On October 16 2011 00:15 AGsc wrote: You know your ratings system is inaccurately weighted when
A) Totalbiscuit and Artosis recieve the same cumulative total
Nah really though, I like the effort and the rationale but I would have, using your system, have awarded TB a lower SS score; since we are separating this category from ENV, I have noticed that TB can get a little awkward and even hostile with co-casters (he is fine solo on Youtube or w.e.). It actually made Valencia kinda weird for me to watch, especially with dApollo generally seeming like a pretty nice, jovial guy. I don't have specific examples because like I say, I didn't really tune in attentively, but watch for it next time a co-caster corrects TB live.
You don't have any specific examples because it never actually happened.
Hostile towards co-casters, you have got to be kidding me. Usually those comments come from oversensitive Americans/Canadians that don't understand how British people talk to each other.
On October 16 2011 00:15 AGsc wrote: You know your ratings system is inaccurately weighted when
A) Totalbiscuit and Artosis recieve the same cumulative total
Nah really though, I like the effort and the rationale but I would have, using your system, have awarded TB a lower SS score; since we are separating this category from ENV, I have noticed that TB can get a little awkward and even hostile with co-casters (he is fine solo on Youtube or w.e.). It actually made Valencia kinda weird for me to watch, especially with dApollo generally seeming like a pretty nice, jovial guy. I don't have specific examples because like I say, I didn't really tune in attentively, but watch for it next time a co-caster corrects TB live.
You don't have any specific examples because it never actually happened.
Hostile towards co-casters, you have got to be kidding me. Usually those comments come from oversensitive Americans/Canadians that don't understand how British people talk to each other.
There is nothing called "oversensitive". He simply expressed his opinions of the cast, and this was how he perceived your social skills.
On October 16 2011 00:15 AGsc wrote: You know your ratings system is inaccurately weighted when
A) Totalbiscuit and Artosis recieve the same cumulative total
Nah really though, I like the effort and the rationale but I would have, using your system, have awarded TB a lower SS score; since we are separating this category from ENV, I have noticed that TB can get a little awkward and even hostile with co-casters (he is fine solo on Youtube or w.e.). It actually made Valencia kinda weird for me to watch, especially with dApollo generally seeming like a pretty nice, jovial guy. I don't have specific examples because like I say, I didn't really tune in attentively, but watch for it next time a co-caster corrects TB live.
You don't have any specific examples because it never actually happened.
Hostile towards co-casters, you have got to be kidding me. Usually those comments come from oversensitive Americans/Canadians that don't understand how British people talk to each other.
There is nothing called "oversensitive". He simply expressed his opinions of the cast, and this was how he perceived your social skills.
There's no such thing as being excessively sensitive? there's a thing called a dictionary that might disagree with you ....
I am quite a big fan of TB, and I've never seen him be hostile towards a co caster, but maybe that's because I'm British and not oversensitive .....
On October 16 2011 00:52 Hider wrote: There is nothing called "oversensitive". He simply expressed his opinions of the cast, and this was how he perceived your social skills.
And he's wrong. Yes, there without question is something called "oversensitive". Woe betide we ever have a scottish casting pair, you guys would freak the hell out and call the police at how they interact with each other.
This is an incredibly common attitude amongst those who are not British who do not understand that banter is a standard part of our everyday conversations.
Edit : Hey look, to demonstrate my point, here's Canada's national boardgame! :D
On October 16 2011 00:15 AGsc wrote: You know your ratings system is inaccurately weighted when
A) Totalbiscuit and Artosis recieve the same cumulative total
Nah really though, I like the effort and the rationale but I would have, using your system, have awarded TB a lower SS score; since we are separating this category from ENV, I have noticed that TB can get a little awkward and even hostile with co-casters (he is fine solo on Youtube or w.e.). It actually made Valencia kinda weird for me to watch, especially with dApollo generally seeming like a pretty nice, jovial guy. I don't have specific examples because like I say, I didn't really tune in attentively, but watch for it next time a co-caster corrects TB live.
You don't have any specific examples because it never actually happened.
Hostile towards co-casters, you have got to be kidding me. Usually those comments come from oversensitive Americans/Canadians that don't understand how British people talk to each other.
