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+ Show Spoiler +On February 13 2011 11:22 Zephirdd wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2011 11:07 Dance. wrote:
I've been diagnosed with ADHD and it has no bearing on my skill at starcraft. I think ADD and ADHD is bullshit, its a technical term for lazy and very lazy. Don't say that, REALLY. My older brother was diagnosed with both ADD and ADHD. My family is known for having intelligent members: my father is known all over Brazil as the CEO of one of the best Radio companies and Motorola reseller; My mother was a professor, used to be the CEO of the Mail company("Correios") of my city, and now is the financial director of the said company; I, myself, always had excellent grades considering that I slept at least 40% of all my classes, and was first in an exam to enter university. My older brother, however, never had anything like that. He isn't stupid, he isn't lazy or anything like that. In fact, he is the one that does the most of my family, but nothing related to "SCHOOL". He has excellent drawing skills(doing a particular university for architeture atm), incredible creativity and everything he has passion for, like cars and planes, he HAS passion, knowing EVERYTHING about these. When he was younger, my mother would help him study for straight 6 hours a day just so he wouldn't repeat the year - which failed by his 5th year of school(about 11 years). He would NOT understand what he was studying - maybe during the first five minutes, but a fly that pass by would completly erase everything he would learn at that moment. By his 11 years, he was diagnosed with it, something to do with his brain connections even, and had to take Ritalin - a "black-tie", or high danger, medicine - and suddenly he would be able to study. However, his base was already destroyed, so he wouldn't catchup for anything else. Had he been diagnosed earlier - although people didnt even knew about the existance of that at that time - he would be a "genius", since he puts so much effort into anything he does. ADD and ADHD are REAL and SERIOUS. I see that every single day by my side. I've seen that in many other friends of mine. Relating to SC2, no, there shouldn't be any problem at all.
You are right of course, and I apologize if I offended you. I guess what I meant to say so many people use ADD as an excuse to why someone doesn't pay attention in school, or why they don't do well.
EDIT: On February 13 2011 11:27 ktimekiller wrote:
The poster you quoted may have been a bit too broad, but it is arguable that ADD and ADHD now is being over diagnosed to the point of simply being an excuse for children being children, and less intelligent children being not quite as smart as others.
He stated it better than me.
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On February 13 2011 11:07 Dance. wrote:
I've been diagnosed with ADHD and it has no bearing on my skill at starcraft. I think ADD and ADHD is bullshit, its a technical term for lazy and very lazy.
Seriously cut the BS! You have no clue about it(even if you allegedly have it) if you think its BS!
If youve ever actually seen a kid with ADHD you'll know that calling them lazy is so wrong and offensive and in very VERY poor taste imo...
Edit: sorry for being so confrontational! I just read your reply post... But please think before saying stuff like that, man 
On February 13 2011 11:27 ktimekiller wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2011 11:22 Zephirdd wrote:On February 13 2011 11:07 Dance. wrote:
I've been diagnosed with ADHD and it has no bearing on my skill at starcraft. I think ADD and ADHD is bullshit, its a technical term for lazy and very lazy. Don't say that, REALLY. My older brother was diagnosed with both ADD and ADHD. My family is known for having intelligent members: my father is known all over Brazil as the CEO of one of the best Radio companies and Motorola reseller; My mother was a professor, used to be the CEO of the Mail company("Correios") of my city, and now is the financial director of the said company; I, myself, always had excellent grades considering that I slept at least 40% of all my classes, and was first in an exam to enter university. My older brother, however, never had anything like that. He isn't stupid, he isn't lazy or anything like that. In fact, he is the one that does the most of my family, but nothing related to "SCHOOL". He has excellent drawing skills(doing a particular university for architeture atm), incredible creativity and everything he has passion for, like cars and planes, he HAS passion, knowing EVERYTHING about these. When he was younger, my mother would help him study for straight 6 hours a day just so he wouldn't repeat the year - which failed by his 5th year of school(about 11 years). He would NOT understand what he was studying - maybe during the first five minutes, but a fly that pass by would completly erase everything he would learn at that moment. By his 11 years, he was diagnosed with it, something to do with his brain connections even, and had to take Ritalin - a "black-tie", or high danger, medicine - and suddenly he would be able to study. However, his base was already destroyed, so he wouldn't catchup for anything else. Had he been diagnosed earlier - although people didnt even knew about the existance of that at that time - he would be a "genius", since he puts so much effort into anything he does. ADD and ADHD are REAL and SERIOUS. I see that every single day by my side. I've seen that in many other friends of mine. Relating to SC2, no, there shouldn't be any problem at all. The poster you quoted may have been a bit too broad, but it is arguable that ADD and ADHD now is being over diagnosed to the point of simply being an excuse for children being children, and less intelligent children being not quite as smart as others.
