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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
On March 02 2011 04:06 5unrise wrote: I'm serious.. I even asked him and he says he doesn't own the game at all. Yet he still thinks he should be able to speak LOL, Rabiator is the same guy who argued for ages that pre-patch reapers were completely balanced. I wouldn't take him too seriously. | ||
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Hazomg
9 Posts
Thanks in advanced | ||
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dazaris
Australia23 Posts
Replay is here for those interested: http://www.sc2rep.com/replays/(Z)EGIdrA_vs_(P)Squirtle_scrap_station_sc2rep_com_20110303/5768 | ||
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latan
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TigerKarl
1757 Posts
But most players below ~ Master 3300 really struggle with this build. It takes much more skill to defeat this Protoss Unit Combination than executing it. | ||
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jere
United States121 Posts
On March 06 2011 12:28 TigerKarl wrote: I think the top players have found a good way to deal with the Colossus Void Ray Death Ball. But most players below ~ Master 3300 really struggle with this build. It takes much more skill to defeat this Protoss Unit Combination than executing it. But this is true of many builds. Pick the wrong one or execute one badly and lose. Push out at an odd time with more units vs tech or expantion and win. There are a few unit combination that can put the other player on the back foot or win outright. It happens and will happen for some time and then will change for something else. Thats why I like this game. There can be short games and long games one never knows what you will get. | ||
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dunc
Netherlands1105 Posts
On March 06 2011 12:28 TigerKarl wrote: I think the top players have found a good way to deal with the Colossus Void Ray Death Ball. But most players below ~ Master 3300 really struggle with this build. It takes much more skill to defeat this Protoss Unit Combination than executing it. No it doesn't. It's not hard to make Corrupters and then remax your army with a better army composition. This is one of the strengths of Zerg and yet many Master's Zergs fail hard at it. | ||
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Mykill
Canada3402 Posts
But dealing with corruptors is actually so difficult, I've tried builds so often and corruptors are just so good T_T | ||
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ALang
Canada288 Posts
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Hellhammer
Canada144 Posts
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rycho
United States360 Posts
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Ansinjunger
United States2451 Posts
IMO the best solution is going to be getting 4-5 queens early. They start to do really well when you begin to have multiple transfusions and creep is always good. Later, they are actually better anti air than hydras when you consider that they live way longer and can heal the roaches or corruptors on the front, and they have 7 range opposed to 6. The best part though is negating the phoenix harass if you have enough queens to kill them during a drone lift (or more likely, the second lift). | ||
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Parodoxx
United States549 Posts
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Raiznhell
Canada786 Posts
On March 06 2011 14:39 Parodoxx wrote: So yeah Artosis and Idra dont like protoss, is that the premise of this show?? They don't like Terran either. Unless Terran Mechs in TvP lol then Artosis approves. | ||
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usethis2
2164 Posts
Forge opening is almost unstoppable for Z while Z has to worry about offensive cannons, and once the expansion is up P has better economy. Immediately throw down a Stargate and produce VR/Phoenix, hunting overloads and queens, while completely controlling the map. Throw down Robo and from there build toward the death ball according to the scouting information gathered by Pheonix. Once the deathball is created you move out and win. So far the most successful strats from Z's are: 1. Early roach/hydra push (map dependent, very allin-ish but can definitely works) 2. Nydus (difficult to pull off, obviously can't do it more than once in Bo3/5) 3. Burst produce mutas/corruptors, preferably without letting P know ahead (very unreliable strat as anyone can imagine, often leading to base-trading situation) 4. Mass queens (I see this in ladder games quite often but not in pro games, I assume pros know better - especially GSL-size maps) 5. Drops (this seems to have the highest success rate so far) Very early Lair to Hydra rush and drops seem most reliable but they both are huge investment and kind of allin-ish whichever way you look at it since unless the first drop doesn't do significant damage the successive drops will be less and less efficient. | ||
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Lennon
United Kingdom2275 Posts
On February 26 2011 10:30 deathly rat wrote: Ok, fine I watched the show and now I have a little less respect for both these guys. Can't you see that the whole "counter" argument is circuitous. What they are talking about is almost every unit in the Protoss army all joined together in the perfect proportions like that just happens. There is a ton of things Zerg can do to mess with Protoss trying to get his perfect army, using Nydus worms just one of them that they didn't mention. It does "just happen". P sits on 2 base and creates the perfect unit combination. Nydus worms are crap especially when the P only has to defend 2 bases. However, Roach/Hydra drops off 2 base are a possibility. | ||
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Kevlar622
United States49 Posts
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Swissm
United States207 Posts
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EliteReplay
Dominican Republic913 Posts
On March 01 2011 19:24 PkP wrote: Defensive mass muta beats this hands down, deny scouting with queens and overseers and hide your mutas in a corner until the death ball arrives. It absolutely demolishes void colossus, so no I don't agree this is imbalanced at all. http://www.2shared.com/file/NY5cR5UA/Void_Colossus_vs_mutas_lol.html this guy was his first time doing the build, and he execute it bad, u have to do the void raid first in order to make Z wastes money on queen or spore, or maybe go ahead with hydras and this guy didnt know about your 3rd expo, witch can be scouted with the 1first void and denied for u + killing ovis | ||
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IPA
United States3206 Posts
On March 06 2011 14:39 Parodoxx wrote: So yeah Artosis and Idra dont like protoss, is that the premise of this show?? Artosis plays protoss. Please don't make useless / ignorant comments. Looking forward to the next episode. Hope it comes soon. | ||
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