EPTHowever I do find that after like 5+ games I start to get a bit tired of playing and step away for like an hour or so.
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twen
Canada22 Posts
However I do find that after like 5+ games I start to get a bit tired of playing and step away for like an hour or so. | ||
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PointyBagels
United States90 Posts
ADD's symptoms are essentially certain personality traits. Some people have trouble focusing on things they don't find interesting, or have shorter attention spans than others, just like a person might be more calm and another one angry. Perhaps we should make CAD, Chronic Anger Disorder, for those people, and sell some sort of drug that could just as easily be sold without a name for it. Now to the point, as someone who's been diagnosed with this imaginary disorder, I don't think it really has any affect on my play, i'm a low level player, but my skill is increasing in a way that i don't find I am lacking on one area specifically. | ||
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hmunkey
United Kingdom1973 Posts
On February 13 2011 11:07 Dance. wrote: I've been diagnosed with ADHD and it has no bearing on my skill at starcraft. I think ADD and ADHD is bullshit, its a technical term for lazy and very lazy. Here's the funny thing about science and medicine: it doesn't really matter what you believe. Facts are facts, regardless of how many people think they're not. And seeing how no one here is a medically trained professional, I'm inclined to say you're all basically spewing bullshit with no real way to back anything up. | ||
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Akta
447 Posts
More on topic. Most people with ADHD don't really know how much it effects them which is not very strange. They don't know how it is to be neurotypical and most people are not aware of many details in their thought process and so on. If you ask people if they are good at something, for example rational thinking, logical reasoning, multi tasking, ability to focus etc most will start to think about things they feel they are good at that might fit the question which leads to that most people think they are good at most things. One of the research tools for ADHD(and other things) basically works like this: Letters pop on a computer screen at different delays. On certain letters the test subject is supposed hit a keyboard key, on others they are not supposed to hit a keyboard key. The scores and timing patterns in this test tend to be extremely different for people with ADHD compared to the neurotypical counterpart. Without any previous knowledge about the test I bet most with diagnosed ADHD/ADD would not think they would "fail miserably" if you explained how it works and nothing else. That's one detail about ADHD/ADD but I can speculate about how those timings etc effect playing a game like starcraft. In new or unexpected situations the ones with ADHD probably tend to push the wrong buttons more often than others and the actions and timings in situations like that are probably extremely irregular. On the other hand they might be more prepared because of possibly having a lot more scenarios in mind than others. And so on. "Acting before thinking" does not always have to be a disadvantage, it's quite possible that ADHD/ADD exist because of advantages to begin with. All in all I could guess ADHD/ADD is a small advantage when the game is interesting enough to make them focus, and a disadvantage when the "ADHD focus" is not triggered. | ||
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Reborn8u
United States1761 Posts
As it relates to starcraft, multitasking is very important. Having your mind bouncing between many different situations and factors shouldn't necessarily be a hurdle. Unless of course, it is affecting your ability to focus on the game itself, which would clearly be a handicap. I believe that if many of the "great minds" in our history were subjected to modern psychology and treatment, they may not have exhibited the creativity and out of the box thinking which they are remembered for. Perhaps, it is natures intent that some people be different, and it is with an extreme arrogance that some proceed with attempting to correct them or in considering it to be a handicap. | ||
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XXXSmOke
United States1333 Posts
On February 13 2011 16:19 tealc wrote: No it can't. It's absolutely ridiculous how so many people claim this without actually knowing anything about ADD. For me it's the opposite, I get extremely easily "bored" while playing which causes my mind to start this internal monologue which constantly jumps from a subject to another, which then disrupts me from playing the game. It's hard to keep up with larva injects and overlod timings, while constantly thinking of these non-starcraft related things. ADD is not being able to think fast, it's about not being able to concentrate on thoughts over a period of time, which is one of the most important aspects of starcraft. Oh yeah, I forgot that every single person with ADD has the same exact same experience........... I never get bored playing, Starcraft is therapy for me because of all the fast thinking it requires. | ||
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Jyxz
United States117 Posts
On February 13 2011 12:08 AndAgain wrote: Hmm, I'm exactly the same way except I even get tired after playing 1 game sometimes. I have no idea if I have ADHD, though. you dont have ADHD and niehter does he of course his medicine makes it so he can mass game its designed so u can mass study boring ass shit | ||
