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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
On March 02 2011 06:51 Reborn58 wrote: False...there have been numerous pros to comment in this thread saying that it should not be put through in the way that it currently is on test. Kiwikaki has said there's no way in hell it will go through. I don't see where people have got this "universally agreed upon by top players that it's OP" idea. | ||
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mousepad
United States136 Posts
On March 02 2011 06:59 PXShaman wrote: Day9 posted on his twitter: omg plz let me keep my khaydarin amulet. PLZPLZPLZPLZPLZ???? >.< I mean if day9 puts that many Plz's in a post I think their might be something wrong Its twitter. The blurb of opinions. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On March 02 2011 06:58 TheCookieMonster wrote: Yeah I'd really like to know where you're getting your "universally agreed" information from. My observation is based on the 90% of players on the forums who are in disagreement. This isn't high-level response by any means, though I would love to see a poll of pros only. From the posts from actual pros I've seen here on TL, Catz's podcast discussing the new maps/patch with several other players, and the last SotG with iNc, Tyler, and Painuser, it seems like the general pro consensus is that a nerf is reasonable but removing the amulet altogether is not. I personally favor a BW style amulet upgrade that gives +12.5 starting energy and +50 max energy, but somewhere between +12.5 and +20 initial energy is generally agreed upon as a nice range. | ||
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DreamSailor
Canada433 Posts
The Archon Toilet nerf is justified, but I think it makes the Mothership too much of a niche thing (As if it wasn't a niche thing already), then 1.5 seconds of immunity could be game breaking. Most players will throw the rest of their units into the vortex to avoid fighting potentially a maxed army with their remaining units. I think they could've handled that better. The Mothership itself was always a bad idea as soon as they didn't implement the Planet Cracker from that initial video. Most of the other things I don't agree with, but I will have to see how things play out. Bunker salvage needs to be nerfed, I could care less about build time, but even if it only gave back 90% it would still be worth it to drop Bunkers down. | ||
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dark fury
Sweden426 Posts
On March 02 2011 06:33 Kokujin wrote: the amulet nerf is almost universally agreed upon by top players No its not, Everyone thinks a nerf is justified (because it is) but i havent heard of a single pro player who thinks a complete removal is a good idea (because its NOT) | ||
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NicolBolas
United States1388 Posts
On March 02 2011 07:01 Offhand wrote: Kiwikaki has said there's no way in hell it will go through. I don't see where people have got this "universally agreed upon by top players that it's OP" idea. In which case Blizzard's work is done. See, I get the feeling that Blizzard puts one red herring change into every PTR, just so that the community spends its time complaining about that and not complaining about the other things. Then when they take it out, they can say, "See? We're listening to the fans!" | ||
Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On March 02 2011 08:19 NicolBolas wrote: In which case Blizzard's work is done. See, I get the feeling that Blizzard puts one red herring change into every PTR, just so that the community spends its time complaining about that and not complaining about the other things. Then when they take it out, they can say, "See? We're listening to the fans!" Never attribute to malice what can equally be explained by incompetence. | ||
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Redmark
Canada2129 Posts
On March 02 2011 08:19 NicolBolas wrote: In which case Blizzard's work is done. See, I get the feeling that Blizzard puts one red herring change into every PTR, just so that the community spends its time complaining about that and not complaining about the other things. Then when they take it out, they can say, "See? We're listening to the fans!" And what do they gain? A warm fuzzy feeling in the bottom of their hearts? Please. Skip the conspiracy theories. "Listening to the community" is not a hard thing. Everyone and his mother seems to think that their opinion means something. Figuring out which parts of the community reaction are worth listening to is the hard part, and I think Blizzard has proved that it's not too good at that. | ||
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NuKedUFirst
Canada3139 Posts
Early game T is going to change alot. All previous stim timings are down the drain.. | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10324 Posts
Remember how we complained when we saw the new Masters Icon in Patch 1.2? How we were wondering, wtf why does it looks shitty compared to what they showed at Blizzcon? Well, what I guessed back then was right; the higher you are in your icon, the more stuff there is  This applies to ALL icons. This is also why some of the icons looked quite uglier in 1.2 too. For Icons below Masters, they too have more stuff on them the higher rank you are. They look cooler now; the reason why they looked stubby in 1.2 is probably to make it so that the higher icons looked more artistically "balanced". They look REALLY cool now. So happy about this! Go to about 0:50 and you will see! | ||
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Doppelganger
488 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On March 02 2011 09:24 Doppelganger wrote: Why indicate the top 8 and not the top 10 players in a division? This is so random. I do not get it. top 8 could be in a tournament format unlike top 10. IE war3 style tournaments but with the top 8 of your division or something. | ||
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GinDo
3327 Posts
On March 02 2011 08:24 NuKedUFirst wrote: Any other terran players on PTR having some issues with stim not being up in time to hold attacks? Early game T is going to change alot. All previous stim timings are down the drain.. Well i always felt Stim to be a crutch. You can still put tones of pressure just with Conc. But i still don;t get the nerf, Stim pushes are really easy to hold. i think this is catered to lower levels. | ||
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
On March 02 2011 08:19 NicolBolas wrote: In which case Blizzard's work is done. See, I get the feeling that Blizzard puts one red herring change into every PTR, just so that the community spends its time complaining about that and not complaining about the other things. Then when they take it out, they can say, "See? We're listening to the fans!" This is mostly true. But if it weren't for the times Blizzard went through with a completely stupid balance idea, I wouldn't be worried. Protoss only has one strong tech tree mid-late game without amulet. Collosus are probably still the best tech choice in all match ups even when templar have amulet. Toss air tech still sucks and there's almost no reason to get a fleet beacon unless it's super late game PvT or you're doing a mothership gimmick build (ironically also gone in 1.3). | ||
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
On March 02 2011 09:24 Doppelganger wrote: Why indicate the top 8 and not the top 10 players in a division? This is so random. I do not get it. Top 8 is generally the cutoff for prizes in a lot of tournaments. It would be complete wild speculation to say that Blizzard's adding some kind of ladder tournament system, but it's a possibility. More likely they went with it because "Top 8" in some competitions it's normally the important figure. | ||
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Reborn8u
United States1761 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On March 02 2011 10:48 Offhand wrote: Top 8 is generally the cutoff for prizes in a lot of tournaments. It would be complete wild speculation to say that Blizzard's adding some kind of ladder tournament system, but it's a possibility. More likely they went with it because "Top 8" in some competitions it's normally the important figure. i wouldn't say complete wild speculation, since they said they had plans to do it during beta. | ||
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Trentelshark
Canada385 Posts
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ToastieNL
Netherlands845 Posts
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lolocaust_US
United States20 Posts
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