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On February 13 2011 12:03 Jerax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2011 11:07 Dance. wrote:
I've been diagnosed with ADHD and it has no bearing on my skill at starcraft. I think ADD and ADHD is bullshit, its a technical term for lazy and very lazy. Are you a psychiatrist? Do you have a PhD. in brain psychology? No? Then please think over whether you should really make an ignorant post. To OP, I do agree that Starcraft could be a really good tool in helping kids with ADHD. And have fun doing it! You don't need a PhD to realize that ADD is extremely over diagnosed. I know personally many people with other legitimate learning disability like dyslexia who were just thrown on the ADD bandwagon and given no real help, only turning them into med zombies. Just because some guy with a title or degree says it true doesn't mean its always right, their are many cases of bad studys that people still believe like vaccines giving kids autism.
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having add I know that it really only effects you with stuff that doesnt really interest you in the first place for me sitting through english class is a struggle but math was completely fine same with sc2 I feel completely focus whilst playing
but to right it off another way of saying someone is lazy isnt true at all
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I haven't been diagnosed with ADD or ADHD, but I do think that a lot of people who have been don't really act like it or display any symptoms of it at all. I will take that serious cases do exist, but at the rate diagnoses are given out that nowadays it's been given a 'boy cries wolf' effect, if you will: it's been thrown at people everywhere so much that they lump in the actual cases with the not actual cases.
As for playing Starcraft, well, I'd have to say no, unless your ADD/ADHD makes you great at multitasking. Heck if you're good at multitasking in general you'll probably be good at starcraft.
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I remember IdrA said on his stream that he has ADD. Doesn't look like it's hindering him.
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From what I have heard ADD doesnt effect you all that much as you would think as far as Video Games goes... though Maybe Starcraft2 within itself is a whole different story.
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I don't personally have ADD, but my brother does. He had to go on some sort of medication until around age 10-12 (can't remember) where he got taken off because of the side effects. It doesn't really seem like ADD is actually affecting him. He was on the honor roll last semester and he doesn't need much help on doing his homework alone. ADD might be a serious disorder, but, like others have pointed out, it is definitely way overdiagnosed. It seems like they diagnose someone with ADD for just about anything. Not doing his homework - ADD! Talking in class - ADD! Getting a bad grade - ADD!
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Agreed, when i was a growing up there was no such thing as ADD or ADHD, the only medication we needed was a switch slap across the head from mom or dad while they said, pay attention you little fucker. Then they would tell us to go play outside for a few hours.
ADD cured.
Yeah... all people are equal. Little differences in brains cannot occur.... ever.
It's the most complex system in the known universe but if some of those 6bilion brains are a bit different they need a slap across the head.
It's like saying everyone should write with the right hand, people writing left hand need a slap across the head. Gays too. What? You don't believe in my god? Double slap across the head.
Could you say this too?
Agreed, when i was a growing up there was no such thing as Down Syndrom, Alzheimer or Parkinson, the only medication we needed was a switch slap across the head
When you were growing up they didn't know about ADD yet. I wish they had known when I was young. Maybe it's overdiagnosed but ADD does exist.
maybe you had some bad experiences of people using ADD as an excuse. But for me finding out what ADD is finally made me understand myself in such a way that I can do my work and arrange my life in such a way that makes me and the people around me happy.
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i don't think add/adhd would have any impact on how you play sc2. from my experience add/adhd kids are more drawn to video games. they do fine focusing on stuff they want to do but have a hard time focusing on school because, well, it's schoolwork -_-
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Honestly? have you never heard of overdiagnosing add and adhd?
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I believe people with ADD have no problems if they're on a good medication that works, brings their attention level up to average or maybe a little higher.
Taking amphetamines and ritalin when you DON'T have ADD should be considered cheating imo, and I'm sure there's lots of SC2 players who use these, maybe even some pros.
