I used to never using during my casts, however I try and use it exclusively now - as stated, it looks a lot smoother and makes the 'screen transition' easier on the eyes.

JWill

Canada52 Posts

January 23 2011 21:04 GMT

#43

I've been using nothing but middle mouse pan since SC2 came out. I disabled mouse zoom and edge pan immediately, and I've got to say nothing beats how easy it is to middle mouse pan anywhere on the map.

Middle mouse pan is to edge scrolling as dpad camera control is to mouse look. Movement speed and control is analog rather than digital (that is to say, if you move your mouse faster/slower, middle mouse pan moves your screen faster/slower, while edge panning always moves at a constant rate). Therefore middle mouse pan is inherently better once you get used to it.

I'd advise anyone wanting to try this out to set their middle mouse pan speed quite a lot higher than the default. I have mine at about 75%. You want to be able to move across the map in one motion, while still being accurate enough to focus on certain areas.

linduxed

Sweden111 Posts

January 23 2011 21:55 GMT

#44

It's not like M3-scrolling excludes edge-scrolling, but I have to say that ever since I tried CnC3's right-click scrolling (which I find inferior to SC2's M3-scrolling, but it's still nice), edge-scrolling has become a rare piece of my play.

I pull up the M3-scrolling to max speed so that quick motions over the map are easy to do, and it has practically replaced edge-scrolling completely for me.

EDIT: Also, I feel it's just a matter of preference. It's pretty obvious that a players with years upon years of BW experience won't let go of their edge-scrolling, and I haven't seen any compelling evidence against using M3-scrolling; since I haven't heard of any top level players that have given both methods time and then come out with a comparison, arguing against it is pure speculation in my opinion.

tuestresfat

2555 Posts

January 23 2011 22:28 GMT

#45

i'm really used to zooming in and out to look for cloaked units though (mostly observers)... regardless this would definitely change my gameplay dramatically.

CASLsoju

Canada253 Posts

January 23 2011 22:53 GMT

#46

Wait, people still move their mouse to the corners of their screen? Holy shit.

Mouse 3 move is 100000000000000000000x easier, I really do feel bad for anyone who didn't use it already.

Flavalanche

United States164 Posts

January 23 2011 22:55 GMT

#47

sadly, my razer lachesis' mouse 3 is broken T_T

emc

United States3088 Posts

January 23 2011 23:01 GMT

#48

On January 24 2011 01:21 Uncultured wrote:
Every time I use it i accidentally zoom in, and fuck myself up somehow. That said I'm slowly finding it useful... When I observe games.

you can remove that, it's in the options (not hotkeys). someone mentioned zooming in is easier to see cloaked units? Having your settings on medium or higher will allow you to see cloaked you units regardless of your distance, you just need to train your eye. Also, it's easier to track a cloaked target when your screen isn't completely zoomed in (also you can use the home and end key for quick zoom in/out).

I use this and set my mid mouse button sens to 100% and it's great! Really minimizes hand movement and it's extremely useful and accurate if you get used to it. I recommend this to many people, and I definitely recommend removing the zoom on mouse wheel if you plan on using this.

Xapti

Canada2473 Posts

January 23 2011 23:56 GMT

#49

The problem I have with this is that it's either too sensitive, or it can't go far enough
Edit: I don't know if that's actually how it is for me. Just seems really awkward and needs and extra click. Actually, I think the problem is that i use my index finger to hot the mousewheel, and that means I can't left click, which makes it difficult to issue some orders if it's not a right-click. Also it just needs a click, while edge scrolling doesn't, and is especially convenient when telling units to move to areas around the ends of the screen (especially like scouting at the start of the game).
It just doesn't seem viable as a 100% alternative to map scrolling.

I think the drag scroll is a major fail compared to what they could have done:
A system like in most major browsers where if you click (or even hold) the middle/scroll button on the mouse, a little icon will appear, and depending where you move your mouse with respect to the icon, the screen will move in that direction faster or slower. (is this called smart scrolling?)

Anyway in the rare occasion where I have used drag-scroll (I think I still need to train myself), I thought I'd like inverted mode because I like 'inverted' (really non-inverted) joystick control, and document drag panning, so I had it on that.
Turns out though, for some reason in SC2 I think I prefer a non-inverted control for it.

Eggcake

Switzerland722 Posts

January 24 2011 00:40 GMT

#50

I also switched to mouse3 a while ago. The edges were way too inaccurate for me and you actually have to move your mouse around the screen and move back to the middle. You can control your cursor movement way more accurate using m3 IMHO.

Special Endrey

Germany1929 Posts

January 24 2011 00:41 GMT

#51

ull get used to it , and then , yeah ull like it

iNbluE

Switzerland674 Posts

January 24 2011 00:53 GMT

#52

Yep I use it a lot too. Almost no screen edge. Feels juste comfortable. I just wish you could set it a bit more sensitive (100% is slighty unsufficient IMO).

TheDemigod

Australia79 Posts

January 24 2011 00:57 GMT

#53

Actually using arrow keys to move is the most advantageous, of course this only applies if your hands are fast enough to not waste time on normal hotkeys. Because when you move with arrow keys you can continue you use your mouse, I believe this was used by pros on BW to macro lots of buildings.

sikyon

Canada1045 Posts

January 24 2011 01:03 GMT

#54

Is it possible to bind mouse3 to my 4 or 5 buttons on the side of my deathader? I think giving my useless thumb something to do would be great and go around the problem of having to click with my left finger.

Pl4t0

United States103 Posts

January 24 2011 01:23 GMT

#55

The only issue I see with Mouse3 camera control is it's speed...but the settings let you increase that, don't they? So in any case, they probably come out about even, and it's just preference.

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

January 24 2011 02:51 GMT

#56

I use my mousewheel for important hotkeys. It's a habit I picked up back from AoE. I don't really see scrolling itself being very good in general (I use F keys) but the times when I do need to scroll, I doubt that the middle mouse button would make any difference whatsoever.

Xapti

Canada2473 Posts

January 24 2011 04:27 GMT

#57

On January 24 2011 09:57 TheDemigod wrote:
Actually using arrow keys to move is the most advantageous, of course this only applies if your hands are fast enough to not waste time on normal hotkeys. Because when you move with arrow keys you can continue you use your mouse, I believe this was used by pros on BW to macro lots of buildings.

I used to use keyboard for a long time in BW, but in hindsight (even while i was still playing BW) I had no idea how I could have done well with it. I assume it means using hotkeys less, and hand movement from one end to another. There's like no use of the keyboard for hotkey use.

Actually.... for the longest time now I've had a mouse that has little DIGITAL (sucks) control sticks on them
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(a stick on each side of the mouse, and center)
I use actually use it for scrolling like keyboard keys... thing is I can't get use to the position of the control sticks. I don't know maybe I'll give it a shot (probably won't work out well, tried it before for other things)

Sickafant

Canada19 Posts

January 24 2011 05:20 GMT

#58

Mouse 3 scroll is great. I personally set the mouse 3 scroll sensitivity up to 80 and invert it, making it feel much more natural. The idea is that it doesn't replace edge scroll, it's just another tool in certain situations for better control.

Stiluz

Norway688 Posts

January 24 2011 05:25 GMT

#59

I assigned the screen move button to the thumb button on my Logitech G500, which I can reach quite comfortably. Works well instead of moving the mouse to the screen after some adjustment. But in the end either way is fine I think.

Euronyme

Sweden3804 Posts

January 24 2011 05:36 GMT

#60

Are there any pro gamers doing this?