There is nothing called "oversensitive". He simply expressed his opinions of the cast, and this was how he perceived your social skills.
There's no such thing as being excessively sensitive? there's a thing called a dictionary that might disagree with you ....
I am quite a big fan of TB, and I've never seen him be hostile towards a co caster, but maybe that's because I'm British and not oversensitive .....
I think your taking what I said to literally. If your the producer of a company you should design your product so it fits your target group. TB cast is a product, and its his customers who decides whether the product is good or bad. If the customers perceive that the product isn't very good, its not the customer who is wrong or having a bad opinion, but its the company (read: TB) who doesn't deliever the product that fits the target group.
To commentate for the community to have a good time then no its not needed......... BUT for the top teir watchers someone who understand more than the basics then yes to keep that audience you need to understand how what and when something happens not to explain it but to make sure the audience catches it
On October 16 2011 01:01 Hider wrote: I think your taking what I said to literally. If your the producer of a company you should design your product so it fits your target group. TB cast is a product, and its his customers who decides whether the product is good or bad. If the customers perceive that the product isn't very good, its not the customer who is wrong or having a bad opinion, but its the company (read: TB) who doesn't deliever the product that fits the target group.
Except you don't get to speak for "the customers". Haters gonna hate. Every caster has their critics, vocal ones, if organisers listened to those critics they wouldn't be able to hire any caster at all. Just because some random guy on the forums has the misguided belief that I am hostile to my co-casters (find one co-caster that agrees with you), does not mean the product is unsuitable, just that the customer bought a toaster to iron his clothes rather than a goddamn iron.
Watch this for an explanation of how British people talk to each other -
I haven't watched TB much, but from what I've seen he's far from hostile to co-casters. He throws jokes perhaps, but so does JP and Tasteless. I don't really like TB's casting style, but it isn't for any particular thing, for some reason or another I just prefer other casters over him.
On the other hand, I fully expect him to keep casting the same way, because many other people enjoy his casting style quite a lot, The amount of casters means you don't have to try to make yourself fit the mold, TB can have his way of doing it and be just fine, as he evidently is. You can't say his product doesn't fit the target group just because it doesn't fit your group; hundreds of thousands of people watch this game, and quite a large part of that group loves him!
On October 16 2011 01:01 Hider wrote: I think your taking what I said to literally. If your the producer of a company you should design your product so it fits your target group. TB cast is a product, and its his customers who decides whether the product is good or bad. If the customers perceive that the product isn't very good, its not the customer who is wrong or having a bad opinion, but its the company (read: TB) who doesn't deliever the product that fits the target group.
Except you don't get to speak for "the customers". Haters gonna hate. Every caster has their critics, vocal ones, if organisers listened to those critics they wouldn't be able to hire any caster at all. Just because some random guy on the forums has the misguided belief that I am hostile to my co-casters (find one co-caster that agrees with you), does not mean the product is unsuitable, just that the customer bought a toaster to iron his clothes rather than a goddamn iron.
I dont disagree with you. Everybody is different, and you cant make everybody happy. There is also no correct opinion or wrong opinion. But when you use the word "over", you make it sound like his opinion is incorrect, and personally, I dont like the attitude "If you dont like my cast your stupid", compared to the "If you dont like my cast its fine, but most europeans do" approach.
I dont disagree with you. Everybody is different, and you cant make everybody happy. There is also no correct opinion or wrong opinion. But when you use the word "over", you make it sound like his opinion is incorrect, and I just dont like the attitude "If you dont like my cast your stupid", compared to the "If you dont like my cast its fine, but most europeans do" approach.
But it is incorrect. Saying I am hostile to my co-casters is not an opinion. An opinion would be 'I don't like this cast'. That's cool, you are entitled to that opinion, but saying I am hostile towards Apollo for instance is the same as saying I punched Apollo in the mouth last summer. It's factually wrong. It's a completely misinterpretation. That's not an opinion anymore than saying water isn't wet is an opinion.