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I've been diagnosed with add but it seems it doesn't affect me that much for starcraft, the only thing i seem to do worse than my opponents are constantly losing my first scouting overlord and forgetting about stuff all over the map  i know all people does that but me to a higher extent than others at my level. I'm in masters league though so i can still play the game.
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I have ADD and I find it impossible to play the game for extended periods, even when I want to (day9 hypes me up etc) - in fact I played maybe 30 minutes in the last 2 weeks..
I have no trouble playing MMOs for 6 hours at a time however, even though they are kinda grindy, though I avoid the grindier MMOs.
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On February 13 2011 13:29 Alejandrisha wrote:
i don't think add/adhd would have any impact on how you play sc2. from my experience add/adhd kids are more drawn to video games. they do fine focusing on stuff they want to do but have a hard time focusing on school because, well, it's schoolwork -_-
That's only true when the person gets older or when the activity requires very little logical focus. Using my brother as an example, he fucking ROCKED playing counter strike, because it was all about reactions and less about "oh if it is like this then I do this, if it is like that then I do that!".
I reckon he should be excellent as an aggressive player rather than a reactive player, but maybe that's just him.
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I have kind of strong ADD, and I've taken medication for it since around seventh grade (in college now.)
It doesn't affect me normally, but my medication wears off around 9:30 or so, and I can't win a 1v1 to save my life after that time. It's just impossible to remember all the tasks that need to get done during a game. I lost a game today because after I killed my opponent's push I double expanded, was able to defend the double expansions, and built four refineries - and then forgot to put any workers in the refineries for the rest of the game, even though I could barely make anything but marines. There's a lot of stuff like that - it's much more difficult to keep from being supply capped once my medication wears off, for example. I think if ADD is strong enough it can definitely have a big impact on how you play the game. I can play in mid-diamond if I only play in the afternoon, but if I try to play after 9:30 I can barely beat mid platinum players.
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On February 13 2011 13:00 SleepSheep wrote:
ADD is serious, jesus christ. People gotta stop shrugging it off cause itll make people who have it not get treatment for this extremely disabling disorder.
I think you're making it seem far worse than it actually is. I have ADD, I day dream, I don't pay attention to things, but if I want to, I will. ADD/ADHD are kind of a joke to me to be completely honest.
As for starcraft, I'm high diamond and rising. I don't find it difficult at all to play and concentrate on the game, or anything for that matter.
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Also, if I want to play a bunch of games, I need to take my medicine or I'll get tired of gaming after 2-3 1v1s
I'm a bit worried about this medicine. How tired are you talking about? I think it's quite natural that people get tired after even an couple games, or 30+ minutes let's say. If you're exhausted, that's another story, but if you're feeling groggy, that's pretty normal to me at least.
Just want to share my experience so that you won't "overdose" or use something that's unnecessary xD
Interesting topic though. When I learned that some presidents (Bush) had ADD (or was it ADHD?) and that it helped them in some ways, it was a bit surprising but also interesting.
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To the OP:
I think it's a stretch. As much as we would all love more starcraft in every aspect of our lives, there are better ways to educate.
To everyone talking about whether ADD/ADHD are real:
I think that it's real, but only a very small portion of people diagnosed actually have it. My brother and I have both been diagnosed with ADD. he's dropped out of a local college several times, and I am an actuary. I think he's just lazier than me.
That being said, The idea that someone could have serious difficultly concentrating, beyond the norm and unrelated to upbringing, is not at all far fetched.
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ADD can help your starcraft
A typical syndrome of ADD is shifting thoughts constantly, which can help my brain process quick things fast in starcraft. However in school this is not so good o.0
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ADD is an infestation in america right now because of the euphoric effects of adderall, who the hell wouldn't want to say they can't concentrate and be prescribed some amphetamine salts to abuse on the weekends. I have many, many friends that get Rx'd + eat them for fun, sell them, etc. and aren't really bad ADD or anything of the sort.
btw i have played sc on adderall and it feels like my response speed and reflexes are much better than if i play sober
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