbie/qxc/Mini/Slush or Ddoro was going to be the lineup I thought.
the only one that destiny can replace is catz , in term of skill(catz isnt even in roster hes in management squad)
about "this may knock a ROOT member out of NASL competition too"Simply LOL , Kiwi/qxc/slush/mini/ddoro , there is no place for a mid lvl player
On March 03 2011 00:54 TheTenthDoc wrote: As much as I like watching Destiny's stream, I think I have now gone from ROOT fan #1 to maybe ROOT fan #10. Hopefully Destiny pulls a Mini and gets waaaaaaaay better after recruitment. This may knock a ROOT member out of NASL competition too. Catz/Drewbie/qxc/Mini/Slush or Ddoro was going to be the lineup I thought.
the only one that destiny can replace is catz , in term of skill(catz isnt even in roster hes in management squad)
about "this may knock a ROOT member out of NASL competition too"Simply LOL , Kiwi/qxc/slush/mini/ddoro , there is no place for a mid lvl player
In the clan wars I've watched (GCPL/SCL) Catz has outperformed Ddoro as far as I can tell. Catz won the jtv invitational too. Maybe I just haven't watched Ddoro play that much? Oh yeah, I definitely missed Kiwi in that NASL lineup what is wrong with me. Kiwi/qxc/mini/Drewbie/??? may be their best shot.
Most of you people bashing destiny for his skill apparently hasn't been watching him too much lately. Sure, he's still a bit below the rest of their roster, but with the way he practices and analyzes the game, i think he has a great shot to be a really solid player.
Didn't expect this. I always thought of Destiny as a follow up to Trump streaming less who was a follow up to orb streaming less. It's always one popular streamer with a microphone who reads chat leading to the next when one dies down.
Not sure how much Destiny will help to the team's results in CW's and leagues but that'll remain to be seen. Congrats to both parties, they seem to be very happy with their results.
Im not going to lie destiny isnt one of my favorite players, compared to the other pros he just isnt as good to me. But if I see him start winning in some nice matches my mind is easily changed =)
On March 02 2011 17:09 Grantler wrote: JTV Fame =/= skill Haven't really been impressed by Destiny yet, but who knows.
=/ Agreed. I was tempted to start this with "I don't have anything against the guy," but every time I played him on ladder I'd get messages from people about how he was bming me like crazy on stream. I assume he changed his strategy from roach rushing every game... cause I beat him every time with autorepair at wall until a banshee popped out.
<3 ROOT though, maybe they'll influence him for the better.
On March 02 2011 17:12 GrazerRinge wrote: I enjoyed his stream so much and learned tons of stuff what i use in ladder more and more!
i wish him and ROOT best luck!
the retard-magnet ?
best luck at root, destiny!
User was warned for this post
The retard magnet is one if the most popular destiny videos on youtube. Pretty sure this guy shouldn't have been warned for this ;x It is a compliment not a flame. Not that warns really matter.
Thanks, I've made a note for the other mods to ignore that warning.
On March 02 2011 17:19 Saracen wrote: are you serious...
Are you serious? Have some respect. This thread is not about Destiny as a player, it's about his accomplishment making it on ROOT's team. Shouldn't you know the forum etiquette? Either way, it's completely their decision - not yours.
You're supposed to be a TL mod, but you act like a common whiny flamer, posting rude and demeaning comments. Destiny is a respected member of this community, and from what you can read above, Catz has legitimate reasons for Destiny's acquisition.
Therefore, and I may be banned for even saying this (but I feel it is my right to stand up for this belief), I believe that not only did you overstep your bounds as both a TL mod (who should abide by TL rules and set an example of respect to the community) but as a poster as well. As thus, I truly believe you deserve a temp ban, as would have been standardly issued to any other average troll/flamer.
I checked this thread, and the only post by Saracen is the one you quoted: "Are you serious...". It's an expression of surprise or disbelief which you seem to read a lot into. I wouldn't warn/ban a normal user for that, and there's no reason to do so for a mod.
I am warning you, not for standing up for your beliefs, but for calling a mod, who has spent a ton of time improving the community, a "common whiny flamer" based on a single ambiguous comment. If you expressed your opinion in a more reasonable manner, I would have had no problem it.
Because he did not display any type of 'pleasant' disbelief, it can only imply negativity. (I.e. Disbelief that Destiny made the team, which is not positive). I canthink of no way that this can be ambiguous because nobody posts a post like this, especially with the use of the ellipsis, that is simply neutral. Because it is not positive, it must then be negative.
Also, I apologize for assuming that you would normally temp ban a user for saying such a thing if that is not true.
Destiny is a talented player and he has recently become a bit more serious with his stream. He is not as bm anymore while still entertaining his uhhh.... interesting fans. I think he will become a great player and hope to see him at some of these bigger events now. gl Destiny
Congrats Steven! I think joining ROOT will make him a much better player in the long-term. I have faith that they wouldn't ask him to join unless they had confidence in his skill. It makes me sad how cliquey people are about Steven, tons of backhanded compliments and people taking themselves far too seriously.
CONGRATS!!! been watching him since the beta this i awesome! I've always thought he could be good enough if he actually... like... watched his own replays and tried new strategies. It's been awesome watching him do that in the past couple of months and its sooo cool to see that it's paying off. also, he's not that BM lately! he just talks shit while he plays but a lot of people do that, just not usually while streaming.
On March 02 2011 17:09 Grantler wrote: JTV Fame =/= skill Haven't really been impressed by Destiny yet, but who knows.
I completely agree. He has a lot of fans, but so does Husky and neither are particularly great at playing the game. I don't really understand why a top team would recruit him without any accomplishments to his name. The only other player who was this unqualified and recruited by ROOT was Minigun and he was at least #1 on the ladder.
clearly, not only have you not read the interviews, but also you didn't read my post, and also you never followed ROOT. I can't stand people who blindly comment and talk as if they knew it all...
So please... tell me some of ROOT's players acomplishments before they joined ROOT... see if you can come up with... 1 maybe per player. HIGHLY doubt it, BECAUSE WE HAVE ALWAYS SCOUTED AND RECRUITED BASED ON POTENTIAL. (except maybe minigun who was #1 on the ladder, but still wasn't very good at all when he joined us, and he knew it back then, he just had potential)
like this post there are a good 20-25 others, some guy saying "im not even in ROOT's lineup im in management" me and drew are listed in on ROOT as Leaders of the team because WE MADE THE TEAM and because we LEAD the team. This is not to say we're not players, it means we're also more than that and if you were someone who needed to talk to the team, that we are the point of contact, as opposed to any other player. I am the highest rated ROOT player on the ladder for what that's worth, and I do quite well vs other teammates in practice games.
either way, I don't ask you to like this descision, and I wont say i don't care if the community doesn't like it, obviously what this game is, we all owe to the community. But if your initial reaction is against, please take a time to read the reasoning behind this in the interview or previous posts, and if you have the time go watch Steven's stream some, i guarantee the more you watch, the more you'll realize he's a great guy.
I love the prejudging on this thread. Destiny is one of the best zergs out there and has been practicing pretty hard lately and has shown a pretty big commitment to the game. It would be stupid for Root not to take him in and help him and others improve.
I'll be honest, I enjoyed Destiny's stream more before he got a ton of fans, he was more laid back and always made fun of something or someone during his matches, which was more entertaining to me than mostly lessons or serious practice like it is now. Though best of luck to him, he has definitely gotten a lot better and is a very smart player.
Congrats to Destiny it's cool to see people get the chance to prove themselves and climb the rung. Everyone has to start somewhere. Pretty cool of Root to give players that need an extra boost a chance.
Destiny should focus on improving his games more. I mean fans are great, and streaming is good and all but at the end of the day, winning games are far more important for his success in the long run. I foresee Destiny participating in a lot of tournaments in the upcoming dates, and lets hope he can get some good practice with Root members. [ROOTminigun in particular and dde... i think he lost like 10 in a row T_T, i was hopeless after watching his stream]
Destiny is infamous for his rage videos, but as far as I can tell he is really dedicated to getting better. He really likes to talk theory and does so quite well. I see him bounce ideas off other pros on his stream and constantly tries to figure out ways to improve his game. I think it's a great pick up for Root.
On March 02 2011 17:09 Grantler wrote: JTV Fame =/= skill Haven't really been impressed by Destiny yet, but who knows.
Overlord retard magnet man!! Destiny is strategically quite strong, this team will help him tighten up the mechanics, and learn to deal with specific new builds more quickly and easily.
Congrats to destiny. I don't think he's on Catz's or Slush's level, but I feel he'll bring in support for Root and probably develop into a great player
Congrats to both ROOT and Destiny. I see this as a great move on both sides and I hope to see even more great things from both team and player in the future.
Fans that ROOT may have "lost" because of this are fans that aren't worth having.
On March 02 2011 17:19 Saracen wrote: are you serious...
Only Tl mods can write that, And NOT get a temp ban lol
I typically enjoy the heavy moderation of TL, but the mods need to have a personal and professional account, and if they do, to respect those boundaries.
That's not a quote that we want to be representative of the Mods of TL.
On March 02 2011 17:19 Saracen wrote: are you serious...
Are you serious? Have some respect. This thread is not about Destiny as a player, it's about his accomplishment making it on ROOT's team. Shouldn't you know the forum etiquette? Either way, it's completely their decision - not yours.
You're supposed to be a TL mod, but you act like a common whiny flamer, posting rude and demeaning comments. Destiny is a respected member of this community, and from what you can read above, Catz has legitimate reasons for Destiny's acquisition.
Therefore, and I may be banned for even saying this (but I feel it is my right to stand up for this belief), I believe that not only did you overstep your bounds as both a TL mod (who should abide by TL rules and set an example of respect to the community) but as a poster as well. As thus, I truly believe you deserve a temp ban, as would have been standardly issued to any other average troll/flamer.
User was warned for this post
Not trying to derail topic or anything, but warnings like this are the reason why I'll never be a frequent poster on this site.
I'm mostly just a lurker on these forums, but honestly the amount of hate for someone getting onto a team is sad. Between this and the Kelly stuff I'm not sure what's wrong with people. He got onto a team they obviously like him,like playing with him, and think he has potential.
So he gets a chance to game with people get better and potentially play in tournaments. Instead of people being happy for someone getting an awesome opportunity, there are people who belittle or berate him and his new team for the decision.
Give it time if it works out then it works out if not it doesn't and who cares it didn't hurt anyone.
people who dont watch destiny often will most likely think he is bm, bad, and is overall a bad decision by root, but steven has said before that he cares about his image and he has a non-bm side. of course he won't bm in tournaments; he ggs and has good manner in tourneys and stuff, maybe not so much in ladder.
people who have been watching him lately probably have noticed that he has been playing more serious, also i think that he has been losing some viewers because of it; steven has a lot of viewers that watch him purely for entertainment.
steven has potential and he clearly has been working hard... just give him a chance lol
Seems like a perfect fit for the root team, it's cool to see the players grow with the game. Grats destiny for the sick team and grats root for the sick pickup.
