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And to TB, if you don't make much it's not like we're saying you should pay Idra $20,000 per game of his you cast, but what if it was 5%?? If you are only making $10 a video, then he'd only get 5% of that........... you can't afford paying him 5% of $10?!?!
He may not pay the individual players, but he does give back to the scene.
This is from the SCReddit tourney:
TotalBiscuit has generously donated an extra $200 to the winner and $100 to second place! Brings first place to $1,200 + $600 to charity and second place to $600!
Link is here
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question for me is, how much DOES HD and husky make?
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The problem with this topic is that none of you can decide whether the exposure is worth not getting paid. It's between casters and players and nobody else.
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Madden shouldn't have to pay Brett Favre, it's Fox that pays the NFL. So if players want compensation they have to demand payment for their replays. If the casters just go to other players then some players could band together in a union (a.k.a. league) or just the established teams could make policies regarding their players' replays (and probably start taking cuts out of whatever money supposedly exists).
Good luck selling replays though; I'm sure Kotick will find a way to demand so much money it couldn't possibly be profitable or else just grind you into dust.
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On January 20 2011 06:14 CrazyCow wrote:
YouTube partnership doesn't really give that much money, contrary to popular belief. I'd be surprised if HD and Husky were breaking $20k/year. Compare that with IdrA's salary.
IdrA's 'salary' (that is money that goes directly to his bank account) from EG is probably smaller than you think. Being on the team has a lot of other fantastic benefits, like travel expenses being covered and his apartment in Korea, but I don't think he's probably pocketing any more than $1,000 a month (I heard some of the offers that Complexity offered players/teams when they were shopping around and I tried to guestimate what EG might have been able to offer IdrA, a toptoptoptop end player).
I believe in another thread it was mentioned that you get 1/3rd of a cent per ad view with a youtube partnership.
I pulled up a random video of Husky'sthat was posted a week ago. It had 335,702 views.
Let's round that down to 300,000 just to make it easier. If they show an ad. every time someone loads up that video, Husky should have made 100,000 cents off that. That's $1,000.
That still feels a little high to me; let's say they (youtube) only show an advertisement half the time a video loads (I have no idea the frequency they show ads). That's still $500 a video. He wants to make 5 or 6 a week, if I remember correctly. That's $2,500 - $3,000 weekly. That's $10,000 - $12,000 a month. That's $120,000 - $144,00 a year.
That's pretty close to what I've heard Husky makes, so let's go with that. Even if you took out "living and travel" expenses from his salary to try and compare the money he makes compared to a professional player (for those not following, you'd remove these because in SOME cases teams will pay travel and living expenses) Husky is still pocketing significantly more loot than your favorite pros. Even SirScoots remarked on yesterdays LO3 that these guys were making more than people like IdrA, and he's IdrA's manager so I figure he'd know how he's compensated.
I'm not trying to remark either way whether I think the system is right or wrong, I just wanted to point out to you that if I've been looking at the math right/taking it account everything I should be, some of the more popular youtube casters should be making significantly more than most pros (all pros?)
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On January 20 2011 06:44 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Madden shouldn't have to pay Brett Favre, it's Fox that pays the NFL. So if players want compensation they have to demand payment for their replays.
Of course Madden doesn't pay Brett Favre, he works for a company that pays Brett Favre.
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On January 20 2011 06:33 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 06:31 aike wrote:On January 20 2011 06:30 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Incidently, as has been mentioned in previous threads, you don't actually have any idea how much partners make so stop guessing, I can assure you you're all wrong. And no, we're not allowed to reveal the exact amount. You're no HD or Husky, so you wouldn't know how much somebody who generates as many views as they do makes. No you're right. I only have 216,000 subscribers and produce the most viewed World of Warcraft videos on the entirity of Youtube on a daily basis. Since WoW is such a tiny, unpopular game, I'm clearly living on 2 dollars a week and should be out picking rice. More to the point, they work for the same company as I do, so of course I know how much they earn. It is unwise to try and discuss things you know nothing about.
haha tb youre great. seriously
there really shouldnt be so much freakin hate on the youtube casters. they have brought loads of people to the game, they deserve thanks. i wouldnt have even found team liquid or been as into the game as i am without husky or hd, so yes i am very thankful. i dont really watch either of them anymore, but thats not because i think they are terrible people for taking the free content on the internet and making it more entertaining by casting it, and then providing it to us again for free. no they should not have to pay people to cast their replays. that would be ridiculous
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On January 20 2011 06:39 CrazyCow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 06:33 TotalBiscuit wrote:
More to the point, they work for the same company as I do, so of course I know how much they earn.
You consider yourself an employee of Google Adsense? User was warned for this post
I consider myself an employee of The Gamestation, just as HD, Husky and many others are.
Once again, you should not discuss things you don't have the necessary knowledge to. It is not helpful to the discuss, quite the opposite in fact. You do not know how it operates at all, so stick to what you do know please.
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On January 20 2011 06:11 Jacuzzi wrote:
Casters make the game entertaining and not everybody can do that. You don't have to look far on youtube to find shitty casters that have no business trying to cast games. People like Day9, Tasteless, and Husky deserve their salaries.
Where is TB?!?!?
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On January 20 2011 06:39 CrazyCow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 06:33 TotalBiscuit wrote:
More to the point, they work for the same company as I do, so of course I know how much they earn.
You consider yourself an employee of Google Adsense? User was warned for this post
What I mean by this is HD, Husky, and TotalBiscuit all make their money from the ads on their videos, which are from Google Adsense. To say that he knows how much they make is just silly; it's not like they're employees. Each partner's income per view will be different (and fairly low, Adsense isn't the best at monetization.)