You do know theres a clear criteria for diagnosis, right!?
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On February 13 2011 11:28 Dance. wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 13 2011 11:22 Zephirdd wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2011 11:07 Dance. wrote:
I've been diagnosed with ADHD and it has no bearing on my skill at starcraft. I think ADD and ADHD is bullshit, its a technical term for lazy and very lazy. Don't say that, REALLY. My older brother was diagnosed with both ADD and ADHD. My family is known for having intelligent members: my father is known all over Brazil as the CEO of one of the best Radio companies and Motorola reseller; My mother was a professor, used to be the CEO of the Mail company("Correios") of my city, and now is the financial director of the said company; I, myself, always had excellent grades considering that I slept at least 40% of all my classes, and was first in an exam to enter university. My older brother, however, never had anything like that. He isn't stupid, he isn't lazy or anything like that. In fact, he is the one that does the most of my family, but nothing related to "SCHOOL". He has excellent drawing skills(doing a particular university for architeture atm), incredible creativity and everything he has passion for, like cars and planes, he HAS passion, knowing EVERYTHING about these. When he was younger, my mother would help him study for straight 6 hours a day just so he wouldn't repeat the year - which failed by his 5th year of school(about 11 years). He would NOT understand what he was studying - maybe during the first five minutes, but a fly that pass by would completly erase everything he would learn at that moment. By his 11 years, he was diagnosed with it, something to do with his brain connections even, and had to take Ritalin - a "black-tie", or high danger, medicine - and suddenly he would be able to study. However, his base was already destroyed, so he wouldn't catchup for anything else. Had he been diagnosed earlier - although people didnt even knew about the existance of that at that time - he would be a "genius", since he puts so much effort into anything he does. ADD and ADHD are REAL and SERIOUS. I see that every single day by my side. I've seen that in many other friends of mine. Relating to SC2, no, there shouldn't be any problem at all. You are right of course, and I apologize if I offended you. I guess what I meant to say so many people use ADD as an excuse to why someone doesn't pay attention in school, or why they don't do well.
Yeah, now that you say it I think I kinda of overreacted. Still, people shouldn't "underestimate"(in the lack of a better word) that disfunction, it is real and painful. I do believe that it is overdiagnosed tho.
This reminds me:
+ Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://capinaremos.com/files/2010/01/preguica.jpg) I couldn't find the original english image, but it translates as: - The perception of a problem - (Left) Socially Unaccaptable Mom: "Bruno, why didn't you do your homework?" Kid: "Laziness." (Right) Scially Acceptable Mom: "Bruno why didn't ou do your homework?" Kid: " Pathologic Laziness"
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We should probably stop derailing this thread to an argument of the "legitamacy" of ADD. I'm sorry that my comment started it, but we should keep it on the OP topic.
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i have adhd and i am a zerg. i Always forget the get overlords and i have a hard time trying to think of how to react and continue playing i am good at doing things with money but the overlords and also remembering what i hotkeyed is hard. Its alot harder to get better but if i try hard i veryyyy slowly get better but the overlords kill me nice post ^>^
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I think that in game it would only mess up with some late game macro stuff. However, I think it would really hurt if you starting to play the game and need to learn everything about it.