On March 02 2011 17:19 Saracen wrote: are you serious...
Are you serious? Have some respect. This thread is not about Destiny as a player, it's about his accomplishment making it on ROOT's team. Shouldn't you know the forum etiquette? Either way, it's completely their decision - not yours.
You're supposed to be a TL mod, but you act like a common whiny flamer, posting rude and demeaning comments. Destiny is a respected member of this community, and from what you can read above, Catz has legitimate reasons for Destiny's acquisition.
Therefore, and I may be banned for even saying this (but I feel it is my right to stand up for this belief), I believe that not only did you overstep your bounds as both a TL mod (who should abide by TL rules and set an example of respect to the community) but as a poster as well. As thus, I truly believe you deserve a temp ban, as would have been standardly issued to any other average troll/flamer.
User was warned for this post
Not trying to derail topic or anything, but warnings like this are the reason why I'll never be a frequent poster on this site.
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If you say "I may be banned for saying this.." you get banned... he's pretty lucky its a warn.
Congrats to both Steve and ROOT. So happy to see CatZ and Destiny on the same team as they both provide really enjoyable matches. The last 2 games of the Optikzero showmatch last night were great fun!
Everyone bitching about destiny not being good enough needs to stop. Root isn't TeamLiquid, they didn't come into the beta with a full roster of proven players. Teams like Root can only be successful if they are scouting for talent and potential, not just going after whoever is big.
On March 02 2011 17:19 Saracen wrote: are you serious...
Are you serious? Have some respect. This thread is not about Destiny as a player, it's about his accomplishment making it on ROOT's team. Shouldn't you know the forum etiquette? Either way, it's completely their decision - not yours.
You're supposed to be a TL mod, but you act like a common whiny flamer, posting rude and demeaning comments. Destiny is a respected member of this community, and from what you can read above, Catz has legitimate reasons for Destiny's acquisition.
Therefore, and I may be banned for even saying this (but I feel it is my right to stand up for this belief), I believe that not only did you overstep your bounds as both a TL mod (who should abide by TL rules and set an example of respect to the community) but as a poster as well. As thus, I truly believe you deserve a temp ban, as would have been standardly issued to any other average troll/flamer.
User was warned for this post
Not trying to derail topic or anything, but warnings like this are the reason why I'll never be a frequent poster on this site.
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If you say "I may be banned for saying this.." you get banned... he's pretty lucky its a warn.
So regardless of how well the content is presented, how eloquent the delivery of the message, and how respectful the tone, the user gets banned?
Fuck zero tolerance rules, no matter how well they're hidden.
On March 02 2011 17:19 Saracen wrote: are you serious...
Are you serious? Have some respect. This thread is not about Destiny as a player, it's about his accomplishment making it on ROOT's team. Shouldn't you know the forum etiquette? Either way, it's completely their decision - not yours.
You're supposed to be a TL mod, but you act like a common whiny flamer, posting rude and demeaning comments. Destiny is a respected member of this community, and from what you can read above, Catz has legitimate reasons for Destiny's acquisition.
Therefore, and I may be banned for even saying this (but I feel it is my right to stand up for this belief), I believe that not only did you overstep your bounds as both a TL mod (who should abide by TL rules and set an example of respect to the community) but as a poster as well. As thus, I truly believe you deserve a temp ban, as would have been standardly issued to any other average troll/flamer.
User was warned for this post
Not trying to derail topic or anything, but warnings like this are the reason why I'll never be a frequent poster on this site.
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Yea and posts like this make me laugh. A) People need to chill the fuck out B) The internet is serious business yo.
Congratz to destiny though. His bm always makes me laugh.
On March 02 2011 17:19 Saracen wrote: are you serious...
Are you serious? Have some respect. This thread is not about Destiny as a player, it's about his accomplishment making it on ROOT's team. Shouldn't you know the forum etiquette? Either way, it's completely their decision - not yours.
You're supposed to be a TL mod, but you act like a common whiny flamer, posting rude and demeaning comments. Destiny is a respected member of this community, and from what you can read above, Catz has legitimate reasons for Destiny's acquisition.
Therefore, and I may be banned for even saying this (but I feel it is my right to stand up for this belief), I believe that not only did you overstep your bounds as both a TL mod (who should abide by TL rules and set an example of respect to the community) but as a poster as well. As thus, I truly believe you deserve a temp ban, as would have been standardly issued to any other average troll/flamer.
User was warned for this post
Not trying to derail topic or anything, but warnings like this are the reason why I'll never be a frequent poster on this site.
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Yea and posts like this make me laugh. A) People need to chill the fuck out B) The internet is serious business yo.
Congratz to destiny though. His bm always makes me laugh.
I have watched Steven since phase 1 of the beta and his improvement, for someone without practice partners, without experience in tournaments or lans is phenominal, truly he has grown as a player. Having said that the improvement since the turn of the year has been even better, he got some practice partners, got some attention and started veering towards actual practice over mass ladder and the improvement has been superb. I think potential is the right word, he has huge potential now that hes focusing on the game in the right way and this move can only help him.
Hmm. Not sure how much I agree with this. I like ROOT's philosophy of taking players that aren't quite there yet and helping them get there, like Minigun, but I think Destiny is still a little off of what Minigun was when he joined ROOT. Either way, fan of Steven and ROOT so I hope that Steven surprises me in a few months and rapes everyone.
On March 02 2011 17:19 Saracen wrote: are you serious...
Are you serious? Have some respect. This thread is not about Destiny as a player, it's about his accomplishment making it on ROOT's team. Shouldn't you know the forum etiquette? Either way, it's completely their decision - not yours.
You're supposed to be a TL mod, but you act like a common whiny flamer, posting rude and demeaning comments. Destiny is a respected member of this community, and from what you can read above, Catz has legitimate reasons for Destiny's acquisition.
Therefore, and I may be banned for even saying this (but I feel it is my right to stand up for this belief), I believe that not only did you overstep your bounds as both a TL mod (who should abide by TL rules and set an example of respect to the community) but as a poster as well. As thus, I truly believe you deserve a temp ban, as would have been standardly issued to any other average troll/flamer.
User was warned for this post
Not trying to derail topic or anything, but warnings like this are the reason why I'll never be a frequent poster on this site.
.____.
If you say "I may be banned for saying this.." you get banned... he's pretty lucky its a warn.
So regardless of how well the content is presented, how eloquent the delivery of the message, and how respectful the tone, the user gets banned?
Fuck zero tolerance rules, no matter how well they're hidden.
I suggest everyone in this thread relax and discuss the announcement. If you've got a problem with the moderation, there's a website feedback forum or you can PM one of the admins. If you followed the thread, you would see why he was warned for that post:
On March 02 2011 20:43 Daigomi wrote: I am warning you, not for standing up for your beliefs, but for calling a mod, who has spent a ton of time improving the community, a "common whiny flamer" based on a single ambiguous comment. If you expressed your opinion in a more reasonable manner, I would have had no problem it.
Congratulations to Destiny for being picked up by Root. As Catz said, players improve significantly once they join a team, be that team Root, Liquid, or EG, so it will be interesting to see what Destiny does.
On March 03 2011 03:18 Steven.Bonnell.II wrote: Not trying to derail topic or anything, but warnings like this are the reason why I'll never be a frequent poster on this site.
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Yea and posts like this make me laugh. A) People need to chill the fuck out B) The internet is serious business yo.
Congratz to destiny though. His bm always makes me laugh.
I haven't checked out much from Destiny, but if ROOT thinks he has potential then he must. Look forward to seeing what he can do for them and what they can do for him.
SLush and Catz helping him should be a huge improvement already.
On March 03 2011 04:25 Dubpace wrote: I keep refreshing thinking this is a bad joke.
Destiny is nowhere near the level of any other root member.
Buuuuh... its like that for almost every team.
Every team has one member is that not at the level of the others, thats why they join, so they can improve.
Do you think teamliquid could randomly find a player already at ret/jinro/tylers level? No. They would have to either take someone from another team or find someone with potential to train.
His stream was one of the most entertaining throughout the beta. I haven't been able to watch him much the last few months so this comes a little bit as a surprise but hopefully this means I get to see more of him. :=)
On March 03 2011 04:25 Dubpace wrote: I keep refreshing thinking this is a bad joke.
Destiny is nowhere near the level of any other root member.
Gotta love all the armchair critics.
Catz gonna train destiny good.
You do realize that 99% of the worlds commentators/critics/whatever are armchair critics right?
You do realize that 99% of people also should keep their mouths shut more often, right? ^^
I hope destiny is able to reach the level of other members of ROOT. Slush, Catz, and sheth when he was on root all have very unique playstyles and are fun to play against.
On March 02 2011 17:19 Saracen wrote: are you serious...
Are you serious? Have some respect. This thread is not about Destiny as a player, it's about his accomplishment making it on ROOT's team. Shouldn't you know the forum etiquette? Either way, it's completely their decision - not yours.
You're supposed to be a TL mod, but you act like a common whiny flamer, posting rude and demeaning comments. Destiny is a respected member of this community, and from what you can read above, Catz has legitimate reasons for Destiny's acquisition.
Therefore, and I may be banned for even saying this (but I feel it is my right to stand up for this belief), I believe that not only did you overstep your bounds as both a TL mod (who should abide by TL rules and set an example of respect to the community) but as a poster as well. As thus, I truly believe you deserve a temp ban, as would have been standardly issued to any other average troll/flamer.
User was warned for this post
Not trying to derail topic or anything, but warnings like this are the reason why I'll never be a frequent poster on this site.
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If you say "I may be banned for saying this.." you get banned... he's pretty lucky its a warn.
So regardless of how well the content is presented, how eloquent the delivery of the message, and how respectful the tone, the user gets banned?
I don't think there's ever a case where saying "I may be banned for saying this" or otherwise ban-baiting makes a post more eloquent or respectful.
OT: We now have a critical mass of proxy hatch. I'm not a fan of Destiny's stream, mostly because I feel bad for that girl he always yells at during 2v2s, but I was really impressed by his play versus Optikzero last night in their showmatch.
I love destiny; but he is the underdog of ROOT right now.
This will only give him the confidence to better and one day be a top tier player :D
GL!
also; person on second page shouldnt have gotten a warning. :S Out of context that does seem like a bad post, but if you have seen the retard magnet video you would know what he is talking about
On March 03 2011 04:25 Dubpace wrote: I keep refreshing thinking this is a bad joke.
Destiny is nowhere near the level of any other root member.
Gotta love all the armchair critics.
Catz gonna train destiny good.
You do realize that 99% of the worlds commentators/critics/whatever are armchair critics right?