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i think for now with it being so early its perfectly fine for casters to use stuff without paying.
However, in order for starcraft to grow, money needs to be going into the organization running it. If in the near future, gom or whatever organization is running starcraft is in need of money, it would be totally understandable for them to ask commentators to pay them for permission to use their VoDS.
This is probably what happened with NBA, NFL, MLB, when they were first started to get televised.
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On January 20 2011 06:45 aike wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 06:44 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Madden shouldn't have to pay Brett Favre, it's Fox that pays the NFL. So if players want compensation they have to demand payment for their replays. Of course Madden doesn't pay Brett Favre, he works for a company that pays Brett Favre.
 that came out stupid because I didn't finish the thought and had to edit it afterwards.
Still though, I'm not sure what your counterpoint is because progamers usually work for someone who pays them, too.
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On January 20 2011 06:29 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 06:26 jamesmax wrote:
I never watch HD or Huskys stuff simply because I don't like the way they operate, I know partners can put up any length videos they want but they still part some in like 8-9 minute sections just so i have to click more links and make them more money. It's not hard to cast a replay and offer sub par analysis of a game it's not like they are offering any valuable information to the play or anything they just got in at the right time. Husky doesn't do this anymore and when he did it had technical reasons and not financial.
Thank you for defending husky in this, however I actually have a bone ot pick with people who complain about it in the first place.
So what if he was spliting the vids for money? You act like he's taking the money from you. Yes a split video can lower the overall experiance of viewing (slightly) but if he can make 2x the income doing so why would you blame him? In fact aa fan a fan of his work, I ecourage him to do so... the more he can make at this maybe the more effort hell put in, and the more he can add to the sc2 community. It's mind blowing the hate tossed around because someone might dare to want to make money, even when that's simply not their goal.
Back to the op, I have to admit that I agree that I feel players desirve a cut, but there isn't the infastructure for it. And really there is a glut of intereting replays, supply demand isn't in the players favor. However it seems that blizzard is working on a replay store of somekind, wonder what is going to happen with that?
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On January 20 2011 06:47 CrazyCow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 06:39 CrazyCow wrote:On January 20 2011 06:33 TotalBiscuit wrote:
More to the point, they work for the same company as I do, so of course I know how much they earn.
You consider yourself an employee of Google Adsense? User was warned for this post What I mean by this is HD, Husky, and TotalBiscuit all make their money from the ads on their videos, which are from Google Adsense. To say that he knows how much they make is just silly; it's not like they're employees. Each partner's income per view will be different (and fairly low, Adsense isn't the best at monetization.)
No really, you definitely have no idea how this works. You absolutely should stop talking now since you are spreading misinformation. As much as I would love to share with you all the gory details, we are NDAed on various aspects of our jobs and don't particularly like to risk it because some random guy on the internet thinks they know more than they actually do.
And to TB, if you don't make much it's not like we're saying you should pay Idra $20,000 per game of his you cast, but what if it was 5%?? If you are only making $10 a video, then he'd only get 5% of that........... you can't afford paying him 5% of $10?!?! Also you've had 69,254,320 total views since 2006, HD has had over 100,000,000 since 2009...
And about 68 million of those were in the last 6 months, what's your point? 'Oh sorry, you're only this massive on Youtube, not as massive as that other even more massive thing, so you don't know anything at all about it'.
Nevermind that I know for a fact how much they make.
Jesus christ, since when did it become ok to just completely ignore what someone with absolute knowledge and authority on the subject says just because they can't reveal all the gory details. Would you ignore what a pro-gamer said about game balance? Then why would you ignore what a professional (it's my job, so by definition, professional) Youtube caster says about how Youtube actually works?
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To be honest, I want to know what is the best way to help support the scene ala what are the best places to watch esports. A caster who is able to "make" a living being a caster is able to do more things for the scene than someone burning themselves out trying to keep a full-time job and promoting esports.
Look at the juggling most casters have to do to get by, I love their dedication to making something they love get the attention it deserves.
Cheers!
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On January 20 2011 06:33 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say they don't earn nearly as much as you may think they do. Ad revenue is minimal especially when you consider the cost and time put into the cast itself and all the associated equipment.
Yeah the programs associated with casting alone cost nearly dozens of dollars. Have you guys factored that in at all?
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On January 20 2011 06:46 TotalBiscuit wrote:
so stick to what you do know please.
If this is the case why don't you 'Stick to what you know' and go back to WoW and stay out of the Starcraft area of things. No? Then don't tell people what they should and shouldn't do.
User was temp banned for this post.
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By OP's logic the casters should also pay blizzard, the guy who invented the internet, the progamer's mothers and so on.
Nobody is stopping the players (or anyone for that matter) to also cast their or other's replays and generate their own money through this.
I think most people are jealous because they think they could do it themselves, but it's tough to get such a following and so many hits on youtube (unless you are a super hot chick doing a dumb vlog of course).
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On January 20 2011 06:50 aike wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 06:46 TotalBiscuit wrote:
so stick to what you do know please. If this is the case why don't you 'Stick to what you know' and go back to WoW and stay out of the Starcraft area of things. No? Then don't tell people what they should and shouldn't do.
That's very classy of you.
When you contribute to the community in any significant fashion beyond slagging people off over the internet, someone might care about what you have to say on the matter.
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On January 20 2011 06:50 aike wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 06:46 TotalBiscuit wrote:
so stick to what you do know please. If this is the case why don't you 'Stick to what you know' and go back to WoW and stay out of the Starcraft area of things. No? Then don't tell people what they should and shouldn't do.
he knows how to entertain, and he entertains. theres a difference between someone doing something for good entertainment and someone completely lying about stuff because they think that they know how it works
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