• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 06:26
CET 12:26
KST 20:26
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13
Community News
Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge1[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation14Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada4SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA8StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!45
StarCraft 2
General
[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview
Tourneys
https://www.facebook.com/VitalHeatPro 2025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales! $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship RSL Revival: Season 3 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 500 Fright night Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened
Brood War
General
FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle What happened to TvZ on Retro? BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ SnOw's ASL S20 Finals Review BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[BSL21] GosuLeague T1 Ro16 - Tue & Thu 22:00 CET [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] RO32 Group D - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Current Meta How to stay on top of macro? PvZ map balance Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Clair Obscur - Expedition 33 Beyond All Reason Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine About SC2SEA.COM
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Dyadica Gospel – a Pulp No…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2154 users

VoidRay/Colossus in PvZ - IMBALANCED! - Page 27

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 25 26 27 28 29 65 Next
Warning. Useless comments that are deemed to be flame/troll bait = ban. If you have criticism, thats fine but you better have amazing support to back up your opinion. Otherwise ban.
MonkeyKungFu
Profile Joined June 2010
Norway154 Posts
February 16 2011 18:23 GMT
#521
On February 17 2011 02:56 JustinMartin wrote:
if toss gets 200/200 with collosi and voyd ray and you didnt tech to t3 or have only roaches,you shoudlt cry for imbalanced
PS:call this show please:frustration (shoutout to SotG)



fyi, void rays shit all over zerg t3, and that is a problem i think in all the match ups. Zerg t3 is just not worth it and yes, against terran it has its uses but you have to suprise him or else they will just die. And to all the peaople that say mass muta etc, yes this works in a perfect world where toss never scouts.....
..
Holes
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada26 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-16 18:26:20
February 16 2011 18:25 GMT
#522
Corruptors are already amazing, and they transition into a T3 unit.

Crying for a buff just because Zerg doesn't like Colossus isn't the way the game should be played.

Protoss were having trouble with Mutalisks, nothing happened and Mutas are still a good strat. But not imbalanced as once thought. The Protoss need to respond with the right unit composition and/or tech to something that comes much later than mutas (storm) or they just lose.

Now Zerg have an issue and there's a show about it.
freetgy
Profile Joined November 2010
1720 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-16 18:27:04
February 16 2011 18:26 GMT
#523
yeah and fungal shit all over Voidray trying to reach your Broodlords...

doesn't mean it shoudn't be used nevertheless.
dark fury
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden426 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-16 18:30:42
February 16 2011 18:29 GMT
#524
i can confirm that muta/corrutor works fine. And dont give me the "its too gas heavy" bs, if protoss can get away with colossus/void ray out of only 2 bases you certainly can do muta/corrutor with on 4/5 bases.
ALPINA
Profile Joined May 2010
3791 Posts
February 16 2011 18:29 GMT
#525
On February 17 2011 03:25 Holes wrote:
Corruptors are already amazing, and they transition into a T3 unit.

Crying for a buff just because Zerg doesn't like Colossus isn't the way the game should be played.

Protoss were having trouble with Mutalisks, nothing happened and Mutas are still a good strat. But not imbalanced as once thought. The Protoss need to respond with the right unit composition and/or tech to something that comes much later than mutas (storm) or they just lose.

Now Zerg have an issue and there's a show about it.


Are you sure that nothing happened? Maybe you should read last patch notes where toss got huge buffs for phoenix, halliucination and obs, and all of them helps dealing with muta.
You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity
dark fury
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden426 Posts
February 16 2011 18:31 GMT
#526
On February 17 2011 03:29 Alpina wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2011 03:25 Holes wrote:
Corruptors are already amazing, and they transition into a T3 unit.

Crying for a buff just because Zerg doesn't like Colossus isn't the way the game should be played.

Protoss were having trouble with Mutalisks, nothing happened and Mutas are still a good strat. But not imbalanced as once thought. The Protoss need to respond with the right unit composition and/or tech to something that comes much later than mutas (storm) or they just lose.

Now Zerg have an issue and there's a show about it.


Are you sure that nothing happened? Maybe you should read last patch notes where toss got huge buffs for phoenix, halliucination and obs, and all of them helps dealing with muta.


yeah but people learned to use blink stalker/storm to counter mutas even before the patch went live.
MonkeyKungFu
Profile Joined June 2010
Norway154 Posts
February 16 2011 18:31 GMT
#527
On February 17 2011 03:25 Holes wrote:
Corruptors are already amazing, and they transition into a T3 unit.