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[B]On February 13 2011 11:07 Dance. wrote:
t. I think ADD and ADHD is bullshit, its a technical term for lazy and very lazy.
This is really crap.
It's like those people saying: "Add and ADHD are sooo hyped"
Oh! Maybe this is because they just recently found out about ADD and that 5% of humans have it and now finally feel a bit more understood?
No! They are just lazy! It's hyped! Terran is Imba! WC3 players suck!
Lazy... Come on man.
The differences with normal brains show up on brain scans.
I'm a 36 year old guy, trying to cope with a normal 9 - 5 job. I struggled all my life with myself. Why I cannot listen to someone talking for more than a few minutes and then my focus is gone. Why I got bored of jobs so fast. Why I had 20 relations that didn't survive for more than a few months.
Made me really depressed, until I found out I have ADD. And now all the puzzle pieces are falling in place.
About the OP, yes it matters. Sometimes I can hyperfocus for days on a row and reach some kind of flow/zone and win a lot more than the 50:50 I win normally.
When I login to SC2 when I really want to play, not just out of habit, then I usually win. If I just log on out of habit I usually lose.
ADD has a lot to do with interest.
My boss acknoledges this and now I shine at my work being the only person able to finish difficult (interesting) last minute projects fast. They don't ask me to repeat it because they know I will fail. I cannot repeat the same trick over and over like normal people can until they are 65 and retire, but I'm the guy who solves weird out of the box problems last minute
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I'm also zerg. It seems like everyone who said they were ADD plays zerg. Hmmm interesting. Maybe thats the race that appeals most to short attention spans
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On February 13 2011 11:50 Beef Noodles wrote:
I'm also zerg. It seems like everyone who said they were ADD plays zerg. Hmmm interesting. Maybe thats the race that appeals most to short attention spans
maybe you guys just love the fact that you can supply unblock via hotkeys without sending workers lol. I love it too, thats why Im zerg.
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On February 13 2011 11:07 Dance. wrote:
I've been diagnosed with ADHD and it has no bearing on my skill at starcraft. I think ADD and ADHD is bullshit, its a technical term for lazy and very lazy.
Are you a psychiatrist? Do you have a PhD. in brain psychology? No? Then please think over whether you should really make an ignorant post.
To OP, I do agree that Starcraft could be a really good tool in helping kids with ADHD. And have fun doing it!
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On February 13 2011 11:50 Beef Noodles wrote:
I'm also zerg. It seems like everyone who said they were ADD plays zerg. Hmmm interesting. Maybe thats the race that appeals most to short attention spans
I recall that Z is much more popular on TL. Could be that.
In any case, I appreciate the responses from everyone. Ignoring the argument about overdiagnosis (which I probably should have seen coming ^_^).. it's interesting that there wouldn't be any real issues in this context, as seems to be the consensus. I do see the point that one poster made about being able to switch attention between several fun foci all the time.
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On February 13 2011 11:10 Beef Noodles wrote:
I'm ADHD and I'm 2200 master league. The only times I think it matters are in the late late game vs a turtling player. I get so tired of focusing, I just attack even if its a bad idea. Also, if I want to play a bunch of games, I need to take my medicine or I'll get tired of gaming after 2-3 1v1s
Hmm, I'm exactly the same way except I even get tired after playing 1 game sometimes. I have no idea if I have ADHD, though.
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My doc likes to compare ADD as a "in the woods" protection mechinism. so you can't focus on one thing but instead you focus on the most pertinent thing at hand--which I suppose could be related to having better combat skills such as having a faster reaction time.
One of the big problems for me (in sc2) is doing one thing for too long and then be like Crap i forgot about macro/teching/expanding etc... so i think add definitely could play as an advantage.
so HAH, it makes me a better gamer. trollface.jpeg
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ADD/ADHD is grossly over-diagnosed. Physicians are paid by pharmaceutical companies to prescribe as much as they do, so something ridiculous like 95% of patients who are diagnosed with ADD/ADHD are in fact just suffering from a strange disease known as puberty or adolescence.
