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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
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aike
United States1629 Posts
On January 20 2011 06:48 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:  that came out stupid because I didn't finish the thought and had to edit it afterwards.Still though, I'm not sure what your counterpoint is because progamers usually work for someone who pays them, too. Yes progamers get paid by their sponsor but what I mean is that Casters work for a company (Either themselves or some other organization) so John Madden's employer (Fox) pays the NFL for the right to broadcast the games. | ||
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Erandorr
2283 Posts
On January 20 2011 06:43 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: The problem with this topic is that none of you can decide whether the exposure is worth not getting paid. It's between casters and players and nobody else. Well actually what i was getting at is that this is a great community and it might be fair for the players to get some money for the content they create. I was not talking at all about the legal aspect , more the moral. If husky is not in it for the money alone and lives comfortable of his casts, why not share some of it with those pros that are not as fortunate as he is? Lets be honest if i played one awesome game and thats casted by husky , i might get 5 minutes of fame . but players get invited to events by getting results in the online tournaments, and then they will get picked up by a team. Would you consider signing me by some random games that have been casted? Sure it helps but it doesnt change that much or am I mistaken? | ||
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clik
United States319 Posts
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On January 20 2011 06:53 Kipsate wrote: Seriously, why is there hate all over the interwebs for the casters. These people bring the game to the mainstream, I know people who don't even have SC2 installed yet watch the youtube channels. It is both great marketing for Blizzard and for E-sports. Because they're fucking jealous. Let's just put it right out there in the open, that ugly truth. They are jealous because they don't get to do what they love for a job. I feel for em, really, life sucks, but good luck changing an unfair world. "It's much easier to hate, than to create" | ||
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Celestial_
13 Posts
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checo
Mexico1364 Posts
On January 20 2011 06:50 iNcontroL wrote: Yeah the programs associated with casting alone cost nearly dozens of dollars. Have you guys factored that in at all? This is why we love you incontrol XD | ||
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aike
United States1629 Posts
On January 20 2011 06:52 Donttazemebro wrote: By OP's logic the casters should also pay blizzard, the guy who invented the internet, the progamer's mothers and so on. Nobody is stopping the players (or anyone for that matter) to also cast their or other's replays and generate their own money through this. I think most people are jealous because they think they could do it themselves, but it's tough to get such a following and so many hits on youtube (unless you are a super hot chick doing a dumb vlog of course). lol but this already does happen. Did the casters not buy SC2? Do the casters not pay their ISPs? Did the casters not buy their PCs and software? They are already paying for the right to cast games, they just are paying the person who actually played the game. Big tournies pay for players to have their games casted, most of the time it just happens to be payment in the form of offering the chance to win big. It would not be legal of me to go film somebody doing something without their consent and then sell it online and not give them any of the profit. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
Take a long hard look at yourselves and think, just how much do you really care about helping eSports succeed? Enough of this thread, it's depressing as hell. | ||
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TheAngelofDeath
United States2033 Posts
On January 20 2011 06:50 iNcontroL wrote: Yeah the programs associated with casting alone cost nearly dozens of dollars. Have you guys factored that in at all? LOL! Can't stop laughing! Fantastic post that wins this thread. | ||
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tbrown47
United States1235 Posts
On January 20 2011 06:55 TotalBiscuit wrote: Because they're fucking jealous. Let's just put it right out there in the open, that ugly truth. They are jealous because they don't get to do what they love for a job. I feel for em, really, life sucks, but good luck changing an unfair world. "It's much easier to hate, than to create" well, i came into this thread with a pretty neutral mindset and based on all of your posts i know think you are a TotalDick lolololololl but i didnt watch your videos anyway so i guess you didnt lose anything cheerz User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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resilve
United Kingdom678 Posts
This is basically a perfect example of what I was thinking. Consider the effort that went into that video cast, or a day[9] daily - there is planning and a clear narrative to convey a message or thought process. There is production quality and skilled production values. Now compare it to a HD 20 minute cast of a replay he downloaded off the internet 5 minutes beforehand (assuming he doesnt pre-watch it to look smart). Who deserves the richer financial reward? That is the basis of many people's arguments I feel. I understand that the society we live in is not fair, but in terms of who 'deserves' more out of exploiting this computer game - I would say the players and casters who provide great content over those who dont. | ||
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aike
United States1629 Posts
On January 20 2011 06:55 TotalBiscuit wrote: Because they're fucking jealous. Let's just put it right out there in the open, that ugly truth. They are jealous because they don't get to do what they love for a job. I feel for em, really, life sucks, but good luck changing an unfair world. "It's much easier to hate, than to create" haha so so wrong. I love what I do for a living, and I love that I know I'll be able to do it for the rest of my life, which is more than you can say. Don't talk about what you don't know. You don't know our lives therefore, you aren't allowed to talk about them.  | ||