You do realize that 99% of people also should keep their mouths shut more often, right? ^^
I hope destiny is able to reach the level of other members of ROOT. Slush, Catz, and sheth when he was on root all have very unique playstyles and are fun to play against.
:D
From what Catz says, Destiny is intelligent and with practice is capable of achieving really high levels of play despite what people might think of his current ability, so I hope the very same, but I also think it's quite possible!
On March 02 2011 17:19 Saracen wrote: are you serious...
Are you serious? Have some respect. This thread is not about Destiny as a player, it's about his accomplishment making it on ROOT's team. Shouldn't you know the forum etiquette? Either way, it's completely their decision - not yours.
You're supposed to be a TL mod, but you act like a common whiny flamer, posting rude and demeaning comments. Destiny is a respected member of this community, and from what you can read above, Catz has legitimate reasons for Destiny's acquisition.
Therefore, and I may be banned for even saying this (but I feel it is my right to stand up for this belief), I believe that not only did you overstep your bounds as both a TL mod (who should abide by TL rules and set an example of respect to the community) but as a poster as well. As thus, I truly believe you deserve a temp ban, as would have been standardly issued to any other average troll/flamer.
User was warned for this post
Not trying to derail topic or anything, but warnings like this are the reason why I'll never be a frequent poster on this site.
.____.
Yea and posts like this make me laugh. A) People need to chill the fuck out B) The internet is serious business yo.
Congratz to destiny though. His bm always makes me laugh.
On March 03 2011 04:25 Dubpace wrote: I keep refreshing thinking this is a bad joke.
Destiny is nowhere near the level of any other root member.
Buuuuh... its like that for almost every team.
Every team has one member is that not at the level of the others, thats why they join, so they can improve.
Do you think teamliquid could randomly find a player already at ret/jinro/tylers level? No. They would have to either take someone from another team or find someone with potential to train.
HuK certainly wasn't "at that level" when they recruited him, heck, Jinro wasn't "at that level" 6 months ago, but look at them balling it up in the GSL. Players improve at different paces, and being able to pick out players who have the ability to improve is tougher but far more rewarding than picking up a player who's just good.
Also, the retard magnet has perked my interest - time to start figuring more out about this guy.
OT: Seriously guys, this is a thread about Destiny and ROOT, not a website/moderation feedback thread.
On March 03 2011 04:25 Dubpace wrote: I keep refreshing thinking this is a bad joke.
Destiny is nowhere near the level of any other root member.
Gotta love all the armchair critics.
Catz gonna train destiny good.
Um... so basically you just agreed he isn't anywhere near as good and needs intense training.
Even if that is true that doesn't make it a "bad joke" as the poster he was responding to hoped. It would be very strange if a player had to be top class before he joined a team since becoming top class is often dependant on just having a good team. They obviously think he has potential which is not directly correspondent to his current skill level.
On March 03 2011 04:29 Gator wrote: this means destiny can compete in the NASL now right?
He can...but I kinda hope he doesn't. I love his stream and he occasionally plays great, but ROOT has better proven players that should get their slots over him. Drewbie/qxc/Mini/Kiwikaki/(Slush/Catz/Ddoro) kinda max out the 5 and I don't think he's at their level yet. He may be soon, though, considering Mini's skyrocketing improvement after joining.
On March 02 2011 17:19 Saracen wrote: are you serious...
Someone's got a case of small dick syndrome. Chill bro, Destiny is a smart player and belongs on a team full of smart players. I can only predict great things for both Steven and his new team!
On March 02 2011 17:19 Saracen wrote: are you serious...
Someone's got a case of small dick syndrome. Chill bro, Destiny is a smart player and belongs on a team full of smart players. I can only predict great things for both Steven and his new team!
On March 02 2011 17:12 GrazerRinge wrote: I enjoyed his stream so much and learned tons of stuff what i use in ladder more and more!
i wish him and ROOT best luck!
the retard-magnet ?
best luck at root, destiny!
User was warned for this post
The retard magnet is one if the most popular destiny videos on youtube. Pretty sure this guy shouldn't have been warned for this ;x It is a compliment not a flame. Not that warns really matter.
Thanks, I've made a note for the other mods to ignore that warning.
On March 02 2011 19:13 Encrypto wrote:
On March 02 2011 17:19 Saracen wrote: are you serious...
Are you serious? Have some respect. This thread is not about Destiny as a player, it's about his accomplishment making it on ROOT's team. Shouldn't you know the forum etiquette? Either way, it's completely their decision - not yours.
You're supposed to be a TL mod, but you act like a common whiny flamer, posting rude and demeaning comments. Destiny is a respected member of this community, and from what you can read above, Catz has legitimate reasons for Destiny's acquisition.
Therefore, and I may be banned for even saying this (but I feel it is my right to stand up for this belief), I believe that not only did you overstep your bounds as both a TL mod (who should abide by TL rules and set an example of respect to the community) but as a poster as well. As thus, I truly believe you deserve a temp ban, as would have been standardly issued to any other average troll/flamer.
I checked this thread, and the only post by Saracen is the one you quoted: "Are you serious...". It's an expression of surprise or disbelief which you seem to read a lot into. I wouldn't warn/ban a normal user for that, and there's no reason to do so for a mod.
I am warning you, not for standing up for your beliefs, but for calling a mod, who has spent a ton of time improving the community, a "common whiny flamer" based on a single ambiguous comment. If you expressed your opinion in a more reasonable manner, I would have had no problem it.
Because he did not display any type of 'pleasant' disbelief, it can only imply negativity. (I.e. Disbelief that Destiny made the team, which is not positive). I canthink of no way that this can be ambiguous because nobody posts a post like this, especially with the use of the ellipsis, that is simply neutral. Because it is not positive, it must then be negative.
Also, I apologize for assuming that you would normally temp ban a user for saying such a thing if that is not true.
It's pretty silly how quickly fanboys jump on any hint of negativity without considering any external factors. I've known Paulo for a while, and I've known the ROOT Team for a while. I've also played many ladder games with Destiny. Maybe I should have PM'd Paulo about it instead of posting in this thread, but if I have any misgivings, am I not allowed to express them in the appropriate thread? Paulo's post answered my questions, which is why I didn't feel the need to elaborate. But seriously, you need to chill. If you have a problem with moderation here, take it up with me (or any of the mods), or post about it in Website Feedback. There's no need to derail the thread (or any thread) into TL-mods-are-so-biased whine fest. If you disagree with the content of my post, then you can PM me about it.
im just getting into starcraft from high level wow arenas and i know exactly what catz means by the mindset destiny already has being the most imporant aspect of a player. anyone can learn builds mechanics and micro, but some players just dont have (and will never have) the creativity and mindset required to make clutch plays at high level. its something you just cant teach
destiny's mechanics are lacking but he can get there now that he has quit his job and moved to sc2 fulltime. once the mechanics come together he is going to be capable of the sick creative play we see from everyone else on root
And this is the power of networking. Make good friends with one person in the clan and then dig your way deeper. I remember one other clan who was trying to pick up Destiny, poking, proding and begging for him to join their clan, laughing about how Steven thought he could join ROOT.
He's not as high up as CatZ or Slush is, but lets see if he can improve.
Dont hate on ROOT... it's not like any of their prior recruitments have been bad.... all their players are really legit. If Destiny isn't a top player right now, I'd expect him to get there within the next few months if hes serious about it, and I think ROOT sees that too.
I didn't expect this to happen as soon as it did, though I'm sure most people saw it coming. I hope he gets really good because he has an interesting personality and I think he could add a reasonable amount to Esports. GL Destiny.
On March 03 2011 04:29 Gator wrote: this means destiny can compete in the NASL now right?
He can...but I kinda hope he doesn't. I love his stream and he occasionally plays great, but ROOT has better proven players that should get their slots over him. Drewbie/qxc/Mini/Kiwikaki/(Slush/Catz/Ddoro) kinda max out the 5 and I don't think he's at their level yet. He may be soon, though, considering Mini's skyrocketing improvement after joining.
I don't want to derail the thread but since someone mentioned it... it kind of sucks that as he joins this team, he has no chance of participating in the NASL because he is joining such a good team. While I still don't find it surprising that he joined ROOT, it seems like the rule will discourage many players to join in the future and make the team even stronger.
On March 03 2011 06:23 Chicane wrote: I don't want to derail the thread but since someone mentioned it... it kind of sucks that as he joins this team, he has no chance of participating in the NASL because he is joining such a good team. While I still don't find it surprising that he joined ROOT, it seems like the rule will discourage many players to join in the future and make the team even stronger.
Honestly, unless he's a top player on a team like root he probably shouldn't even be going to the NASL.
When I joined I was completely horrible, I can look back and see so many mistakes and problems I had mechanically. I was NOWHERE close to anyone in root when I joined.
When catz trys to find people to join, he is looking for potential, and to see if they can grow, get better.
Cant say i saw this coming, but great choice for root! Destiny's been improving drastically with the small practice sessions against Minigun, and others Thundertoss finds for him. Having all the Root players available to practice with should skyrocket Destiny's play.
Mini I understand he is your friend. It has nothing to do with his skill level. Personally I can not stand him because he acts like an immature little kid all the time. Not what most would consider 'pro' attitude. He will only be a detriment in trying to bring esports to a bigger crowd.
Dvalen obviously fails to see that there might be a link between the number of posts in this thread, the number of faithful viewers on the Destiny stream, and bringing esport to a bigger crowd.
Steven is an entertainer, and he has so many more layers to him than you see at a glance.
On March 03 2011 06:23 Chicane wrote: I don't want to derail the thread but since someone mentioned it... it kind of sucks that as he joins this team, he has no chance of participating in the NASL because he is joining such a good team. While I still don't find it surprising that he joined ROOT, it seems like the rule will discourage many players to join in the future and make the team even stronger.
Honestly, unless he's a top player on a team like root he probably shouldn't even be going to the NASL.
Yes, but this also means any player who significantly improves from being on a team (or plans to improve by joining a team) will not be able to play unless they leave and join another team. That being said, they already have too many good players to send them all.
On March 03 2011 06:50 Dvalen wrote: Mini I understand he is your friend. It has nothing to do with his skill level. Personally I can not stand him because he acts like an immature little kid all the time. Not what most would consider 'pro' attitude. He will only be a detriment in trying to bring esports to a bigger crowd.
You clearly haven't watched his stream for a while. When he wants to/needs to, Destiny can be a very serious, "mannered" player. He acts "immature" to some people, but most of the time he is there to entertain, which is the goal for any type of sport, no?
On March 02 2011 17:09 Grantler wrote: JTV Fame =/= skill Haven't really been impressed by Destiny yet, but who knows.
