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KillerDucky
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States498 Posts
February 27 2011 06:31 GMT
#21
Minor mistake: In your diagram you have Pool A 5th-2nd place all going down into the same "G" line, similar for the other Pools. Instead they are alternated to different lines to reduce the number of rematches.
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RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
February 27 2011 06:31 GMT
#22
This is brilliant. I understood it with one read. Hat's off to you sir!
Someone call down the Thunder?
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5713 Posts
February 27 2011 06:31 GMT
#23
I didnt think tournament formats could get any more confusing than GSL. I perfectly understand GSL format after trying to learn it for 2-3days. But the diagrams you provided, compared to the GSL ones, make me not even have faith in trying to learn it.

Also from what I understand. Losing in the Open Bracket and then making the top 12 in the loser's bracket is the fastest way into the Championship Bracket. Where as if you actually win all your games you have to then go through Pool Play just for a chance to get into the Championship Bracket. I don't see a reason to win the Open Bracket, more like throw a game near the end of the winner's bracket and then win the loser's bracket. Am I not understanding something as to why theres a reason to win?
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KillerDucky
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States498 Posts
February 27 2011 06:33 GMT
#24
On February 27 2011 15:31 Zooper31 wrote:
I didnt think tournament formats could get any more confusing than GSL. I perfectly understand GSL format after trying to learn it for 2-3days. But the diagrams you provided, compared to the GSL ones, make me not even have faith in trying to learn it.

Also from what I understand. Losing in the Open Bracket and then making the top 12 in the loser's bracket is the fastest way into the Championship Bracket. Where as if you actually win all your games you have to then go through Pool Play just for a chance to get into the Championship Bracket. I don't see a reason to win the Open Bracket, more like throw a game near the end of the winner's bracket and then win the loser's bracket. Am I not understanding something as to why theres a reason to win?


Look at the Pool Play part of the diagram. Tell me if you come from Open and get say 3rd in the Pool, where do you go?
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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
February 27 2011 06:34 GMT
#25
Makes a lot more sense now. 21 Bo3s, even if it is unlikely, is pretty crazy for a 2day tourny. I feel for the next Select.
McCain
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States187 Posts
February 27 2011 06:34 GMT
#26
A non-seeded player could play as many as 21 Bo3s. That's between 42 and 63 games of Starcraft 2, and if the average game lasts 14 minutes, that means approximately 12 hours of total playing time coming from the open bracket.

I think it's safe to say that this system will not encourage new talent to enter the scene.
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5713 Posts
February 27 2011 06:37 GMT
#27
On February 27 2011 15:33 KillerDucky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2011 15:31 Zooper31 wrote:
I didnt think tournament formats could get any more confusing than GSL. I perfectly understand GSL format after trying to learn it for 2-3days. But the diagrams you provided, compared to the GSL ones, make me not even have faith in trying to learn it.

Also from what I understand. Losing in the Open Bracket and then making the top 12 in the loser's bracket is the fastest way into the Championship Bracket. Where as if you actually win all your games you have to then go through Pool Play just for a chance to get into the Championship Bracket. I don't see a reason to win the Open Bracket, more like throw a game near the end of the winner's bracket and then win the loser's bracket. Am I not understanding something as to why theres a reason to win?


Look at the Pool Play part of the diagram. Tell me if you come from Open and get say 3rd in the Pool, where do you go?


