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101toss
3232 Posts
On February 26 2011 13:38 CodECleaR wrote: God, Khydarian amulet removed. Many protoss, myself included, will probably go back to BW.... I have some faith that this won't be in the official patch | ||
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Lucius22
172 Posts
On February 26 2011 13:39 101toss wrote: I have some faith that this won't be in the official patch ye, i think so aswell, collosus are still too strong, they might remove thermal lance. would balance things out. | ||
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lebgduweb
United States3 Posts
God helps us all If this patch ever goes live and if it really does, then further change(s) should be made to counter this horrible Khaydarin Amulet upgrade removal. 1) Make HTs spawn with Storm OR 2) Make EMP researchable at the same cost as Storm and remove Moebius Reactor ( the +25energy upgrade for the ghost version) Change 2) would really balance ghost/ht and at the same time, it would prevent the massive warping in storms that caused the Khaydarin Amulet upgrade to be removed in the first place. What are you guys thoughts on this? | ||
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Nemireck
Canada1875 Posts
On February 26 2011 13:38 CodECleaR wrote: God, Khydarian amulet removed. Many protoss, myself included, will probably go back to BW.... Good riddance. | ||
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Paradice
New Zealand431 Posts
The mothership was *just* starting to find it's way in to a few late game plans - now they've killed the archon toilet, forget about that. OK Khaydarin Amulet was very strong, but just removing it... while leaving EMP intact... Terrans now have no reason to ever deviate from bio + reactor starport, it's all they'll need TvP, ever. And buffing the battlecruiser while at the same time removing the desire to ever get to it? I always had faith that Blizzard really did know what they were doing, that the pros were just being cynics, but great zombie jesus this is hard to take. The zerg changes... zerg need a buff. The infestor is definitely underused and I get the impression they're trying to buff it, but it hasn't worked. Doubling the DPS on fungal growth sounds good in theory but only 4 seconds isn't long enough for infested terrans. Basically, terran drops just got stronger against both P and Z by nerfing their spellcasting counters. In general, I'm really not liking the direction they seem to be going, where to try and solve balance they nerf things and remove upgrades. (void ray speed, now amulet, I'm sure there are others but can't quite think of them right now). I would much rather flip it around, balance by making more upgrade options. Provides more variation on mid/endgame (oh he's got marine stim but not marauder stim, how's that gonna play out?), more room for innovation in orders, more shortcuts to be taken. The thinking that led to Concussive Shells being an upgrade instead of by default. The last thing I want is more tech paths like Dark Shrine, where it's just an empty building... that's not that exciting. | ||
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Elefanto
Switzerland3584 Posts
what happened to fucking protoss, the whole design of the race is just complet crap in sc2 compared to bw. | ||
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IamBach
United States1059 Posts
On February 26 2011 13:38 CodECleaR wrote: God, Khydarian amulet removed. Many protoss, myself included, will probably go back to BW.... Cool. Welcome back. | ||
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Demarini
United States151 Posts
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On February 26 2011 13:38 CodECleaR wrote: God, Khydarian amulet removed. Many protoss, myself included, will probably go back to BW.... Actually, I would like it if they modified the amulet to be like the BW amulet upgrade so that it gave faster regen and a small energy boost (12.5). That would be interesting; no insta-storms at warp-in but still a reason to get it. Edit: Haha my bad, it only increases initial and max energy, not regen rate. I never teched that far in BW I guess. | ||
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flexy
United States182 Posts
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Sky0
United States214 Posts
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flexy
United States182 Posts
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L3gendary
Canada1470 Posts
On February 26 2011 13:40 lebgduweb wrote: PvT 41% win ratio and yet Khaydarin Amulet upgrade removed... How is that supposed to help P win against T exactly? The reason why toss loses to terran is mainly stimmed marauder timing pushes in the early-mid game. Toss lategame was generally viewed as easily the strongest of the 3 races so this nerf along with the terran nerfs will hopefully balance things out. I can see the point of some toss players saying tht collosi based armies will be the dominate composition but tht wont make the game unbalanced and toss late game will still be pretty fearsome. | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On February 26 2011 13:25 101toss wrote: You probably just made some terrans cry lol lol how so? hahaha, I am Terran and tested it out and it worked so I share my joy of discovering the 2nd generation Viking flower with my fellow TLers, Terrans should rejoice =D | ||
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Karthane
United States1183 Posts
On February 26 2011 13:42 Elefanto wrote: the templar tech is seriously the worst in the game, dt / ht are split, both are ridiculously expensive, and can be easily shut down by the other race. what happened to fucking protoss, the whole design of the race is just complet crap in sc2 compared to bw. As a zerg i can safely say that high templar are not easily shut down. | ||
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101toss
3232 Posts
On February 26 2011 13:42 Elefanto wrote: the templar tech is seriously the worst in the game, dt / ht are split, both are ridiculously expensive, and can be easily shut down by the other race. what happened to fucking protoss, the whole design of the race is just complet crap in sc2 compared to bw. BW Protoss was OP at the casual level. I think blizzard wanted it differently in sc2. Oh, and the marauder | ||
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Striding Strider
United Kingdom787 Posts
On February 26 2011 13:35 nalgene wrote: They nerfed it due to SmartCast function... Yeah I'm sure being able to warp in storms had no bearing what so ever. /rollteheyes | ||
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Leeto
United States1320 Posts
And removing the Khaydarin Amulet seems like a horrible idea. That just encourages both terran and protoss to be more one-dimensional by allowing terran to go tier 1 all game and forcing P to go the colossus tech path.. | ||
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Ratel
Canada184 Posts
On February 26 2011 13:46 L3gendary wrote: The reason why toss loses to terran is mainly stimmed marauder timing pushes in the early-mid game. Toss lategame was generally viewed as easily the strongest of the 3 races so this nerf along with the terran nerfs will hopefully balance things out. I can see the point of some toss players saying tht collosi based armies will be the dominate composition but tht wont make the game unbalanced and toss late game will still be pretty fearsome. the toss lategame is imbalanced against a 200 marine army.. yes you are correct | ||
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On February 26 2011 13:46 L3gendary wrote: The reason why toss loses to terran is mainly stimmed marauder timing pushes in the early-mid game. Toss lategame was generally viewed as easily the strongest of the 3 races so this nerf along with the terran nerfs will hopefully balance things out. I can see the point of some toss players saying tht collosi based armies will be the dominate composition but tht wont make the game unbalanced and toss late game will still be pretty fearsome. It's not a question of unbalancing the lategame, it's a matter of limiting viable options. | ||
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