They realize he has a lot of potential though. In the interview, he even states that he(Destiny) makes a living off of the ad revenue from streaming and coaching, freeing up his time for SC2. CatZ also says that he sees how devoted Destiny is to the game
On March 02 2011 17:12 GrazerRinge wrote: I enjoyed his stream so much and learned tons of stuff what i use in ladder more and more!
i wish him and ROOT best luck!
the retard-magnet ?
best luck at root, destiny!
User was warned for this post
The retard magnet is one if the most popular destiny videos on youtube. Pretty sure this guy shouldn't have been warned for this ;x It is a compliment not a flame. Not that warns really matter.
Thanks, I've made a note for the other mods to ignore that warning.
On March 02 2011 19:13 Encrypto wrote:
On March 02 2011 17:19 Saracen wrote: are you serious...
Are you serious? Have some respect. This thread is not about Destiny as a player, it's about his accomplishment making it on ROOT's team. Shouldn't you know the forum etiquette? Either way, it's completely their decision - not yours.
You're supposed to be a TL mod, but you act like a common whiny flamer, posting rude and demeaning comments. Destiny is a respected member of this community, and from what you can read above, Catz has legitimate reasons for Destiny's acquisition.
Therefore, and I may be banned for even saying this (but I feel it is my right to stand up for this belief), I believe that not only did you overstep your bounds as both a TL mod (who should abide by TL rules and set an example of respect to the community) but as a poster as well. As thus, I truly believe you deserve a temp ban, as would have been standardly issued to any other average troll/flamer.
I checked this thread, and the only post by Saracen is the one you quoted: "Are you serious...". It's an expression of surprise or disbelief which you seem to read a lot into. I wouldn't warn/ban a normal user for that, and there's no reason to do so for a mod.
I am warning you, not for standing up for your beliefs, but for calling a mod, who has spent a ton of time improving the community, a "common whiny flamer" based on a single ambiguous comment. If you expressed your opinion in a more reasonable manner, I would have had no problem it.
Because he did not display any type of 'pleasant' disbelief, it can only imply negativity. (I.e. Disbelief that Destiny made the team, which is not positive). I canthink of no way that this can be ambiguous because nobody posts a post like this, especially with the use of the ellipsis, that is simply neutral. Because it is not positive, it must then be negative.
Also, I apologize for assuming that you would normally temp ban a user for saying such a thing if that is not true.
It's pretty silly how quickly fanboys jump on any hint of negativity without considering any external factors. I've known Paulo for a while, and I've known the ROOT Team for a while. I've also played many ladder games with Destiny. Maybe I should have PM'd Paulo about it instead of posting in this thread, but if I have any misgivings, am I not allowed to express them in the appropriate thread? Paulo's post answered my questions, which is why I didn't feel the need to elaborate. But seriously, you need to chill. If you have a problem with moderation here, take it up with me (or any of the mods), or post about it in Website Feedback. There's no need to derail the thread (or any thread) into TL-mods-are-so-biased whine fest. If you disagree with the content of my post, then you can PM me about it.
No yeah srsly why does anyone care? I'm a pretty big fan, his stream has taken over my life but I really didn't see anything wrong with what you said. People are too concerned with others and their opinions on the internet. "Haters gonna hate" isn't just a meme guys, it's an attitude that you must take on inevitably as more and more people become aware of you. I'm cereal.
On March 03 2011 06:50 Dvalen wrote: Mini I understand he is your friend. It has nothing to do with his skill level. Personally I can not stand him because he acts like an immature little kid all the time. Not what most would consider 'pro' attitude. He will only be a detriment in trying to bring esports to a bigger crowd.
Please can we not make FOR E-SPORTS arguments, especially when they are retarded arguments.
Steven, I have been watching you since may of beta and watching you improve as a player has been to say the least awesome. I remember your mass roach strat and then when you began to shift towards the roach rush vs terran because of all the 2 rax and now you are finally beginning to reach your full potential. Even though you make stupid mistakes (a lot of stupid mistakes) you still are a good player. Joining ROOT was the best possible move for you, congrats and I hope to see you win a lot of tournaments in the future.
Destiny's a really fun player to watch. Personally, I think the BM is entertaining to watch. And I love ROOT, so I hope his game improves a lot training more with them.
What I really enjoy and respect is ROOT's leader, Catz, coming in here multiple times to explain and defend the decision, when none is really needed. It's his clan and he can recruit who he wants, yet he takes the time to justify it to the best SC2 community (TL) out there. That really shows ROOT's commitment to their fanbase and that's always awesome to see. I wish Blizzard were half as proactive at keeping the community informed of their decisions and the reasoning behind it.
On March 02 2011 20:03 CryMeAReaper wrote: Hmm. I havnt really watched his stream as Ive always found him abit whiny/too loudmouthed (he used to be imo atleast), is he a good player at all? Like, I havnt rly seen him in anything, and i havnt heard about him at all.
On March 02 2011 18:32 LittLeD wrote: Ugh..unlikable move. He's not really that kind of person who helps a team lift its professionalism, so I really have no idea for this move other than just boost their site-numbers.
Hopefully I'm wrong and it ends up well. We'll see!
I'm guessing you have no idea how much Drewbie BMs people on ladder. The length of his ignore list on Battle.net is legendary. (And yes that last sentence sounds very raunchy)
This is great news and I wish all the best for Steven, as CatZ said steven has showed very high potential in his practices with ROOT people and he has also improved A LOT recently from a lot of customing instead of "ladder heroing". Everything CatZ has said has been spot on from what I as a frequent spectator can see as well. Wish everyone the best!
I figured Destiny would have joined ROOT eventually. I just didn't expect it to happen so soon. Congratulations to Steve and ROOT both. It will be fun watching him improve.
weeeeeeee hooooooooo go steven what a baller I remember watching him when he first started streaming and thinking, man i could smash this guy, but now.............. no way he got so much better
To everyone that has supported us, thank you and we <3 the fans. To everyone that hasn't supported us, we can't all be perfect, and we love you too
We hope to be able to announce a lot more exciting news down the road, this is just the beginning of a very exciting 2011 and beyond!
As for Steven himself, recruiting someone just because of a few thousand stream viewers has never made sense nor will it in the near future. No one can deny his desire for the game, his rise throughout the game's early life and his appeal with fans. As for his skill level, he nor anyone from ROOT has ever said he's currently one of the top in North America, but with rigorous training and laddering, we really feel he can be. Welcome again!
On March 03 2011 06:50 Dvalen wrote: Mini I understand he is your friend. It has nothing to do with his skill level. Personally I can not stand him because he acts like an immature little kid all the time. Not what most would consider 'pro' attitude. He will only be a detriment in trying to bring esports to a bigger crowd.
Youre an idiot if you dont htink steve has mannered up SO much ever since getting banned from TL.
Interesting views from catz, seems pretty arrogant for someone who is pure cheese and all ins to criticize players who are FAR superiority to him :O not sure you could even call going all in every game creative or thinking either, seems like a crutch to me
Good manner doesn't have to mean "i play for fans.. yes yes, i hope to play better next season.. yes yes"
It's all about respect, making light of a GAME isn't "bad manner" it's normal human interaction. Steven obviously respects good players. Having fun at the expense of people who take ladder too seriously is par for the course.
Congrats to both Root-Gaming and Steven! Love both very much and am looking forward to the future to see how much he will improve and how far Root as well will go in future tournies/clan wars. <3
It's funny how 99% of TL posters think they are better than everyone in the top200.
Statistically this is fucking impossible. and its worth a ban to point out that people need to humble up a bit, and actually be good before they trash talk other players
On March 03 2011 07:45 Hoju wrote: This make me sad. I don't like Destiny, but I really like Root. So conflicted :x
Why don't you give him a chance to improve before you bash ROOT's decision?
Not bashing the decision, it sounds like he's a good player.
You're right about the first part, though, I probably haven't really given him a chance after seeing a few videos of him via reddit and deciding that he was extremely annoying. Watching his stream now, maybe that will change my opinion.
Edit: After watching the stream for a bit, I still find him pretty annoying, but I do have more respect for him as a player now. I'll be sure to watch him in the future (as long as I don't have to listen to him )
Belittling Saracen for a difference of opinion is rather ignorant. I played a game with Steven whining "imba' on meta(great zerg map, although balanced). He left with more BM and a ragequit. Your making steven look bad by belittling anyone with a different opinion. I don't know who saracen is but I know that I beat steven straight up and he bm'd me with 2k people watching.
On March 03 2011 11:46 FuSioN722 wrote: Belittling Saracen for a difference of opinion is rather ignorant. I played a game with Steven whining "imba' on meta(great zerg map, although balanced). He left with more BM and a ragequit. Your making steven look bad by belittling anyone with a different opinion. I don't know who saracen is but I know that I beat steven straight up and he bm'd me with 2k people watching.
edit: This was two days ago.
He BM's everyone he loses to, its part of his charm, sorry but you're not a unique snowflake
I like him.. He's a funny guy who BMs his opponents and doesn't hold anything back, which makes for an entertaining cast even if you don't know anything about sc2(which is why he has so many viewers). It is a bit strange that he hasn't been banned by Blizzard for BM yet though. I guess he's dodged a lot of reports. I'd say that his BM persona doesn't really fit in with Root Gaming(especially guys like Catz who seem super GM O_O) but wasn't drewbie pretty bm in BW back in ladder 2x2? So I guess it's cool. Root gains even more fans now, and they are probably the most well liked team outside of Liquid.
By the way, was rootgaming.com really taken? Kinda lame that you guys have a dash in the website URL.
Belittling Saracen for a difference of opinion is rather ignorant. I played a game with Steven whining "imba' on meta(great zerg map, although balanced). He left with more BM and a ragequit. Your making steven look bad by belittling anyone with a different opinion. I don't know who saracen is but I know that I beat steven straight up and he bm'd me with 2k people watching.
edit: This was two days ago.
Except "Are you serious" isn't an opinion, it's a one-liner.
Grats on the team steve, look forward to seeing how you settle into the team experience.
It would be really cool if destiny could pull in a few more sponsors. I mean an average of 1k viewers while he is just laddering is nothing to scoff at.
On March 02 2011 17:19 Saracen wrote: are you serious...
in case you were wondering there were approximately 1950 people watching you get stomped on destinys stream
I really don't care how many people were watching, nor do I care that I lost. It makes little difference to me what you or those other 1949 people think. I do, however, care that I wasn't able to play a good game against him. In spite of that, Destiny's gotten a lot better since we last played and it was pretty apparent when playing him, so congrats. Also, if he actually quit his job to do SC2 24/7, then props to him.
destiny is a beast and for sure, he is going to be an upcoming competitor, now that he is on ROOT he has to be motivated to become the best player he can be. been watching his stream, what an intelligent fellow and entertainer. he even cares for his viewers, i hope he becomes one of the best zerg players out there
Destiny is a good player but I haven't seen much pure amazing from him yet. Then again, the change in Minigun since joining ROOT is huge as he went from being damn good to being amazing. I feel that now that he's in team ROOT Destiny will really grow and blossom as a SC2 player and we will see some great stuff from him.