I dont care how britains talk to each other. THis isn't the point here. I have no doubt that you dont intend on being hostile to your cocaster, and he probably doesn't feel that way either. However I am just taking the view of the customer (or viewer). Its his perception that matters. Sure you could decide that your target group is only going to be other britains who understand the way they talk to each other, but I dont think this is the way your casts work. I think you see your target group is people from all countries who likes play-by-play commentary.
I dont disagree with you. Everybody is different, and you cant make everybody happy. There is also no correct opinion or wrong opinion. But when you use the word "over", you make it sound like his opinion is incorrect, and I just dont like the attitude "If you dont like my cast your stupid", compared to the "If you dont like my cast its fine, but most europeans do" approach.
But it is incorrect. Saying I am hostile to my co-casters is not an opinion. An opinion would be 'I don't like this cast'. That's cool, you are entitled to that opinion, but saying I am hostile towards Apollo for instance is the same as saying I punched Apollo in the mouth last summer. It's factually wrong. It's a completely misinterpretation. That's not an opinion anymore than saying water isn't wet is an opinion.
Actually, it is an opinion. Just like Michelle Bachman giving her opinion on masturbating being wrong 0_o
It might be wrong according to our logic, but it is still technically an opinion. But yes, I agree with you, he is being very sensitive and misinterpreting your way of speaking.
By the way, I'm Scottish. And yes, I would love to do some casting
I dont disagree with you. Everybody is different, and you cant make everybody happy. There is also no correct opinion or wrong opinion. But when you use the word "over", you make it sound like his opinion is incorrect, and I just dont like the attitude "If you dont like my cast your stupid", compared to the "If you dont like my cast its fine, but most europeans do" approach.
But it is incorrect. Saying I am hostile to my co-casters is not an opinion. An opinion would be 'I don't like this cast'. That's cool, you are entitled to that opinion, but saying I am hostile towards Apollo for instance is the same as saying I punched Apollo in the mouth last summer. It's factually wrong. It's a completely misinterpretation. That's not an opinion anymore than saying water isn't wet is an opinion.
Actually, it is an opinion. Just like Michelle Bachman giving her opinion on masturbating being wrong 0_o
It might be wrong according to our logic, but it is still technically an opinion. But yes, I agree with you, he is being very sensitive and misinterpreting your way of speaking.
By the way, I'm Scottish. And yes, I would love to do some casting
Do it, I'd love to see the reactions when you call your co-caster a stupid cunt then both laugh like nothing ever happened :D
I dont care how britains talk to each other. THis isn't the point here. I have no doubt that you dont intend on being hostile to your cocaster, and he probably doesn't feel that way either. However I am just taking the view of the customer (or viewer). Its his perception that matters. Sure you could decide that your target group is only going to be other britains who understand the way they talk to each other, but I dont think this is the way your casts work. I think you see your target group is people from all countries who likes play-by-play commentary.
Minority opinion isn't relevant. There will ALWAYS be people who have problems with a caster, always. We are dealing with a medium where viewercounts for individual livestreamed events stretch up to 100,000 concurrent and vods up to 500,000, a game with 3 million active players, do you honestly think a couple of guys on a forum posting actually matter in this business?
If I've learned one thing in doing this for a living, it's that the value of individual opinions is as close to zero as can possibly be measured and the internet acts as an echo-chamber for minority views. Ok I guess that's two things.
I dont disagree with you. Everybody is different, and you cant make everybody happy. There is also no correct opinion or wrong opinion. But when you use the word "over", you make it sound like his opinion is incorrect, and I just dont like the attitude "If you dont like my cast your stupid", compared to the "If you dont like my cast its fine, but most europeans do" approach.
But it is incorrect. Saying I am hostile to my co-casters is not an opinion. An opinion would be 'I don't like this cast'. That's cool, you are entitled to that opinion, but saying I am hostile towards Apollo for instance is the same as saying I punched Apollo in the mouth last summer. It's factually wrong. It's a completely misinterpretation. That's not an opinion anymore than saying water isn't wet is an opinion.
Actually, it is an opinion. Just like Michelle Bachman giving her opinion on masturbating being wrong 0_o
It might be wrong according to our logic, but it is still technically an opinion. But yes, I agree with you, he is being very sensitive and misinterpreting your way of speaking.
