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I ran a few lings by a few people today..and its not like I killed all there probes or anything..but they quit....I'm like you lost 6 probes... its bronze...its not like the end of the world.
I've had 6 people quit after there first attack failed or they were attacked first and didn't handle it the best... neither of these were make it or break it attacks....
One of the games the guy ran his probes back to his main and told me he would have just been mined out too fast anyways...
Why oh why...does competition bread fear to this new generation of gamers... Am I one of the few guys who just sucks but clings in every game and makes you beat me... I know when I've lost...but I sit there and i try to make you beat me. you would be suprised at how many times... ling run by's will get you back into the game in the lower bronze leagues...
Does this new generation of gamers lack heart/dedication? They just go well I got behind so I'm going to the next game?
I decided to test this theory tonight...
I did one attack on people...and simply told them I am better than you, you can just quit now. GG. I actually had 5 people leave the games. Some guy whose playing a strategy game to beat you, told you to quit so you actually did...
I really do not remember this being a problem in the SC1 and BW days...but every night I get a game where someone leaves just because of the following.
1. ling ran by got a few kills more than it should have
2. VR rush failed
3. Terran stim push attack failed
4. 4 gate attack failed.
I play zerg mainly. I play to expand and take over the map. I play very artosis like, in methodology. Expand get ahead, get more ahead, get money to insta remax. at that point go take 200 army and kill them. Get upgrades while doing all of this.
I don't cut drones to ling rush or roach rush all in people. I make them attack me... my scouting is usually just enough to maybe get into a mineral line and do some damage, enough to show harassment, but never enough to kill early on.
I'm a casual, player but I'm telling you the more I ladder the more I want to quit sc2 because everyone quits 12 minutes in. why oh why I do not know...
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* People dont ladder for the same reasons you do
* People are different to you
* You come across as a jerk
* Some people just play for fun
I leave some long games sometimes when the opponent decides he doesnt want to attack but sit and waste time. I leave because its just points, because its boring, because regardless of the outcome I will not get any gratification and I leave because in the time it takes to kill or be killed i could have played 3 or 4 more interesting games.
In short, let people do whatever they want.
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You said you're bronze and you're winning games left and right because 1) you're better than them and 2) they early gg? Keep laddering and you'll find players who won't early rage quit. I haven't had your problem in Diamond or when I was in Platinum. Your opponents are Bronze for a reason
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Well, I'm in the exact opposite position. People try to do something stupid, fail miserably, and for some odd reason they don't leave and the game becomes a 20min 'I'm just waiting for you to RQ, I'm not attacking into turtlers" fest, until my opponent gets mined out and tries to attack me only to find its a 5 base vs 1.
VR rush and 4gate are pretty allin and, if they don't work, it is really hard to comeback from it, so there is no problem leaving after that. stim timing may not be that much, depending on how many barracks were used.
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I was shithoused earlier today, and lost 4 probes to his scouting probe.
After a, "Holy shit"
I GG'd.
course, I'm plat and I regularly play diamonds, so that's a pretty huge setback...
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The actions of players in bronze ladder games cannot be interpreted logically
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Some people are playing to learn. Staying in a game where you know you have lost (meaning you cannot come back unless your opponent makes a mistake on their end), you can learn nothing else in that game. People have already experienced the mistakes that have resulted in their loss so there is no further reason to stay if you are playing to learn. They can reflect on those mistakes if they are trying to improve rather than wasting time, hoping their opponent makes a mistake.
Staying in longer is often considered impolite and a waste of time. You are dragging on a game that has realistically ended.
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There's a reason these people are in bronze league. If you want to face against decent competition, where people don't just up and leave the game when an attack fails or the game goes beyond 15 minutes, I recommend improving and getting promoted to a higher league, where you're more likely to face people that actually try to play competitively.
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yeah...my zvz is horrible its holding me back terribly... banelingz should be removed from zvz 
On February 20 2011 11:57 Frack wrote:
* People dont ladder for the same reasons you do
* People are different to you
* You come across as a jerk
* Some people just play for fun
I leave some long games sometimes when the opponent decides he doesnt want to attack but sit and waste time. I leave because its just points, because its boring, because regardless of the outcome I will not get any gratification and I leave because in the time it takes to kill or be killed i could have played 3 or 4 more interesting games.
In short, let people do whatever they want.
I didn't know 8 minutes into a game was a long game...
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Same as the above posters. I would hate playing against you if 'you knew youd lost but made me beat you'. You're just wasting time for both of us.
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On February 20 2011 11:54 purecarnagge wrote:
I decided to test this theory tonight...
I did one attack on people...and simply told them I am better than you, you can just quit now. GG. I actually had 5 people leave the games. Some guy whose playing a strategy game to beat you, told you to quit so you actually did...
i would leave too i don't like to deal with BM children.
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a lot of people don't care about ladder ranking and all that stuff
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On February 20 2011 12:00 Dubz wrote:
The actions of players in bronze ladder games cannot be interpreted logically
This is the thread-ending response.
Bronze players do not play logically and efficiently thus their actions cannot be foreseen nor understood.
Edit: LOL @ the "im better than you" quit thing. I'm going to try that for the lulz.
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On February 20 2011 12:04 purecarnagge wrote:yeah...my zvz is horrible its holding me back terribly... banelingz should be removed from zvz Show nested quote +On February 20 2011 11:57 Frack wrote:
* People dont ladder for the same reasons you do
* People are different to you
* You come across as a jerk
* Some people just play for fun
I leave some long games sometimes when the opponent decides he doesnt want to attack but sit and waste time. I leave because its just points, because its boring, because regardless of the outcome I will not get any gratification and I leave because in the time it takes to kill or be killed i could have played 3 or 4 more interesting games.
In short, let people do whatever they want. I didn't know 8 minutes into a game was a long game...
yea your zvz is the only thing holding you back from diamond league
not your mechanics at all
people GG when they know they've lost
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What's the point in staying on when it's clear you are pretty much out of the game, e.g. 1 base timing fails or he kills the majority of your workers etc, there simply isn't.
You're better off leaving and getting a new game rather than spending another 5minutes wasting your time hoping for him to make a colossal mistake, before he ultimately crushes you.
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This is a really interesting thread, thank you.
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There are a few reasons.
People play to learn.
Morrow and probably some other progamers prematurely quit ladder games all the time when he was learning to play as zerg. The extent of which is if he loses a scouting overlord, he quits. He then just find another game so he can learn faster. Not only that, it also avoids having bad habits ingrained into your playstyle.
Also, Failing VR rush, 3 rax, and 4 gate are generally instant loss in higher lvl play unless you do significant eco damage. They might be just trying to execute those "builds" properly and so are better of finding a new game.
Obviously these things does not always apply for low level players and for some of these people, the reason might be because of things you said. But in sc2 community, staying when you are in for a certain loss is considered very bad mannered.
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Wait are you bronze or good as you say? In any case, people learning to play the game don't have a good sense of what they can come back from. They might not even know that workers can attack and what not. And people might quit once you start being an asshole. They could be little kids for all you know.
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This just happens. Especially when people cheese/all-in and it fails. They don't know what to do after it fails, they've only practiced up to the point of the attack, if they don't win, they think they've lost.
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why does this even matter? I havent understood that yet? seems like people get more mad over someone not saying good game, rather than actually losing..
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