Crying for a buff just because Zerg doesn't like Colossus isn't the way the game should be played.

Protoss were having trouble with Mutalisks, nothing happened and Mutas are still a good strat. But not imbalanced as once thought. The Protoss need to respond with the right unit composition and/or tech to something that comes much later than mutas (storm) or they just lose.

Now Zerg have an issue and there's a show about it.


Yes, a lot of things happend. In its early stages phoenix got a dmg buff if i recall correctly (before it was utter garbage), then protoss figured out that a 6 gate timing attack is a counter to the muta build and toss also learned that blink stalker + psi storm is a viable option against a muta build. And on top of that after toss was able to deal with it, blizzard decided to reduce the phoenix build time dramatically, making muta builds completely useless (the straight out muta build that is).

Do your research....
..
ccHaZaRd
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada1024 Posts
February 16 2011 18:34 GMT
#528
a buff to corrupter would make broodlord/corruptor/infestor/ling that much more powerful in late game tvz
Barca
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States418 Posts
February 16 2011 18:34 GMT
#529
On February 17 2011 03:23 MonkeyKungFu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2011 02:56 JustinMartin wrote:
if toss gets 200/200 with collosi and voyd ray and you didnt tech to t3 or have only roaches,you shoudlt cry for imbalanced
PS:call this show please:frustration (shoutout to SotG)



fyi, void rays shit all over zerg t3


That's because t3 Zerg can't shoot up.

-_-
- I hate threads that end with "Thoughts?" -
Markwerf
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands3728 Posts
February 16 2011 18:35 GMT
#530
The proper solution to this unit mix for Zerg is roach, corruptor, infestor.

Infestors add a important thing to this unit combination: They have fungal which is fantastic against voidray + ground balls as they army tends to clump up over eachother. Also if there are many zealots in the mix fungal can simply disable them and stop them from ever reaching the roaches.
Most important though are infested terrans, they are fantastic against voidrays as they are light yet do very solid DPS. Voids can't really run away either because they'll lose charge and will get hunted down by corruptors then. Infested terrans also work nicely that they only pop after a while from their eggs so if you spew them in the beginning of the fight they will often pop just about the time the colossi die, which is exactly what you want.
Overall focussing colossi first with the corruptors then using infested terrans + the rest of the corruptors to clear the voids works really well, while roaches do their thing on the ground...

ALso really important, get attack upgrades for both roaches and corruptors. Don't really focus on armor it is highly ineffective against protoss anyway (high base damage on all their units except zealots).
MonkeyKungFu
Profile Joined June 2010
Norway154 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-16 18:38:27
February 16 2011 18:37 GMT
#531
...
..
Shifft
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1085 Posts
February 16 2011 18:58 GMT
#532
Mutalisks do absurdly well against VR/colossus army, as we've seen from some european zergs (I believe I saw Dimaga do this in a recent tournament). If the protoss scouts you going mutalisks they will probably respond with phoenixes, which do terribly against corruptors. So I believe muta/corruptor is the correct response.
=O
imareaver3
Profile Joined June 2010
United States906 Posts
February 16 2011 19:01 GMT
#533
On February 17 2011 03:35 Markwerf wrote:
The proper solution to this unit mix for Zerg is roach, corruptor, infestor.

Infestors add a important thing to this unit combination: They have fungal which is fantastic against voidray + ground balls as they army tends to clump up over eachother. Also if there are many zealots in the mix fungal can simply disable them and stop them from ever reaching the roaches.
Most important though are infested terrans, they are fantastic against voidrays as they are light yet do very solid DPS. Voids can't really run away either because they'll lose charge and will get hunted down by corruptors then. Infested terrans also work nicely that they only pop after a while from their eggs so if you spew them in the beginning of the fight they will often pop just about the time the colossi die, which is exactly what you want.
Overall focussing colossi first with the corruptors then using infested terrans + the rest of the corruptors to clear the voids works really well, while roaches do their thing on the ground...

ALso really important, get attack upgrades for both roaches and corruptors. Don't really focus on armor it is highly ineffective against protoss anyway (high base damage on all their units except zealots).


How do you get enough gas for corrupters, infestors, and double upgrades, while still being able to maintain constant roach production while being able to survive timing attacks?
roflcopter420
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden168 Posts
February 16 2011 19:01 GMT
#534
hai2u guise. Dont mutas work well against void gays? I mean, mebbe they dont charge up n mutas can be all like "lawl im outta here" and outrun them if they are losing the fight.