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KevinIX
United States2472 Posts
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opaque
Russian Federation89 Posts
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KoKoRo
United States186 Posts
Strangely enough I only forget that part. I can make units and do a battle at the same time. I just for some reason can't make SCVs constantly. :[ P.S. 3k Masters | ||
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Selkie
United States530 Posts
I've very strong on my macro, ups and all, (weak on supply blocked, but eh), but essentially, anything that requires forethought, I can do well. I plan it out, and I slowly and carefully do it. (I play terran, Diamond). Watching the minimap I find is pretty hard for me, currently working on it, and my unit control/micro is terrible. I don't find that ADHD affects my ability to play video games at all. It'd be interesting to see any results from this ^_^ Ok, after reading all of the ADHD exists/doesn't exist: I've been diagnosed multiple times. While it may be over diagnosed, there is a certain % of the population that IS correctly diagnosed. I also find that medication REALLY works. I've stopped taking it, as I hated the side effects. | ||
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Akta
447 Posts
On February 14 2011 09:09 Reborn8u wrote: Many interesting points in your post. It is my opinion that psychologists are too quick to diagnose a lot of mental illness, especially in children and then use drugs to attempt to correct their behavior. I think the ADHD term should be restricted to those who are severely affected. I think that many children are affected by over ingestion of caffeine and sugar at early ages which is sustained for long periods of time on a daily basis. Thus exhibiting symptoms of ADHD simply because of poor diet, lack of exercise and other environmental factors such as poor parenting and lack of discipline. I also feel that perhaps some people are supposed to be different in the functions of their mind and behavior. That the concept of "normalizing" behavior of people, especially children, is flawed. Drugs should be the last resort. As it relates to starcraft, multitasking is very important. Having your mind bouncing between many different situations and factors shouldn't necessarily be a hurdle. Unless of course, it is affecting your ability to focus on the game itself, which would clearly be a handicap. I believe that if many of the "great minds" in our history were subjected to modern psychology and treatment, they may not have exhibited the creativity and out of the box thinking which they are remembered for. Perhaps, it is natures intent that some people be different, and it is with an extreme arrogance that some proceed with attempting to correct them or in considering it to be a handicap. For one, what is mental illness, should ADD/ADHD be called mental illness? I don't think so personally, personality type is probably a better term. The use of the ADHD term itself does not feel very important. It's a term for something like all other terms and it's the negative symptoms that should be treated not the ADHD. Not sure if sugar and caffeine make people ADHD-like. Possibly what many think ADHD/ADD is like though. Thus exhibiting symptoms of ADHD simply because of poor diet, lack of exercise and other environmental factors such as poor parenting and lack of discipline. You are probably both right and wrong. Diet and exercise probably effect people with ADHD like everyone else so it should not be irrelevant. The environment is probably extremely important but most parents that think they can fix it probably make the kids futures worse instead of better. For example all research seem to indicate that people with ADHD do way better when you remove choice and when you remove choice there is no responsibility. It's hard to know if more or less responsibility prepares kids with ADHD for the future in a good way or if it will make them perform worse as adults. But if you for example try to make them take responsibility for their own school work you will likely end up with a bad result even if you tried to be very disciplined about it. And bad result because of bad parenting means the parenting was, well... bad regardless of the parents intentions. Which leads to That the concept of "normalizing" behavior of people, especially children, is flawed Yes it might be but the problem is that the environment is normalized and the people living in it are different. So change the environment someone might say, or isn't that already happening and has been for hundreds of years? No, it's the other way around and that's how we want it to be. So what is left, normalizing people so they work properly in the normalized environment or ignore the environmental problems we've created for the ADHD/ADD personality type? Which leads to the drugs part. When we swallow things, like milk and pork chops, things happen with our body and brain. Is it bad to swallow certain things? I would say yes but the term drug is probably not the best reference point to use there. I'm starting to get too far from the original topic but I believe that if many of the "great minds" in our history were subjected to modern psychology and treatment, they may not have exhibited the creativity and out of the box thinking which they are remembered for. Perhaps, it is natures intent that some people be different, and it is with an extreme arrogance that some proceed with attempting to correct them or in considering it to be a handicap. can more easily be applied to gaming. It's probably correct that for example feeling depressed has an effect on creative work. A lot of art would probably not exist if the creators were on citaolpram instead of alcohol or whatever but odds are they would have been happier. Both of those most likely make you much worse at playing starcraft but for example methylphenidate probably makes people with ADHD better players. We can't know what effect methylphenidate or more knowledge about the human brain would have had on certain great minds, perhaps we'd be more developed by now or we would have had more "great minds", who knows. | ||
