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On October 16 2011 01:39 Valashu wrote:
Game knowledge is immensely important to me, if a caster makes stupid mistakes or starts repeating the obvious you've lost me as a viewer. (for example I can't watch TB cast, I just start getting annoyed)
As much as I dislike TB, I'm going to have to disagree with you about caster knowledge being important. Sure, they have to know some of the game (what the units do, what's strong, etc.), but a shoutcaster does not have to give an in-depth analysis to make an exciting cast.
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Too much knowledge and technical mumbo jumbo can ruin a cast of SC2. Jokes and knowledge should be used very sparringly, the most important factor is: excitement. The ability to put "over" what is happening in the game.
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To be honest, I don't care what the heck is going on on the screen. I have eyes. Please inform me about something I don't know, or something more in depth I might not have thought about.
Furthermore, it's a stupid idea to think that having no "game knowledge" is actually a good thing. It's never a bad thing to have game knowledge, and people who believe otherwise are either kidding themselves, or don't really know what it's like to have somebody who has never played the game before cast a game >.< A person with game knowledge can fulfill multiple roles in a dual-cast, and that's best because there are times when even the best casters drop something small or forget to mention a detail.
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Basically Knowledge is the key factor that will insure that your casting will at least be listened to. But if you don't have a lot of game knowledge, you have to have a lot of hype factor to make up for the fact that you're basically yelling out loud what everyone else can already see (husky)
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It all depends on the audience you are trying to entertain. I personally am distracted and frustrated by casters with little game knowledge. I often check up on casters ladder rankings and it is a consistent trend that diamond level casters infuriate me. But they do have a place for people who can't absorb the depth of the game and want to simply enjoy the excitement.
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I take a good analyst/commentator ANYTIME over a caster with little game knowledge. IdrA for example shares a lot of great info when he's invited as a co-caster and i enjoy these casts a LOT more than a guy that maybe has a great sense of humor but little understanding....
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Its okay if a caster doesn't have game knowledge, I just REALLY annoys me when the casters don't watch the minimap and miss drops and such. Also, I want to yell at my screen whenever casters miss some little trick that the players are doing, such as canceling a research. For example, look at this: http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors6/vod/66389 at around the 15 min mark, mma starts seige because happy is scanning him, and then cancels it right afterwards to mess with happy. However, the casters miss it and proceed to talk about how mma could put on a lot of pressure with such an early seige mode FOR 2 WHOLE MINUTES. Seriously, are they blind or something? The observer even moved their cursor OVER the techlab, SELECTED it, and obviously showed that the research was cancelled. I don't understand why casters don't pay attention to what their selecting, and its really annoying me.
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On October 16 2011 03:26 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 01:49 hipsterHobbit wrote:
Other people's perception is your reality. There's a fallacy if I've ever heard one.
You need to work on your logic TB.... If other people perceive you in a certain way, you can do nothing to change that, and denial doesn't help, because it is your reality.
I personally found your banter with dApollo quite normal, if you were good at starcraft you might even be up there with Tastosis on my casters list.
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No, Take, Pomf & Thud for exemple, they are the 2 most famous french casters. According to some GM i talked to, P&T do a lot of technical mistake when casting the games (althought they are between platinium and masters).
BUT, they do a lot of joke, they are really vocal and that's what people like i guess. That's why the have 20 millions views.
I got some comments from my own viewers on my casting, a lot of time i got "you're too technical and analytical, you're not fun enough"...
So i won't go up to say that p&t have no knowledge about the game because they do but because of the fat humour they manage to overcome their wickness into technical and analytical.
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I don't think it's particularly important, if you can sell it otherwise.
A nice example might be TotalBiscuit.
He admits to not knowing that much about the game, he doesn't cast SC2 "full time", he's not a great player, but he is such a charming chubster, has an awesome voice, is funny as hell and brings something unique to the table.
Let him cast alongside another, maybe more knowledgable caster and the cast can be as exciting as Tastosis' (or very very close to). The sky's the limit 
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I think it depend on the target audience. If the audience is at higher level, game knowledge makes the commentary worthwhile. If the audience comes only for entertainment, game knowledge is not a priority. That's why there are so many favorite casters. My favorite is, of course, Day9. He is both knowledgeable and highly entertaining
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Having great game knowledge is not important at all. I could listen to TB solo casting for days and not really have any objections.
What's important is not being wrong.
If they want to bring high level analysis into it, they need to be confident that what they say is actually correct. Or in other words, only state things you're certain of.
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I honestly can't listen to casters who don't know anything about the game. I just mute the stream when people like Moletrap, Djwheat, TotalBiscuit, or catspajamas are casting. It's not so much the fact that they don't know anything about the game that bothers me, but it's when they try to say things like "Player1 is doing X because of Y" or "this build is great because of X", or more simply put, when they say things that are blatantly wrong while likely full knowing that they have no idea what they are talking about. All of the above casters do this nearly every game they cast.
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The best casts I have listened to were the ones at the Home Story Cups where progamers actually casted or co-casted the games. So I would say YES the more knowledge the more interesting. This doesn't mean a rather unknowledgeable cast has to be bad though.
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if game knowledge would be important husky wouldnt be so popular
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On October 17 2011 06:24 Thebbeuttiffulland wrote:if game knowledge would be important husky wouldnt be so popular
To be fair, he has improved an insane amount compared to how he was 6 months ago ... or just 3 months ago. He used to make me cringe, now he just miss some stuff, but most of what he says make sense - my opinion.
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On October 17 2011 06:24 Thebbeuttiffulland wrote:if game knowledge would be important husky wouldnt be so popular
If popularity was all that mattered, Boxer would be a GSL champion.
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On October 17 2011 06:20 Leviance wrote:
The best casts I have listened to were the ones at the Home Story Cups where progamers actually casted or co-casted the games. So I would say YES the more knowledge the more interesting. This doesn't mean a rather unknowledgeable cast has to be bad though.
Could not say it better myself. Knowledge gives so much more to a cast then someone being good at talking fast and screaming when the banes hit. Ok, that is fun but without the knowledge behind it it's just not worth it.
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On October 17 2011 06:28 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2011 06:24 Thebbeuttiffulland wrote:if game knowledge would be important husky wouldnt be so popular If popularity was all that mattered, Boxer would be a GSL champion.
theres no competition for casters popularity the only value if 100k people likes husky and listens to casts that means for 100k people game knowledge isnt important
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I think SC2 has developed to a state where game knowledge is necessary to be able to cast well. At the times of KellyMilkies casting, strategies and unit compositions were still being explored even at the basic levels. Anyone then would be able to cast without much game knowledge. Nowadays people will just move on to those who actually knows what they're talking about.
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