Alot of Protoss' are spoiled. In BW they didn't have this Upgrade and storm was still scary. And dont argue damage. Units in BW didn't clump up as much.

they did have the upgrade,but instead of giving +25 energy at the start they gave them a faster regen rate.

flexy

United States182 Posts

February 26 2011 02:42 GMT

#522

I got a message saying the PTR is not available yet.
nvm forgot to relocalize

Spawkuring

United States755 Posts

February 26 2011 02:42 GMT

#523

The Overseer/Brood Lord nerf seems like a bug to me. I bet you anything that the Baneling morph costs 75 min/25 gas.

axellerate

Canada179 Posts

February 26 2011 02:42 GMT

#524

On February 26 2011 11:41 MK4512 wrote:
Community
"Hey! Look, people are starting to use mothership! We totally knew the meta game was going to evolve!"

Blizzard
Nerf'd

...

I called this a while back. I knew that once people found viable ways to use new units, they would get nerfed because other people failed to adapt.

BatCat

Austria630 Posts

February 26 2011 02:42 GMT

#525

I think this patch could be really good. Shame the PTR doesn't work in EU.

Durp

Canada3117 Posts

February 26 2011 02:42 GMT

#526

On February 26 2011 11:36 Dommk wrote:
As awesome as Archon Toilet is, I can see why they nerfed it. When you have a mothership out, it is actually pretty difficult to engage it, especially if there are some archons there, one good Vortex and it is lights out with almost no loss for the Protoss, it sucks that the Mothership is gonna suck after the nerf, but it feels like a Hero unit, it either has abilities that can completely change a battle and you need one, or it is mediocre and serves no real purpose

I wish they patched this instead so that the units coming out of the vortex could not attack. This would nullify the archon toilet still, but not nullify the power of thermal lance colossus + vortex :/

I really dislike the amulet change, though I do not believe that will stick. HTs are so effective to hold off bio or a drop with a warp-in storm. This will make transitioning from Colossus to HT so much more difficult. Not to mention, taking away the amulet (and thus ability to warp in storm-ready templars) will make holding mass muta more difficult as Protoss, since you can't warp in HTs to use storm to defend mass muta ball. (I imagine in multiplayer this will be a rampant problem, rather than situational in 1v1)

vrok

Sweden2541 Posts

February 26 2011 02:43 GMT

#527

On February 26 2011 11:41 ch33psh33p wrote:

Show nested quote +

Check the Broodlords. you'll shit yourself.

I already did. I though that was it. Now I have to change underwear again. So ridiculous. This patch better not make live or I'm gonna stick to playing singleplayer or something.

Decko

United States150 Posts

February 26 2011 02:43 GMT

#528

On February 26 2011 11:39 KonohaFlash wrote:

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It's probably a bug as these changes aren't in the patch notes.

I really hope so, otherwise Blizzard's ears might not be as attuned as they claim they are. I've heard from various Zerg players that one of their biggest issues is scouting. I think maybe David Kim needs a few other professionals around him full time, it doesn't seem like community is getting the patch changes it wants. We shall see though, no need to go overboard at this juncture.

FeeL_ThE_RusH

Ireland227 Posts

February 26 2011 02:43 GMT

#529

On February 26 2011 11:39 GinDo wrote:

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Alot of Protoss' are spoiled. In BW they didn't have this Upgrade and storm was still scary. And dont argue damage. Units in BW didn't clump up as much.

Yea we should 'unspoil' Terran and put EMP on Ravens then... 8)

MrBitter

United States2940 Posts

February 26 2011 02:44 GMT

#530

As a Zerg player, I'm feeling really sad right now.

Lucius22

172 Posts

February 26 2011 02:44 GMT

#531

protoss, zerg complaining that this is the most awful shit ever

terran: comon guys, ht, fungal, broodlords, overseers were too op. the game is balanced now

tmtx

71 Posts

February 26 2011 02:44 GMT

#532

On February 26 2011 11:39 axellerate wrote:
These need to be reverted right now.

- Khaydarin Amulet upgrade (+25 starting energy) has been removed.
- An alert has been added when MULEs expire.
- An alert has been added when the Chrono Boost buff expires.
- An alert has been added when the Spawn Larva buff expires.

The alerts are removing skill from the game.

Protoss players will never again make HT's...

Alerts could have almost as big effect on the game as the in-game clock..

sincerelysLeEpy

United States148 Posts

February 26 2011 02:44 GMT

#533

On February 26 2011 11:44 MrBitter wrote:
As a Zerg player, I'm feeling really sad right now.

agreed...the cast time is really going to hurt FG air

DrBoo

Canada1177 Posts

February 26 2011 02:45 GMT

#534

On February 26 2011 11:44 MrBitter wrote:
As a Zerg player, I'm feeling really sad right now.

I second that. Also love your stream keep up the great work.

Spawkuring

United States755 Posts

February 26 2011 02:45 GMT

#535

So is the PTR down or is it just me? I keep getting a message saying that it's unavailable.

Lipski

Poland373 Posts

February 26 2011 02:45 GMT

#536

On February 26 2011 11:42 Dommk wrote:
It did more damage and had a much, much bigger AOE, if you landed two good storms then it was devastating, not to mention DT's and Templars were made from the same building AND units had shitty AI so running out of the Storm wasn't as easy as it is now

the problem with storm is not dmg or aoe. the problem is, it's a very decent spell that is effective against majority of terran and/or zerg units, and lategame you can have it instant and anywhere because of amulet + warp-in. this is somewhat op.

i feel like changing amulet to give only +20 energy would be much better and cool change.

Spekulatius

Germany2413 Posts

February 26 2011 02:45 GMT

#537

On February 26 2011 11:39 GinDo wrote:

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Alot of Protoss' are spoiled. In BW they didn't have this Upgrade and storm was still scary. And dont argue damage. Units in BW didn't clump up as much.

I absolutely agree. Plus, this will force protoss players to play with some foresight concerning the warp-ins of their templar. Which ain't a bad thing.

grumpyone

48 Posts

February 26 2011 02:45 GMT

#538

On February 26 2011 11:38 ch33psh33p wrote:
Why are we ignoring the two MEGA NERFS to zerg?

Brood Lord up to 450/350

Overseer at 150/100

WTF?

Overseer at 250/100, when you include the cost of the overlord - compared to a cloaked observer at 25/75.

BLinD-RawR

ALLEYCAT BLUES50119 Posts

February 26 2011 02:46 GMT

#539

Archon toilets can still happen.

They just don't kill everything now,but most of the units die.

Chairman Ray

United States11903 Posts

February 26 2011 02:46 GMT

#540

This makes mothership pretty much useless since toileting units is 50% of why the mothership was used in the first place. Now it's totally not worth the price of stargate+beacon+mothership.

High Templers HUUUUGE nerf. HTs gave Protoss a timing window where they can do damage. Terran lost their stim timing, but still has their raven tank timing, so idk how PvT is going to work anymore.