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LoLAdriankat
United States4307 Posts
On February 14 2011 07:29 OPSavioR wrote: Source? can you find where he said that? He was doing a Q&A on his stream. | ||
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PineappleSage
Canada109 Posts
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Kyruel
United States91 Posts
and to those in this thread claiming that ADD doesnt exist - I am in med school with mostly lecture classes and I was having a very difficult time in listening to what the teacher said until I went on my medication. Now I hardly take notes and can remember damn near everything said. When I forget to take my medication at the start of the day I have a very difficult time in classes and can recall little of what the teacher said past the first 20 minutes of class. | ||
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Mangemongen
Sweden125 Posts
I was so good at math when I was little I got my own teacher because I was years ahead of my class, now I'm close to failing math class (9 years later). I can't study it; I just see digits, I can't think about them, they're just there. You have no idea how that feels. How can you not even google the thing before claiming it's bullshit? It's you people that always make it well in this world: the ignorant, cold hearted and super sure of themselves idiots. To the OP: I searched for this thread because I thought about the exact same thing last night. I think it definately without question is an asset IF you like every second of playing, but when it's not as fun, if only for 5 seconds, you start losing greatly because you can't focus on anything, and in Starcraft that time of total chaos (in your mind) is devastating. I think the reason so many with ADHD in here say it doesn't have a negative impact on them is because they love Starcraft. | ||
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Mangemongen
Sweden125 Posts
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Bean54
United States85 Posts
I excel at RTS because I am able to frantically switch between things and I am always moving my mouse and clicking, which keeps my apm and agility up for when I actually need it. It helps me swtiching between microing, macroing, etc though its still somewhat sporadic. I don't put a whole lot of time into the game, I have friends that put in twice as much and are stuck in gold league but I am a competent master zerg. | ||
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god_forbids
United States111 Posts
ADDitude Magazine is the best web site I have ever found in my adult life for helping cope with my disorder. Remember that dealing with your symptoms is about 50-50 behavior modification and medication; this helps tremendously with the former. The first time I found this site I clicked around it furiously for days and was overwhelmed reading all of the comments by people whose lives and relationships have been devastated by ADHD - and a few who manage to live well despite it. Oh nevermind they're all faking for teh 3vil drug companeeeey m0n3y$s rite? Dr. Thomas E. Brown of the Yale School of Medicine runs my number two pick website. Creator of the Brown ADD Scales and prolific researcher in the field of attention spectrum disorders, Dr. Brown has written many excellent books and articles (yes, peer-reviewed research as well) that helped me discover what parts of "me" were really me and what parts were merely inherent to the disorder. The information about comorbidities, executive function management, and "typical" life paths of high IQ ADHD sufferers was life-changing! ADHD.com has links to more resources. Their myth debunking pages, respectively - chadd.org, add.org, and help4adhd.org. One more link for doubters - ADHD Info Sheets. And haters, your kind have been calling ADHD sufferers stupid, fakers, lazy, spoiled and weak-willed for over a century (wait, you thought it was a new diagnosis? lol). So shut up with that stuff. It’s ignorant and insulting. I can try to educate the simply unknowing but overgrown schoolyard bullies will be ignored. ============================================================= As to the OP, the way a particular ADHD sufferer interacts with StarCraft depends on what type of the disorder they have. I find the experience of laddering tweaks my anxious reflex too much but enjoy a kind of 'runner's high' when playing at high speed. Managing many things at once is difficult more because I suck than because of ADHD, but things like Fastest Map Possible type maps are much more fun as they minimize the economic management aspect of the game. Overall I would say that StarCraft (2 especially) could be a good tool to help special education students but getting the motivation to play is tough even if you love it. The stress of a testing situation is not what motivates most ADHD kids and sitting down to play 1v1 feels a lot like that. | ||
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