On March 03 2011 13:52 Argolis wrote: Saracen taking the high road. Well played sir.
This thread may now (eventually) rest in peace.
haha he didnt completely take the high road. he implied that if he was playing at his best, he would have probably beaten steven.
How dare he want to win games online against his opponent. He should have realized the glory that is Destiny and just left the game 3 seconds in instead of playing it all the way through.
My views on this is that I just expected ROOT to be a very top skill level team. I personally know quite a few zerg and protoss players who could be better choices for a team like ROOT than Destiny was. I think there was a popularity/fan factor here to had to play in the decision of adding him into the team.
Very good pickup from ROOT. I saw it coming, with his bfffffff's with Chad and games with CatZ sometimes. Without bothering to not sound like a kiss ass, Destiny is a good player already and practice with the likes of CatZ, qxc, drewbie and minigun just to name a few, Destiny will start roflstomping harder. ROOT goes further away from the competition in the likes of my favourite team :D
On March 03 2011 10:27 archdevilz wrote: *burrowed roaches fungalled, army dies to fungals n hydras* are you serious .......
AHAHAHahahahaha I just saw this live, this is why I watch Steven's stream. Great play, great entertainment.
It was just one of those Steven Bonnell moments ("the bronnell factor"). I mean what are the odds..yet it was a good/high level game with a little tiny bit of bm (but nothing serious, just for fun). Just the way a game/community should be. I for one was greatly entertaint and almost woke my neighbours up (by laughing too loud at 3 a.m.)
destiny is a great pick up for Root i think hes perfect I love root because they are all a bunch of characters. Destiny is pretty funny and hes just bm enough to be in root. haha joking aside thats great love root and destiny.
He's popular on reddit but I don't see him ever doing good in any real events. Also the reddit sc community is like the bastard stepchild of gosugamers, and one notch below even 4chan.
On March 03 2011 19:45 dacthehork wrote: Bad pickup and for the wrong reasons imo
He's popular on reddit but I don't see him ever doing good in any real events. Also the reddit sc community is like the bastard stepchild of gosugamers, and one notch below even 4chan.
the fact he gets showmatches is pretty sad
So many fail-assumptions in such few lines. Are you serious? Reddit worse then 4chan? You missed the SC Reddit Open, one of the best organized tournaments in the short history of SC2? Reddit managed to put off a great tournament with a few volunteers. The production value of that tournament easily compares with a IEM or a TSL. Destiny has been popular from the beta, when r/starcraft wasn't even that big. Destiny isn't even at his full potential but if he keeps improving the way he does, and I'm confident that he will. I bet he'll get some fantastic results. I have to conclude my rant with a question for you, dear sir: You jelly?
Good luck to Destiny in Root. I don't really know him since I rarely watch his stream but if Catz thinks he has potential then he is a good pick.
However, ROOT will have to make choices for the NASL and I doubt destiny will be able to participate , unfortunately, because of that dumb 5players / teams rule.
On March 03 2011 19:45 dacthehork wrote: Bad pickup and for the wrong reasons imo
He's popular on reddit but I don't see him ever doing good in any real events. Also the reddit sc community is like the bastard stepchild of gosugamers, and one notch below even 4chan.
the fact he gets showmatches is pretty sad
So many fail-assumptions in such few lines. Are you serious? Reddit worse then 4chan? You missed the SC Reddit Open, one of the best organized tournaments in the short history of SC2? Reddit managed to put off a great tournament with a few volunteers. The production value of that tournament easily compares with a IEM or a TSL. Destiny has been popular from the beta, when r/starcraft wasn't even that big. Destiny isn't even at his full potential but if he keeps improving the way he does, and I'm confident that he will. I bet he'll get some fantastic results. I have to conclude my rant with a question for you, dear sir: You jelly?
You missed the most important fact: most of the viewers are from tl and only recently reddit noticed him (it is something like 70/30).
On March 03 2011 19:45 dacthehork wrote: Bad pickup and for the wrong reasons imo
He's popular on reddit but I don't see him ever doing good in any real events. Also the reddit sc community is like the bastard stepchild of gosugamers, and one notch below even 4chan.
the fact he gets showmatches is pretty sad
Pretty sure he wins some showmatches, so I'm not sure what your point is here.
Big congrats to Destiny, I think he is great and hopefully this will give him the confidence to become even better than he is now and keep up creative style in Zerg.
On March 03 2011 19:45 dacthehork wrote: Bad pickup and for the wrong reasons imo
He's popular on reddit but I don't see him ever doing good in any real events. Also the reddit sc community is like the bastard stepchild of gosugamers, and one notch below even 4chan.
the fact he gets showmatches is pretty sad
Pretty sure he wins some showmatches, so I'm not sure what your point is here.
He is just very jealous. Clearly.
Again; id like to state to anyone who think destiny has a bad "attitude". You have clearly not seen his stream in the past few months. He RARELY bm's now. If he does; its someone who he is friends with and can handle a joke or 2. Some of you act like whiney kids who cant handle criticism .
I think that ROOT just picked him up because he is a well known player, not because he is super good or anything. He just looks like your "average" high level master player, i havent seen him beat any good players really (maybe in 1 match, but not like like a bo5+)
Good luck to Destiny though, he will definitely improve. Cant wait to see him play in MLG or something :D
On March 04 2011 01:34 Deadlyfish wrote: I think that ROOT just picked him up because he is a well known player, not because he is super good or anything. He just looks like your "average" high level master player, i havent seen him beat any good players really (maybe in 1 match, but not like like a bo5+)
Good luck to Destiny though, he will definitely improve. Cant wait to see him play in MLG or something :D
Don't think until you research then
"average" high level masters = top 200 player now?
If you watch him laddering for a few hours he will run into good players, antimage, optikzero, other ROOT members, etc.
On March 04 2011 01:34 Deadlyfish wrote: I think that ROOT just picked him up because he is a well known player, not because he is super good or anything. He just looks like your "average" high level master player, i havent seen him beat any good players really (maybe in 1 match, but not like like a bo5+)
Good luck to Destiny though, he will definitely improve. Cant wait to see him play in MLG or something :D
Don't think until you research then
"average" high level masters = top 200 player now?
If you watch him laddering for a few hours he will run into good players, antimage, optikzero, other ROOT members, etc.
First of all, we're talking about super high level players here, dont want to seem condescending or anything, as i'm comparing him to the best
Other ROOT members like Qxc/KiWiKaKi/Drewbie just seem on a whole other level than Destiny. And i could probably name like 50 other players who are as good/better than him that you havent even heard of. (just my opinion from watching his stream, not like i know his play in and out)
But obviously ROOT is way better at judging skill than most/all of us, so i am sure that he's up to the task, and he is already no doubt a very strong player who i'm sure has a lot of potential.
On March 04 2011 01:34 Deadlyfish wrote: I think that ROOT just picked him up because he is a well known player, not because he is super good or anything. He just looks like your "average" high level master player, i havent seen him beat any good players really (maybe in 1 match, but not like like a bo5+)
Good luck to Destiny though, he will definitely improve. Cant wait to see him play in MLG or something :D
Well thats rather short sighted.
Maybe you should read one of the several posts CatZ has made outlining his decision. You don't become captain of a progaming team to hire mediocre players that you don't believe have any chance of improving or winning games.
If you watched the stream, CatZ has been running Destiny through the gauntlet with several ROOT players including himself, drewbie, minigun, and kiwikaki. This went on for quite awhile before they actually made the decision to pick him up.
On March 03 2011 20:18 Semirhage wrote: 22. With a kid on the way. Sometime in the next few weeks I think.
Uh i haven't heard anything about this. I'm pretty sure he doesn't have a kid on the way.
yes he does
he just doesn't like to bring it up, and his stream has just learned not to bring it up since he never entertains the topic when someone in chat brings it up. only thing he is willing to say is that his kid isn't going to be allowed to play terran.
this brings up a good point, though. i hope that Steven can manage both SC2 and a kid. i know that he's making enough money to support himself off of his streaming right now, but i don't know if that's enough to support a kid. i'd hate to see him have to go back to carpet cleaning.
anyway, hoping that the child doesn't keep him from getting to his full potential, i think that he has enormous potential in sc2, the only thing that holds him back is his reluctance to break away from a strategy he has gotten used to. i've been watching him literally since his first day streaming in beta, and his major reason for losing is his attempt to make a strategy work through brute force. he's damn good at it, he powered his way through the ladder in beta with nothing but roaches, even taking down LZgamer at a time when terran mech was considered unbeatable. but when he finally realizes that he can no longer win through sheer brute force and actually tries to adapt, he tends to go on massive winning streaks. i think that if he becomes more willing to adapt his play than just trying to force an ineffective strategy to work, he'll really start to take off as a top american zerg player.
I think majority of hate towards this guy is that he got onto a big team more so due to stream fame than making a name for himself via skill/winning the game. All the showmatches/etc hes been involved in are because hes an entertaining streamer and people want to watch him play, but clearly hes not at the top level, simply from watching his stream you can tell this when he practices against root players, its 1 sided domination.
Realistically however, if you take any ~3500-3700 masters level player right now, and pair him against top players all day long they will obviously progress quickly. I would wager that there are far fewer 3500-3700 masters players that would not become top players given this training regiment than there are those who would stagnate. What separates Destiny from the other 3500-3700 masters players is that hes already got a large following.
As much as I wanna hate, doesn't really matter since its not like ROOT is paying him (as far as I known) and its not like hes taking the spot of a more deserving zerg who would otherwise have been invited. But if the stories of him having a kid soon are true then its pretty selfish of him to take up a spot in a top level team. How can you focus on playing sc2 12 hours a day when you have a kid to raise. I don't know if anyone "come up" in the sc2 scene while raising a newborn baby. good luck with that one.
Thanks again for all the support, everyone! And please let Saracen be, if someone inspected all of our internet comments I'm sure there would be quite a few inflammatory ones, all in good fun. GLHF~~~~~
How can you focus on playing sc2 12 hours a day when you have a kid to raise. I don't know if anyone "come up" in the sc2 scene while raising a newborn baby. good luck with that one.
Not your place to speculate. Either support or don't support. Personally I give him the benefit of the doubt he realizes the challenges at hand and has prepared accordingly. He's not dumb.
On March 04 2011 02:10 Kelethius wrote: But if the stories of him having a kid soon are true then its pretty selfish of him to take up a spot in a top level team. How can you focus on playing sc2 12 hours a day when you have a kid to raise. I don't know if anyone "come up" in the sc2 scene while raising a newborn baby. good luck with that one.
It sure was selfish of me to accept a promotion after recently acquiring 2 new goldfish.