User was warned for this post
Its much the same as milking a cow
capnspiff46
Profile Joined October 2010
United States49 Posts
February 16 2011 19:05 GMT
#535
I love listening to the show. Interesting information and opinions!

I would like to make the suggestion that Idra get a mic or a more directional mic be used.

Artosis sounds great, but Idra's voice gets lost in the room.
LoL: Brouk
RemrafGrez
Profile Joined November 2010
United States180 Posts
February 16 2011 19:13 GMT
#536
Fun shows, but it feels so much like it's a set up. Like the two got together and said, people already hate Terran... let's see if we can get enough people whining about Protoss to QQ and nerf them so Zerg will have it easy.

The first show is basically saying Colossus is unstoppable. The second show attempts to throw us off the scent by talking about non-Zerg issues. And what do we see for show three? Oh, colossus is imba. Surely these guys aren't biased! I mean, look at show 2!

I'm not fooled.
Protein
Profile Joined August 2010
United States132 Posts
February 16 2011 19:24 GMT
#537
Lol.

Anybody remember when Idra whined about the roach nerf back in the beta and said Zerg was never going to win anymore?

Of course now it's an "obvious" change.
Next episode: Colossus and zealot. Is it imbalanced versus zerg?

Episode 5: Colossus and sentry! Is it imbalanced?
shinku)
Profile Joined February 2011
Japan12 Posts
February 16 2011 19:24 GMT
#538
full of arrogance from zerg. people are giving solutions like muta and corruptors but you refuse it because you don't like it?
do you think protoss enjoy staring at ramp for entire early game in pvt just to not die in first 7mins?
Protein
Profile Joined August 2010
United States132 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-16 19:54:54
February 16 2011 19:38 GMT
#539
Nothing to see here. I'm a dumbass.

For those who are curious, I took a psot from reddit that I thought had been originally posted there. Turns out it was posted here. go me.
DamnCats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1472 Posts
February 16 2011 19:38 GMT
#540
Corruptors are already amazing


We seriously must be playing different games. Anyone who says corruptors are amazing. Seriously? I cannot understand that statement at all. Roaches, ill give you, are amazing (although that may be just the simple fact that they are the one zerg unit that doesn't get instagibbed by this deathball), but corruptors? Amazing? I don't think so sir and I do not see how anyone could possibly come to that conclusion or anywhere near it. I would call them basically the most mediocre AA unit in the game in fact. Do they get the job done? Possibly, but not effectively.
Disciples of a god, that neither lives nor breathes.
Prev 1 25 26 27 28 29 65 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 35m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech127
Livibee 95
TKL 32
Rex 0
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 7442
GuemChi 2104
Stork 587
Pusan 474
BeSt 431
Larva 390
Leta 200
Zeus 158
EffOrt 138
Killer 107
[ Show more ]
Rush 88
Dewaltoss 67
ToSsGirL 66
hero 63
ZerO 51
Light 43
Mind 42
Barracks 37
yabsab 30
Movie 27
Sea.KH 26
Icarus 17
Terrorterran 17
Noble 11
Hm[arnc] 6
Dota 2
Gorgc1100
singsing801
XaKoH 485
XcaliburYe97
Counter-Strike
olofmeister1653
shoxiejesuss670
x6flipin396
zeus170
allub151
Other Games
summit1g15284
ceh9553
Pyrionflax283
Fuzer 264
B2W.Neo239
crisheroes215
Trikslyr36
ZerO(Twitch)11
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream14338
PGL Dota 2 - Secondary Stream1362
Other Games
gamesdonequick542
BasetradeTV33
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 13
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH192
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Stunt649
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Korean Royale
35m
TKL 32
BSL: GosuLeague
9h 35m
PiGosaur Cup
13h 35m
The PondCast
22h 35m
Replay Cast
1d 11h
RSL Revival
1d 22h
herO vs Zoun
Classic vs Reynor
Maru vs SHIN
MaxPax vs TriGGeR
BSL: GosuLeague
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Korean Royale
4 days
IPSL
4 days
Julia vs Artosis
JDConan vs DragOn
RSL Revival
4 days
Wardi Open
5 days
IPSL
5 days
StRyKeR vs OldBoy
Sziky vs Tarson
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-14
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
SLON Tour Season 2
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.