By the way, I'm Scottish. And yes, I would love to do some casting
Do it, I'd love to see the reactions when you call your co-caster a stupid cunt then both laugh like nothing ever happened :D
Thing is, finding a co-caster would be hard. Most people in Scotland don't like to sit down to watch sports - that way it's harder to beat the shit out of the other person when your team loses
I dont disagree with you. Everybody is different, and you cant make everybody happy. There is also no correct opinion or wrong opinion. But when you use the word "over", you make it sound like his opinion is incorrect, and I just dont like the attitude "If you dont like my cast your stupid", compared to the "If you dont like my cast its fine, but most europeans do" approach.
But it is incorrect. Saying I am hostile to my co-casters is not an opinion. An opinion would be 'I don't like this cast'. That's cool, you are entitled to that opinion, but saying I am hostile towards Apollo for instance is the same as saying I punched Apollo in the mouth last summer. It's factually wrong. It's a completely misinterpretation. That's not an opinion anymore than saying water isn't wet is an opinion.
Again... If you take the point of view of the customer. He perceives as being hostile, and he doesn't like it. Sure you could blame it on him not understanding the culture etc., but thats not really the point here. He is definitely wrong however if he stated that your intentionally being hostile to your cohost. But he is not wrong if he feels that your being hostile.
You are being over defensive and it makes u come off as a dick TB. Just ignore useless criticism without examples, don't attack their persona and tell us u don't care about our opinions.
Game knowledge is immensely important to me, if a caster makes stupid mistakes or starts repeating the obvious you've lost me as a viewer. (for example I can't watch TB cast, I just start getting annoyed)
I dont disagree with you. Everybody is different, and you cant make everybody happy. There is also no correct opinion or wrong opinion. But when you use the word "over", you make it sound like his opinion is incorrect, and I just dont like the attitude "If you dont like my cast your stupid", compared to the "If you dont like my cast its fine, but most europeans do" approach.
But it is incorrect. Saying I am hostile to my co-casters is not an opinion. An opinion would be 'I don't like this cast'. That's cool, you are entitled to that opinion, but saying I am hostile towards Apollo for instance is the same as saying I punched Apollo in the mouth last summer. It's factually wrong. It's a completely misinterpretation. That's not an opinion anymore than saying water isn't wet is an opinion.
Actually, it is an opinion. Just like Michelle Bachman giving her opinion on masturbating being wrong 0_o
It might be wrong according to our logic, but it is still technically an opinion. But yes, I agree with you, he is being very sensitive and misinterpreting your way of speaking.
By the way, I'm Scottish. And yes, I would love to do some casting
Do it, I'd love to see the reactions when you call your co-caster a stupid cunt then both laugh like nothing ever happened :D
I dont care how britains talk to each other. THis isn't the point here. I have no doubt that you dont intend on being hostile to your cocaster, and he probably doesn't feel that way either. However I am just taking the view of the customer (or viewer). Its his perception that matters. Sure you could decide that your target group is only going to be other britains who understand the way they talk to each other, but I dont think this is the way your casts work. I think you see your target group is people from all countries who likes play-by-play commentary.
Minority opinion isn't relevant. There will ALWAYS be people who have problems with a caster, always. We are dealing with a medium where viewercounts for individual livestreamed events stretch up to 100,000 concurrent and vods up to 500,000, a game with 3 million active players, do you honestly think a couple of guys on a forum posting actually matter in this business?
If I've learned one thing in doing this for a living, it's that the value of individual opinions is as close to zero as can possibly be measured and the internet acts as an echo-chamber for minority views. Ok I guess that's two things.
Again I dont disagree with you, but I just dont think you understand my point.
...Which (again) is that you think people are wrong if their perception of your casting differs from your intentions of the cast.
And you probably know this, but in business your intentions matter shit, everything depends on how the customer perceives you, which is why I used denied the existience of the word "oversensitive".
Does this means you should change your cast? No, I dont think so, and as you said you cant make everybody happen. But (hypothetical situation) if 9/10 of your potential viewers disliked the way you talked to your cocaster, it would probably be a good idea to change the way you talk to the cocaster, instead of accusing the viewers of being "wrong".
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