Into the loser's bracket of the Championship Bracket? Again, would've been much faster just losing from the get go in the Open Bracket to get to the same spot.
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
Bayyne
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1967 Posts
February 27 2011 06:37 GMT
#28
This is sexy, thank you
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Diaspora
Profile Joined April 2010
United States140 Posts
February 27 2011 06:37 GMT
#29
Possibility of twenty-one BO3's? That's unreal. At the moment it makes sense in the interest of entertainment that the "high-profile" players naturally get seeded higher in the tournament but there must be a way to give the dark-horses a better chance then the possibility of 21 BO3's.
Ichabod
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1659 Posts
February 27 2011 06:38 GMT
#30
Thanks for the translation motbob. MLG's philosophy is a little different, but I guess it just sacrifices ease of understanding (alleviated by posts like this) for the benefits mentioned.
Cadgers
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States514 Posts
February 27 2011 06:39 GMT
#31
First the GSL and now MLG, tournaments are starting to have some crazy ass brackets.
echO [W]
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1495 Posts
February 27 2011 06:40 GMT
#32
Someone here is deserving of a quality post star. Thanks for the flow chart, without that I probably would've just watched the tournament until I figured out what was going on. Though personally I still favor the simplicity of a double-elim format.
"Or a school bus over a bunch of kids" - Tasteless --- “A man's errors are his portals of discovery.” - James Joyce
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
February 27 2011 06:40 GMT
#33
On February 27 2011 15:37 Zooper31 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2011 15:33 KillerDucky wrote:
On February 27 2011 15:31 Zooper31 wrote:
I didnt think tournament formats could get any more confusing than GSL. I perfectly understand GSL format after trying to learn it for 2-3days. But the diagrams you provided, compared to the GSL ones, make me not even have faith in trying to learn it.

Also from what I understand. Losing in the Open Bracket and then making the top 12 in the loser's bracket is the fastest way into the Championship Bracket. Where as if you actually win all your games you have to then go through Pool Play just for a chance to get into the Championship Bracket. I don't see a reason to win the Open Bracket, more like throw a game near the end of the winner's bracket and then win the loser's bracket. Am I not understanding something as to why theres a reason to win?


Look at the Pool Play part of the diagram. Tell me if you come from Open and get say 3rd in the Pool, where do you go?


Into the loser's bracket of the Championship Bracket? Again, would've been much faster just losing from the get go in the Open Bracket to get to the same spot.

Not really. If you were to lose right away, like in the Ro256, and work your way through the losers' bracket and then the Championship bracket, you'd play a maximum of 21 matches.

If you were to just win out, you'd make it into pool play, and not only would you have the chance to win your group and be on the fast track to the finals, but you'd play a maximum of 20 matches even if you lost to everyone. So winning out in the Open Bracket is pretty much always ideal.
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Raelcun
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States3747 Posts
February 27 2011 06:41 GMT
#34
Bob one thing I want to know is the part whre you said

If the Championship Match isn't an extended series, then the person coming from the Winners' Bracket has to win one Bo3 to win the tournament, while the person coming from the Losers' Bracket has to win two.


What if it IS an extended series will it just be the extended series for the championship? Because I thought that was one of the weaker parts of the format in the past.
Karthane
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1183 Posts
February 27 2011 06:42 GMT
#35
I guess it's okay. Would still like to see the grand finals being bo5 atleast.
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
February 27 2011 06:43 GMT
#36
On February 27 2011 15:41 iCCup.Raelcun wrote:
Bob one thing I want to know is the part whre you said

Show nested quote +
If the Championship Match isn't an extended series, then the person coming from the Winners' Bracket has to win one Bo3 to win the tournament, while the person coming from the Losers' Bracket has to win two.


What if it IS an extended series will it just be the extended series for the championship? Because I thought that was one of the weaker parts of the format in the past.

Yeah, it's just an extended series.
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Baarn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2702 Posts
February 27 2011 06:45 GMT
#37
Truly a great write up and explanation. Thanks.
There's no S in KT. :P
Sahand
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom114 Posts
February 27 2011 06:46 GMT
#38
very informative. thanks for this
Mainland
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada551 Posts
February 27 2011 06:49 GMT
#39
Anyone know how many points each place gets?
Hakukakotai
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada25 Posts
February 27 2011 06:50 GMT
#40
I had gone to the MLG site before this and seen their version of the diagram to explain this. I took me a while to figure it out but eventually I did. Just now I saw your diagram, took about ten seconds to understand it. This diagram is inifitely better than theirs.

Thank you for utilizing your organizational skills to our benefit.
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