On March 04 2011 02:10 Kelethius wrote: I think majority of hate towards this guy is that he got onto a big team more so due to stream fame than making a name for himself via skill/winning the game. All the showmatches/etc hes been involved in are because hes an entertaining streamer and people want to watch him play, but clearly hes not at the top level, simply from watching his stream you can tell this when he practices against root players, its 1 sided domination.
Realistically however, if you take any ~3500-3700 masters level player right now, and pair him against top players all day long they will obviously progress quickly. I would wager that there are far fewer 3500-3700 masters players that would not become top players given this training regiment than there are those who would stagnate. What separates Destiny from the other 3500-3700 masters players is that hes already got a large following.
As much as I wanna hate, doesn't really matter since its not like ROOT is paying him (as far as I known) and its not like hes taking the spot of a more deserving zerg who would otherwise have been invited. But if the stories of him having a kid soon are true then its pretty selfish of him to take up a spot in a top level team. How can you focus on playing sc2 12 hours a day when you have a kid to raise. I don't know if anyone "come up" in the sc2 scene while raising a newborn baby. good luck with that one.
Doesn't Tyler have a kid? LiquidTyler is selfish as well. Or am I mistaken.
On March 04 2011 03:07 MOOG wrote: What about Bluetea? She must be lonely now that Steven has all these new friends. Dont forget about her. RootBluetea please
On March 04 2011 03:13 ProtossGirl wrote: Modern society its very normal for both parents to work full time with a child.
this is also a little personal for a TL thread where 99% of the posters have no idea what goes on behind the scenes.
Try discussing things you have some evidence/first hand experience wit.. this is like theory crafting taken to a whole new level
100% Agreed.
In fact my original post was a bit more scathing of those who are doing this, but I edited it.
The only selfish thing that is going on here is to pretend that anyone here has any authority to question Destiny's fitness as a parent or how his commitment to Starcraft affects it. Quite simply, it's none of our fucking business.
Our job is to either support him, or don't support him. Leave the personal shit out please, and don't assume that this hasn't already been taken into account by those who are actually involved. It's insulting.
But if the stories of him having a kid soon are true then its pretty selfish of him to take up a spot in a top level team. How can you focus on playing sc2 12 hours a day when you have a kid to raise. I don't know if anyone "come up" in the sc2 scene while raising a newborn baby. good luck with that one.
I just want to harp on this part. Having a kid is one of the reasons he quit his job, because it means he'll be at home more to take care of him. Also, Steven makes quite a bit of money off streaming, so there was no need for him to be working when he could be making the same amount of money at home.
On March 04 2011 03:07 MOOG wrote: What about Bluetea? She must be lonely now that Steven has all these new friends. Dont forget about her. RootBluetea please
Didnt you hear??? EGBluetea
I always suspected that Bluetea was carrying Destiny in their 2v2s as Bluetea always is no 1. EG got the better end of the deal imo
If skill was the sole judgement for picking him up I'd say it's a bit silly, not that he's terrible but for a team like root the fit doesn't seem right (in terms of skill). But from the sound of it he meshes well with them (aka plays with them), and he has a billion fans, which will give root more publicity. Also, seems like root has a crazy monopoly on popular streams; catz, drewbie, qxc, slush, minigun, now destiny :O imba.
But if the stories of him having a kid soon are true then its pretty selfish of him to take up a spot in a top level team. How can you focus on playing sc2 12 hours a day when you have a kid to raise. I don't know if anyone "come up" in the sc2 scene while raising a newborn baby. good luck with that one.
I just want to harp on this part. Having a kid is one of the reasons he quit his job, because it means he'll be at home more to take care of him. Also, Steven makes quite a bit of money off streaming, so there was no need for him to be working when he could be making the same amount of money at home.
Guess your right. My brain is still in broodwar with jaedong and flash who practice 100 hours a day and have no time for anything other than sc. Dynamics of sc2 are alot different now and I should have realized that prior to making such a bold statement. I was in the wrong.
On March 03 2011 19:39 Greggor wrote: Dont see why so many pick on Destinys BM when Idra is just as bad or even worse when it comes to BM:ing.
But you see, IdrA actually has a proven track record in SC2 and could make the top 200 on any server. Destiny can't even make the top200 on NA and is THIS outspoken. I'm not a fan of IdrA's un-professional image either but at least he can back up his words with his skills, Destiny can't. Hopefully ROOT being such a great team can improve Destiny in both attitude and skills.
On March 03 2011 19:39 Greggor wrote: Dont see why so many pick on Destinys BM when Idra is just as bad or even worse when it comes to BM:ing.
But you see, IdrA actually has a proven track record in SC2 and could make the top 200 on any server. Destiny can't even make the top200 on NA and is THIS outspoken. I'm not a fan of IdrA's un-professional image either but at least he can back up his words with his skills, Destiny can't. Hopefully ROOT being such a great team can improve Destiny in both attitude and skills.
Not that I'm comparing destiny to idra skillwise, but I'm pretty sure destiny has been at least top 100 na ladder at some point if not top 50.
Gratz to Destiny. He has a whole lot to prove though if he wants to be recognized as a top player finally. His JTV fame has definitely brought him into the spotlight, now to see if he can improve with the ROOT tag on. glglgl~
Congrats Desinty - awesome to see him with the ROOT tage on his name now.. He is an awesome personality and his game sense seems to be pretty good.. just needs to translate that into skill.. Hopefully ROOT provides the platform for him
I've got a newborn child and I have time to play sc2, if this is destiny's main income then I don't see how he wouldnt have time for that, especially if he has the motivation to get to the very top
On March 03 2011 19:39 Greggor wrote: Dont see why so many pick on Destinys BM when Idra is just as bad or even worse when it comes to BM:ing.
But you see, IdrA actually has a proven track record in SC2 and could make the top 200 on any server. Destiny can't even make the top200 on NA and is THIS outspoken. I'm not a fan of IdrA's un-professional image either but at least he can back up his words with his skills, Destiny can't. Hopefully ROOT being such a great team can improve Destiny in both attitude and skills.
if you had met idra at the time I did you'd say he was a shit player, but he practiced, a lot, we pick players based on potential, not only past results
On March 04 2011 13:32 Fayth wrote: I've got a newborn child and I have time to play sc2, if this is destiny's main income then I don't see how he wouldnt have time for that, especially if he has the motivation to get to the very top
You also don't have to worry about income unlike other people though . I agree though if this is all he is doing, there really isn't any reason for him to not be at the top. I'm looking forward to it!
What you're saying may be right Fayth but it isn't what my post is addressing. I have a distaste toward poor sportsmanship and in the present, IdrA has more of a standing to spout BM than Destiny has (I hate all of it anyway).
I think it's great news, I've always been a Destiny, and a Catz fan. If Catz says Destiny has lots of untapped potential that will be honed in ROOT I am very excited and trust his judgement.
On March 04 2011 13:49 cozzE wrote: What you're saying may be right Fayth but it isn't what my post is addressing. I have a distaste toward poor sportsmanship and in the present, IdrA has more of a standing to spout BM than Destiny has (I hate all of it anyway).
In all honesty: You can't say Destiny has poor sportsmanship. In tournaments he is 200% gm. On ladder there is bm sometimes, but it rarely happens out of nowhere. Destiny mostly bms if he gets bmed himself (by cheesy play). And I am pretty sure it is all fun, no hard feelings. I don't see poor sportsmanship at all.
On March 04 2011 13:49 cozzE wrote: What you're saying may be right Fayth but it isn't what my post is addressing. I have a distaste toward poor sportsmanship and in the present, IdrA has more of a standing to spout BM than Destiny has (I hate all of it anyway).
While i'm not a fan of destiny I will say this alot of top level players bm on ladder (no not saying destiny is top level either). So if you don't like his "bm" because he bm's some noobs on ladder who cheese or all in or w/e a ton of other players do it at the high level. So you should probably be hating on a ton of top level players if you feel this way by how destiny bm's on ladder.
I guess I don't know how he bm's or anything but if its just rage of losing or calling someone terrible after losing to a cheese build or something can you blame him? Just posts like these annoy me I mean if he's flaming his opponents for no reason whatsoever all the time sure I can see it but yeah already said it before.
While I question the decision still from root grats to destiny maybe he will be a top player only time will tell.
So much Destiny hate... his stream is really funny and i really like him both as player and a streamer. He seems to have the dedication and talent to make it to the top so i wish him luck. My favorite team picked up one of my favorite "up and coming" players, i can't complain.
On March 04 2011 20:21 -Archangel- wrote: Some of you mentioned he earns money streaming. How does that work? He can earn more money then with a normal job?
he cleaned carpets. At one point I remember he called one of his customers while on stream and said he was having equipment difficulties o he could finish a game ever since then I've been a fan lol. I remember he also said one that if he could have 7-8 hours a day to practice like the pros he'd be just as good. Were finally gonna get to see it! go RootDestiny!
Congrats to Destiny and ROOT. I had stopped playing SC2 for a while and just randomly happened to stumble on his stream on JTV a month ago, and watching him play has gotten me interested in playing again.
On March 04 2011 20:21 -Archangel- wrote: Some of you mentioned he earns money streaming. How does that work? He can earn more money then with a normal job?
JTV partnership, he earns money through commercials and it's split with JTV i believe. He makes enough to live on combined with the money he makes doing lessons.
Not to come out and flame, but I scanned this thread and found no one who wasn't happy with this move, so maybe I'll be the first, unless I missed something.
I don't know much about a lot of the ROOT guys, but what I do know makes me dislike this move entirely. ROOTqxc for instance seems like a really chill, witty, cool guy. When he talks about the game, he just sounds chill and logical. Again like I said, I don't know the ROOT players well, but this is sort of the image I had of ROOT gaming was that it was sort of like a bunch of chill guys who are good at SC2...
Destiny, however... when I listen to him talk about the game, even if what he's saying has some truth in it (or doesn't), he goes about it all in such a QQ way imo. The last stream of his I watched was a loss to a Terran on DQ. Sure it's a bad map, everyone knows that. But the whole time all he was talking about was how he can't win be cause 'HERP DERP Terran' only has to build Marines', and 'HERP DERP TIER 1 TERRAN' and shit. He just doesn't fit with my image of ROOTgaming.
The reason I don't appreciate shit like this (herp derp terran) is that yeah, everyone knows Marines are sick. Everyone knows stim is sick. Everyone knows Terran infantry is powerful and cost efficient. Everyone also knows Banelings annihilate Marines. Everyone also knows that 'lol herp derp t-a-move' against Banelings is auto-loss for Terran.
So to listen to a guy sit and rage about how newb Terran is and how herp-derp it is because he's losing(just as an example), really isn't anything like what I expect (or would have wanted) from any ROOTgamer.
Not to come out and flame, but I scanned this thread and found no one who wasn't happy with this move, so maybe I'll be the first, unless I missed something.