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
On January 20 2011 06:55 TotalBiscuit wrote: Because they're fucking jealous. Let's just put it right out there in the open, that ugly truth. They are jealous because they don't get to do what they love for a job. I feel for em, really, life sucks, but good luck changing an unfair world. "It's much easier to hate, than to create" TotalBiscuit, I respect you as a caster, but please, everytime you post here you always sound cocky, full of yourself and ultra-defensive, could you stop doing that? Honnestly, I don't understand why casters are getting paid for something no-one has been paid before. But well, if they can make money out of this, good for them. | ||
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CrazyCow
United States308 Posts
On January 20 2011 06:48 TotalBiscuit wrote: No really, you definitely have no idea how this works. You absolutely should stop talking now since you are spreading misinformation. As much as I would love to share with you all the gory details, we are NDAed on various aspects of our jobs and don't particularly like to risk it because some random guy on the internet thinks they know more than they actually do. No really, I am an Internet marketer who knows exactly how YouTube marketing works. I don't do the creating, I do the business behind it, which I am now sure you're unfamiliar with. I'm done arguing for now, but going back to the topic, my opinion is that casters are not at all overpaid and are paid less than the progamers. Take it or leave it. | ||
NonY
8748 Posts
On January 20 2011 06:53 Kipsate wrote: Seriously, why is there hate all over the interwebs for the casters. These people bring the game to the mainstream, I know people who don't even have SC2 installed yet watch the youtube channels. It is both great marketing for Blizzard and for E-sports. While they do work hard, becoming a top caster has been more on a "first come first served" basis than becoming a top player. Once "good enough" casters got exposure, they became the top casters, and that's that. If they keep working to produce content, they keep their spots. If there are better casters out there that'd do better shows and/or work for less money, it's much less likely for us to ever discover them at this point. It's hard to break into the scene. Players, on the other hand, deserve all the respect in the world! | ||
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bmml
United Kingdom962 Posts
On January 20 2011 06:55 TotalBiscuit wrote: Because they're fucking jealous. Let's just put it right out there in the open, that ugly truth. They are jealous because they don't get to do what they love for a job. I feel for em, really, life sucks, but good luck changing an unfair world. "It's much easier to hate, than to create" I think thats fair enough, but its kind of disgusting to me that the actual players recieve only a tuppence of what the video content creators do. Plus everything Tyler said above me basically breeds hate. Curse you youtube partners! | ||
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Alizee-
United States845 Posts
If players don't end up being compensated well enough you get people who eventually say well that was fun, but I need to move on with "real life" now and grow up because making even $10,000 a year is not enough. Casters can come and go and things will largely remain the same because as much as one would argue they give exposure to the "sport" the players provide the true appeal. Think of it like this: would you watch a tournament knowing the players were no better than yourself? Watch sports on tv or the radio and the announcers are very pleasant yet at the same time go to a live game, guess what, people enjoy it for what they see, not about what they're told by some babbling guy behind a mic. While people may disagree with my use of the analogous use of sports in reference to e-sports, it boils down to people wanna see the games ultimately. The commentary is a plus, but not the main draw. Frankly, things are in a weird situation. Days of the past you'd have some players making a lot, most making very little. Casters nowadays can make a buck no matter what direction this game goes which is concerning. When it comes to money in sc2, this isn't broodwar where even the pro teams can dish out a relatively small chunk of money to pay for kids, not adults, to play all day and get good. People that have been with gaming or even the bw community for a long while are getting older, they either have to make enough or they'll move on to devote their time to other sources of income. If this became as big as say NFL proportions, if you have an announcer getting paid as much as top players, people would say WTF. Lot lot easier to find someone who can talk about what they can see compared to what the players can do. That's reality and compensation needs to be more appropriately considered going forward even right now its not completely in control due to things like youtube and the sort. There's a reason why in every sport players make the most, because without them you don't have the great games they produce. | ||
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TheSilverfox
Sweden1928 Posts
The simple thing is that people like Husky, HD, Day9, Artosis, TotalBiscuit make money - money that were not invested in eSport before. This will spill over to other parts of eSports as well so the gamers etc. I love it when more people can make money out of eSports - and we should all should be happy for this. It is not a fixed size cake of money that has to be divided - the cake is constantly growing - a growing cake that will bring in more money for everybody. | ||
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CrazyCow
United States308 Posts
On January 20 2011 06:59 aike wrote: haha so so wrong. I love what I do for a living, and I love that I know I'll be able to do it for the rest of my life, which is more than you can say. Don't talk about what you don't know. You don't know our lives therefore, you aren't allowed to talk about them. I think I like this guy. | ||
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