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On February 13 2011 11:07 Dance. wrote:
I've been diagnosed with ADHD and it has no bearing on my skill at starcraft. I think ADD and ADHD is bullshit, its a technical term for lazy and very lazy.
Agreed, to an extent. ADHD/ADD are slapped around a lot towards younger children when they're just energetic or hyper at that age (I'm a prime example).
There was a time (the 80s? I dunno) where these were legitimate. Kinda like how dyslexia is nowadays, though that's a bit different in terms of evaluations and such.
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On February 13 2011 11:27 ktimekiller wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2011 11:22 Zephirdd wrote:On February 13 2011 11:07 Dance. wrote:
I've been diagnosed with ADHD and it has no bearing on my skill at starcraft. I think ADD and ADHD is bullshit, its a technical term for lazy and very lazy. Don't say that, REALLY. My older brother was diagnosed with both ADD and ADHD. My family is known for having intelligent members: my father is known all over Brazil as the CEO of one of the best Radio companies and Motorola reseller; My mother was a professor, used to be the CEO of the Mail company("Correios") of my city, and now is the financial director of the said company; I, myself, always had excellent grades considering that I slept at least 40% of all my classes, and was first in an exam to enter university. My older brother, however, never had anything like that. He isn't stupid, he isn't lazy or anything like that. In fact, he is the one that does the most of my family, but nothing related to "SCHOOL". He has excellent drawing skills(doing a particular university for architeture atm), incredible creativity and everything he has passion for, like cars and planes, he HAS passion, knowing EVERYTHING about these. When he was younger, my mother would help him study for straight 6 hours a day just so he wouldn't repeat the year - which failed by his 5th year of school(about 11 years). He would NOT understand what he was studying - maybe during the first five minutes, but a fly that pass by would completly erase everything he would learn at that moment. By his 11 years, he was diagnosed with it, something to do with his brain connections even, and had to take Ritalin - a "black-tie", or high danger, medicine - and suddenly he would be able to study. However, his base was already destroyed, so he wouldn't catchup for anything else. Had he been diagnosed earlier - although people didnt even knew about the existance of that at that time - he would be a "genius", since he puts so much effort into anything he does. ADD and ADHD are REAL and SERIOUS. I see that every single day by my side. I've seen that in many other friends of mine. Relating to SC2, no, there shouldn't be any problem at all. The poster you quoted may have been a bit too broad, but it is arguable that ADD and ADHD now is being over diagnosed to the point of simply being an excuse for children being children, and less intelligent children being not quite as smart as others.
Agreed, when i was a growing up there was no such thing as ADD or ADHD, the only medication we needed was a switch slap across the head from mom or dad while they said, pay attention you little fucker. Then they would tell us to go play outside for a few hours.
ADD cured.
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On February 13 2011 11:07 Dance. wrote:
I've been diagnosed with ADHD and it has no bearing on my skill at starcraft. I think ADD and ADHD is bullshit, its a technical term for lazy and very lazy.
no. it's actually a serious issue that can affect your life without treatment of some form.
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Supposedly I have ADHD. I was on the gamut of medications while I was young until I told my parents I was sick of taking them because of how I felt when I was on them.
I don't really put too much thought into the extreme amount of cases of ADD or ADHD. I think it's mostly bullshit to peddle medication and make money which causes the kids who really have problems more harm, but that's a different thread. Most of the time I just attribute my attention shifts to "do I give a shit about this?" and if the answer is no then I can't be bothered to show the slightest interest. Accordingly, when something I'm interested in is going on, it has 100% of my focus and usually to a fault so that nothing else can break that focus.
Given this very general description of how I feel about attention "disorders" and how I perceive mine, I don't really feel like it impedes my playing of SC or any other activity I consider worthwhile.
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ADD is serious, jesus christ. People gotta stop shrugging it off cause itll make people who have it not get treatment for this extremely disabling disorder.
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