I don't know much about a lot of the ROOT guys, but what I do know makes me dislike this move entirely. ROOTqxc for instance seems like a really chill, witty, cool guy. When he talks about the game, he just sounds chill and logical. Again like I said, I don't know the ROOT players well, but this is sort of the image I had of ROOT gaming was that it was sort of like a bunch of chill guys who are good at SC2...
Destiny, however... when I listen to him talk about the game, even if what he's saying has some truth in it (or doesn't), he goes about it all in such a QQ way imo. The last stream of his I watched was a loss to a Terran on DQ. Sure it's a bad map, everyone knows that. But the whole time all he was talking about was how he can't win be cause 'HERP DERP Terran' only has to build Marines', and 'HERP DERP TIER 1 TERRAN' and shit. He just doesn't fit with my image of ROOTgaming.
The reason I don't appreciate shit like this (herp derp terran) is that yeah, everyone knows Marines are sick. Everyone knows stim is sick. Everyone knows Terran infantry is powerful and cost efficient. Everyone also knows Banelings annihilate Marines. Everyone also knows that 'lol herp derp t-a-move' against Banelings is auto-loss for Terran.
So to listen to a guy sit and rage about how newb Terran is and how herp-derp it is because he's losing(just as an example), really isn't anything like what I expect (or would have wanted) from any ROOTgamer.
Ok.... and what does this have to do with being a good player on a team? IdrA hates zerg too, should EG get rid of him? How about Ret? Should liquid kick Ret out for being QQzerg?
Destiny has 3000 average viewers BECAUSE of what he says, and what he says is true. It's just now allowed he be even discussed here, which is why he doesn't bother to post in this forum.
Not to come out and flame, but I scanned this thread and found no one who wasn't happy with this move, so maybe I'll be the first, unless I missed something.
I don't know much about a lot of the ROOT guys, but what I do know makes me dislike this move entirely. ROOTqxc for instance seems like a really chill, witty, cool guy. When he talks about the game, he just sounds chill and logical. Again like I said, I don't know the ROOT players well, but this is sort of the image I had of ROOT gaming was that it was sort of like a bunch of chill guys who are good at SC2...
Destiny, however... when I listen to him talk about the game, even if what he's saying has some truth in it (or doesn't), he goes about it all in such a QQ way imo. The last stream of his I watched was a loss to a Terran on DQ. Sure it's a bad map, everyone knows that. But the whole time all he was talking about was how he can't win be cause 'HERP DERP Terran' only has to build Marines', and 'HERP DERP TIER 1 TERRAN' and shit. He just doesn't fit with my image of ROOTgaming.
The reason I don't appreciate shit like this (herp derp terran) is that yeah, everyone knows Marines are sick. Everyone knows stim is sick. Everyone knows Terran infantry is powerful and cost efficient. Everyone also knows Banelings annihilate Marines. Everyone also knows that 'lol herp derp t-a-move' against Banelings is auto-loss for Terran.
So to listen to a guy sit and rage about how newb Terran is and how herp-derp it is because he's losing(just as an example), really isn't anything like what I expect (or would have wanted) from any ROOTgamer.
Ok.... and what does this have to do with being a good player on a team? IdrA hates zerg too, should EG get rid of him? How about Ret? Should liquid kick Ret out for being QQzerg?
Destiny has 3000 average viewers BECAUSE of what he says, and what he says is true. It's just now allowed he be even discussed here, which is why he doesn't bother to post in this forum.
I didn't say he's a bad player, but what it has to do with him and ROOT is that he doesn't fit in in my mind with the rest of ROOT.
Also, IdrA hates zerg? IdrA BM's more often than a lot of other pro's, thats different than QQing. When IdrA talks about the game he is logical, he doesn't sound all upset about it, which puts a lot more weight behind what he's saying than just rage does.
If Blizzard doubled Marine damage, and two Zerg players made back to back posts about it...
Zerg 1: Marines are now too powerful. Their critical mass against banelings (which are intended as a direct counter) is now so low that Terran no longer needs to spread but rather just stim, and as long as there are 15+ Marines, no number of Banelings can get close enough to even do any damage. Look at this game to see it happen.... etc etc
Zerg 2: LAWL Its just more HERP DERP Terran! Terrans sofa king newb, just Tier 1 Stim A-move. Its total bullshit, Marines are f***ing imba!!!
They're both saying that marines are too powerful. But who would weight these evenly? This is my point, sure Destiny is a real good player and he says a lot of shit that is true, and shit that isn't true, too. (And here the Marines thing is just an example, I'm not suggesting what anyone has said about stim Marines is either true or false) However, regardless of what he says, the way he goes about saying it and the way he comes across in general does not seem to me to fit well with the rest of the ROOT players.
EDIT: I would also suggest that Destiny has so many viewers not because he's the most brilliant theory-crafter and gamer, but because he's entertaining. He's loud and funny and good.
Not to come out and flame, but I scanned this thread and found no one who wasn't happy with this move, so maybe I'll be the first, unless I missed something.
I don't know much about a lot of the ROOT guys, but what I do know makes me dislike this move entirely. ROOTqxc for instance seems like a really chill, witty, cool guy. When he talks about the game, he just sounds chill and logical. Again like I said, I don't know the ROOT players well, but this is sort of the image I had of ROOT gaming was that it was sort of like a bunch of chill guys who are good at SC2...
Destiny, however... when I listen to him talk about the game, even if what he's saying has some truth in it (or doesn't), he goes about it all in such a QQ way imo. The last stream of his I watched was a loss to a Terran on DQ. Sure it's a bad map, everyone knows that. But the whole time all he was talking about was how he can't win be cause 'HERP DERP Terran' only has to build Marines', and 'HERP DERP TIER 1 TERRAN' and shit. He just doesn't fit with my image of ROOTgaming.
The reason I don't appreciate shit like this (herp derp terran) is that yeah, everyone knows Marines are sick. Everyone knows stim is sick. Everyone knows Terran infantry is powerful and cost efficient. Everyone also knows Banelings annihilate Marines. Everyone also knows that 'lol herp derp t-a-move' against Banelings is auto-loss for Terran.
So to listen to a guy sit and rage about how newb Terran is and how herp-derp it is because he's losing(just as an example), really isn't anything like what I expect (or would have wanted) from any ROOTgamer.
Ok.... and what does this have to do with being a good player on a team? IdrA hates zerg too, should EG get rid of him? How about Ret? Should liquid kick Ret out for being QQzerg?
Destiny has 3000 average viewers BECAUSE of what he says, and what he says is true. It's just now allowed he be even discussed here, which is why he doesn't bother to post in this forum.
I didn't say he's a bad player, but what it has to do with him and ROOT is that he doesn't fit in in my mind with the rest of ROOT.
Also, IdrA hates zerg? IdrA BM's more often than a lot of other pro's, thats different than QQing. When IdrA talks about the game he is logical, he doesn't sound all upset about it, which puts a lot more weight behind what he's saying than just rage does.
If Blizzard doubled Marine damage, and two Zerg players made back to back posts about it...
Zerg 1: Marines are now too powerful. Their critical mass against banelings (which are intended as a direct counter) is now so low that Terran no longer needs to spread but rather just stim, and as long as there are 15+ Marines, no number of Banelings can get close enough to even do any damage. Look at this game to see it happen.... etc etc
Zerg 2: LAWL Its just more HERP DERP Terran! Terrans sofa king newb, just Tier 1 Stim A-move. Its total bullshit, Marines are f***ing imba!!!
They're both saying that marines are too powerful. But who would weight these evenly? This is my point, sure Destiny is a real good player and he says a lot of shit that is true, and shit that isn't true, too. (And here the Marines thing is just an example, I'm not suggesting what anyone has said about stim Marines is either true or false) However, regardless of what he says, the way he goes about saying it and the way he comes across in general does not seem to me to fit well with the rest of the ROOT players.
EDIT: I would also suggest that Destiny has so many viewers not because he's the most brilliant theory-crafter and gamer, but because he's entertaining. He's loud and funny and good.
Well all pro's QQ about the game but lately ive been gaining respect for destiny because since theyve annouced hes on root, he has really trimmed it down and has been a lot more "professional." although it is good for a gamer to have his own personality so his remarks are good for the scene as it adds a new element
Not to come out and flame, but I scanned this thread and found no one who wasn't happy with this move, so maybe I'll be the first, unless I missed something.
I don't know much about a lot of the ROOT guys, but what I do know makes me dislike this move entirely. ROOTqxc for instance seems like a really chill, witty, cool guy. When he talks about the game, he just sounds chill and logical. Again like I said, I don't know the ROOT players well, but this is sort of the image I had of ROOT gaming was that it was sort of like a bunch of chill guys who are good at SC2...
Destiny, however... when I listen to him talk about the game, even if what he's saying has some truth in it (or doesn't), he goes about it all in such a QQ way imo. The last stream of his I watched was a loss to a Terran on DQ. Sure it's a bad map, everyone knows that. But the whole time all he was talking about was how he can't win be cause 'HERP DERP Terran' only has to build Marines', and 'HERP DERP TIER 1 TERRAN' and shit. He just doesn't fit with my image of ROOTgaming.
The reason I don't appreciate shit like this (herp derp terran) is that yeah, everyone knows Marines are sick. Everyone knows stim is sick. Everyone knows Terran infantry is powerful and cost efficient. Everyone also knows Banelings annihilate Marines. Everyone also knows that 'lol herp derp t-a-move' against Banelings is auto-loss for Terran.
So to listen to a guy sit and rage about how newb Terran is and how herp-derp it is because he's losing(just as an example), really isn't anything like what I expect (or would have wanted) from any ROOTgamer.
Ok.... and what does this have to do with being a good player on a team? IdrA hates zerg too, should EG get rid of him? How about Ret? Should liquid kick Ret out for being QQzerg?
Destiny has 3000 average viewers BECAUSE of what he says, and what he says is true. It's just now allowed he be even discussed here, which is why he doesn't bother to post in this forum.
I didn't say he's a bad player, but what it has to do with him and ROOT is that he doesn't fit in in my mind with the rest of ROOT.
Also, IdrA hates zerg? IdrA BM's more often than a lot of other pro's, thats different than QQing. When IdrA talks about the game he is logical, he doesn't sound all upset about it, which puts a lot more weight behind what he's saying than just rage does.
If Blizzard doubled Marine damage, and two Zerg players made back to back posts about it...
Zerg 1: Marines are now too powerful. Their critical mass against banelings (which are intended as a direct counter) is now so low that Terran no longer needs to spread but rather just stim, and as long as there are 15+ Marines, no number of Banelings can get close enough to even do any damage. Look at this game to see it happen.... etc etc
Zerg 2: LAWL Its just more HERP DERP Terran! Terrans sofa king newb, just Tier 1 Stim A-move. Its total bullshit, Marines are f***ing imba!!!
They're both saying that marines are too powerful. But who would weight these evenly? This is my point, sure Destiny is a real good player and he says a lot of shit that is true, and shit that isn't true, too. (And here the Marines thing is just an example, I'm not suggesting what anyone has said about stim Marines is either true or false) However, regardless of what he says, the way he goes about saying it and the way he comes across in general does not seem to me to fit well with the rest of the ROOT players.
EDIT: I would also suggest that Destiny has so many viewers not because he's the most brilliant theory-crafter and gamer, but because he's entertaining. He's loud and funny and good.
No, you have the wrong image of ROOT. Destiny is basically a louder version of CatZ and CatZ is the leader of ROOT, thats why he got picked up. As for the QQ and BM thats all in good fun. Basically they don't take themselves very seriously (i.e lighthearted).
On March 05 2011 23:16 SuPerFlyTNT wrote: Also, IdrA hates zerg? IdrA BM's more often than a lot of other pro's, thats different than QQing. When IdrA talks about the game he is logical, he doesn't sound all upset about it, which puts a lot more weight behind what he's saying than just rage does.
Who is this idra and what did he do to the actual idra?!
lol I love thisisjimmy. He has a full time job too which means he can't play as often as some. I don't really enjoy Destiny's attitude myself, but ROOT is a great team. Just seems like an immature kinda guy from what I've seen from his youtube vids/stream.
lol I love thisisjimmy. He has a full time job too which means he can't play as often as some. I don't really enjoy Destiny's attitude myself, but ROOT is a great team. Just seems like an immature kinda guy from what I've seen from his youtube vids/stream.
Qxc still a baller tho, go ROOT!
Haha, this was enjoyable. I never realized how chill Jimmy is!
All this talk about potential. How do you judge a players potential? I can name many better players than Destiny, but I don't know why root denies recruiting him for his popularity. He is a good entertainer.
Everyone who hates on Destiny has probably only watched his stream once or seen videos of him raging on youtube.
I know its tough for some people to see his sense of humor but you all are blowing it way out of proportion. He's just a guy who's passionate about what he does and isn't afraid to let a little fun into his life.
honestly, i don't understand this whole "manner" fetishism. we live in north america, any sport that is taken legitimately has players who "bm" all the time. it gives the sport character. rivalries are fun. trash talking is fun. (clidevsidra for example, made the gsl that much more interesting) the whole "must be manner" at all time is strictly a korean cultural phenomena. sure, in western sports, most players shake hands after the match, but they sure as hell still "bm". how fun would following the e-sports world be if all the players were like "inserthighlevel playerherethatdoesntreallyhaveapersonalitythatappealstoanyonethatisntatotalgeek". if anything, destiny although not the greatest player, is a GREAT addition to the starcraft 2 e-sports world, if not just for his personality. im not trying to be cruel, or argumentative, im just trying to explain that players like destiny, make the game more interesting for a BROAD audience. sometimes, bad manner is fine. <3
p.s i barely even like destiny as a streamer, but i cant help but defend the poor guy most of the time.
On March 07 2011 11:44 uberism wrote: All this talk about potential. How do you judge a players potential? I can name many better players than Destiny, but I don't know why root denies recruiting him for his popularity. He is a good entertainer.
You can say that its his destiny to be good.
This guy whines like a little bitch though. You don't hear catz whining about imba each time he gets tvz or pvz on steppes.
I think at this stage of clan recruiting, there aren't many extremely skilled players looking for team. It's entirely great that ROOT is already looking at the skill-ceiling instead of current skill-level of new players.
On March 02 2011 17:09 Grantler wrote: JTV Fame =/= skill Haven't really been impressed by Destiny yet, but who knows.
I completely agree. He has a lot of fans, but so does Husky and neither are particularly great at playing the game. I don't really understand why a top team would recruit him without any accomplishments to his name. The only other player who was this unqualified and recruited by ROOT was Minigun and he was at least #1 on the ladder.
clearly, not only have you not read the interviews, but also you didn't read my post, and also you never followed ROOT. I can't stand people who blindly comment and talk as if they knew it all...
So please... tell me some of ROOT's players acomplishments before they joined ROOT... see if you can come up with... 1 maybe per player. HIGHLY doubt it, BECAUSE WE HAVE ALWAYS SCOUTED AND RECRUITED BASED ON POTENTIAL. (except maybe minigun who was #1 on the ladder, but still wasn't very good at all when he joined us, and he knew it back then, he just had potential)
like this post there are a good 20-25 others, some guy saying "im not even in ROOT's lineup im in management" me and drew are listed in on ROOT as Leaders of the team because WE MADE THE TEAM and because we LEAD the team. This is not to say we're not players, it means we're also more than that and if you were someone who needed to talk to the team, that we are the point of contact, as opposed to any other player. I am the highest rated ROOT player on the ladder for what that's worth, and I do quite well vs other teammates in practice games.
either way, I don't ask you to like this descision, and I wont say i don't care if the community doesn't like it, obviously what this game is, we all owe to the community. But if your initial reaction is against, please take a time to read the reasoning behind this in the interview or previous posts, and if you have the time go watch Steven's stream some, i guarantee the more you watch, the more you'll realize he's a great guy.
I do watch his stream. I also help spread the word of it by upvoting his posts on Reddit. That said, I like watching his stream for his personality, not for his raw SC2 skill. I understand what you're saying when you say you recruited him based on potential, but potential isn't a tangible thing you can easily judge. I guess what I'm trying to say is there are better players who you could have recruited instead of him, who had results to show, and who by all counts showed just as much if not more potential. It doesn't matter what accomplishments past ROOT recruits had because honestly, that doesn't change my previous statement at all.
Also, I wasn't presuming to know what you were thinking. Please don't presume to know what I was either. It looks like a struck a nerve but really, I was being completely objective and didn't mean to strike a nerve.
On March 07 2011 12:25 hmsrenown wrote: I think at this stage of clan recruiting, there aren't many extremely skilled players looking for team. It's entirely great that ROOT is already looking at the skill-ceiling instead of current skill-level of new players.
Not really considering that after like 2.5k ladder games, destiny is still pretty average among the high master. His focus also seems to be entertainment and having fun rather than to improve (which is cool with me) so I question this pickup in term of competitiveness but no doubt it will be a good publicity move for ROOT and Esport in general (since he is popular).
On March 07 2011 12:25 hmsrenown wrote: I think at this stage of clan recruiting, there aren't many extremely skilled players looking for team. It's entirely great that ROOT is already looking at the skill-ceiling instead of current skill-level of new players.
Not really considering that after like 2.5k ladder games, destiny is still pretty average among the high master. His focus also seems to be entertainment and having fun rather than to improve (which is cool with me) so I question this pickup in term of competitiveness but no doubt it will be a good publicity move for ROOT and Esport in general (since he is popular).
Ladder games are not a good form of practice for improvement's sake.
On March 07 2011 12:25 hmsrenown wrote: I think at this stage of clan recruiting, there aren't many extremely skilled players looking for team. It's entirely great that ROOT is already looking at the skill-ceiling instead of current skill-level of new players.
Not really considering that after like 2.5k ladder games, destiny is still pretty average among the high master. His focus also seems to be entertainment and having fun rather than to improve (which is cool with me) so I question this pickup in term of competitiveness but no doubt it will be a good publicity move for ROOT and Esport in general (since he is popular).
Ladder games are not a good form of practice for improvement's sake.
Usually when a top player masses games, he will naturally appear on the top 200 even if he's playing below his level. A lot of great players like Select and especiallly countless europeans mass ladder.
On March 07 2011 12:25 hmsrenown wrote: I think at this stage of clan recruiting, there aren't many extremely skilled players looking for team. It's entirely great that ROOT is already looking at the skill-ceiling instead of current skill-level of new players.
Not really considering that after like 2.5k ladder games, destiny is still pretty average among the high master. His focus also seems to be entertainment and having fun rather than to improve (which is cool with me) so I question this pickup in term of competitiveness but no doubt it will be a good publicity move for ROOT and Esport in general (since he is popular).
Ladder games are not a good form of practice for improvement's sake.
they are if you're bad/not top player. but the second ur a top 200 player in NA, practice games with similarly skilled opponents is the best way to improve imo.
On March 07 2011 12:25 hmsrenown wrote: I think at this stage of clan recruiting, there aren't many extremely skilled players looking for team. It's entirely great that ROOT is already looking at the skill-ceiling instead of current skill-level of new players.
Not really considering that after like 2.5k ladder games, destiny is still pretty average among the high master. His focus also seems to be entertainment and having fun rather than to improve (which is cool with me) so I question this pickup in term of competitiveness but no doubt it will be a good publicity move for ROOT and Esport in general (since he is popular).
Ladder games are not a good form of practice for improvement's sake.
Usually when a top player masses games, he will naturally appear on the top 200 even if he's playing below his level. However, I think this is the third week in a row of massgaming by Destiny that he is not on the top 200. I wish rootgaming the best of luck here.
Well considering he had been mass queening on another account and playing a lot of inteam custom games getting to top 200 on ladder is a bit harder.
On March 07 2011 12:25 hmsrenown wrote: I think at this stage of clan recruiting, there aren't many extremely skilled players looking for team. It's entirely great that ROOT is already looking at the skill-ceiling instead of current skill-level of new players.
Not really considering that after like 2.5k ladder games, destiny is still pretty average among the high master. His focus also seems to be entertainment and having fun rather than to improve (which is cool with me) so I question this pickup in term of competitiveness but no doubt it will be a good publicity move for ROOT and Esport in general (since he is popular).
Ladder games are not a good form of practice for improvement's sake.
Usually when a top player masses games, he will naturally appear on the top 200 even if he's playing below his level. However, I think this is the third week in a row of massgaming by Destiny that he is not on the top 200. I wish rootgaming the best of luck here.
I can see you've been paying a lot of attention to his stream.......
He's either been practicing with people or giving lessons every time I've watched his stream over the last couple of weeks. Or mass queening. One of the things that getting on a decent team does is make your ladder rank worthless. You can screw around now, because you'll be facing top competition in practices and showmatches, not to mention tournaments. Your ladder, instead of being your focal point as before, is now just a sub-par practice league.
I personally think he's drastically improved his level of play since the last few months. He played a lot of practice games vs ~3700 masters terran yesterday, and he made him look like a silver level newbie.
I don't really like ROOT clan, so this is kind of a disappointing move I find. I just find players like Catz and Drewbie to be generally uncreative and overrated. Why not join another clan like vT or VG or LG?
On March 24 2011 16:43 CosciaSi wrote: I don't really like ROOT clan, so this is kind of a disappointing move I find. I just find players like Catz and Drewbie to be generally uncreative and overrated. Why not join another clan like vT or VG or LG?
Because your negative opinions aren't based on concrete evidence
EPT
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