EPTAlso there is free reign on casting right now as far as making your own content right now. Which is why HD and husky was so smart in putting out as much content as they could during beta when no one else was.
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theBullFrog
United States515 Posts
Also there is free reign on casting right now as far as making your own content right now. Which is why HD and husky was so smart in putting out as much content as they could during beta when no one else was. | ||
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ECA.BruTATroN
United States282 Posts
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darmousseh
United States3437 Posts
On January 20 2011 06:07 Erandorr wrote: Hey , recently there has been a lot of talk about vasters who make so much more money than the progamers who create the content( Husky, HD etc) So that got me wondering whether or not the casters should be charged for what they get for free. Think about it : in any other sport, professional teams get a big percentage of the income created by the content they create. So why should this not be the case in SC2 as well? Idra, for example doesnt like Husky very mutch and yet the caster got over 200k views recently for content Idra created. Now an other aspect is , of course , that a lot of people watch games because a certain caster commentates them , so you might argue that the casters become more important than the players, but I at least think that they could not exist without each other. Games without casters are boring and casters without games .. well that wouldnt really work would it? Those are just a few points that i thought of the top of my head and i would be interested what all of you think about this subject. The NFL and other said organizations also own all creative derivatives of their property. As far as I'm aware, pro gamers don't own their replays. If anything, blizzard can charge if they want to and use those funds to give money to the growth of sc2, but they don't because they want the community to grow. In the NFL, the players union makes deals with the league for certain broadcasting profits and etc, so it ends up in their salary. This doesn't exist in esports and never will. | ||
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arthur
United Kingdom488 Posts
Having said that, I think this community needs to grow and grow and money greedy Husky is not going to shell out money for a pro replay when he will always be able to find some masters league one to cast, and having no more pro replays is just going to kill the growth of casting... | ||
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resilve
United Kingdom678 Posts
On January 20 2011 06:14 CrazyCow wrote: YouTube partnership doesn't really give that much money, contrary to popular belief. I'd be surprised if HD and Husky were breaking $20k/year. Compare that with IdrA's salary. Out of interest, what kind of finances are pro-gamers on? I mean - a regular wage? Or just free flights/board at tournaments and they get to keep the winnings? I realise it is rather gauche, but I would love to know what kind of money a standard 'EG/Liquid/Mouz' member was getting from the team. | ||
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GhostFall
United States830 Posts
husky and hd bring in a million views every few days. They do this consistently. If they keep this up for a whole year, that'll be like 100,000 in their pocket. you're making 20,000 a year if you're one of those lower ranked partners, but husky is now like #13. or something ridiculous. Actually that doesn't translates to 6 figures. That's closer to the 80,000 range. still a decent amount. | ||
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jamesmax
Canada72 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On January 20 2011 06:26 jamesmax wrote: I never watch HD or Huskys stuff simply because I don't like the way they operate, I know partners can put up any length videos they want but they still part some in like 8-9 minute sections just so i have to click more links and make them more money. It's not hard to cast a replay and offer sub par analysis of a game it's not like they are offering any valuable information to the play or anything they just got in at the right time. Husky doesn't do this anymore and when he did it had technical reasons and not financial. | ||
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aike
United States1629 Posts
On January 20 2011 06:10 TotalBiscuit wrote: Players <> Casters <> Viewers <> Sponsors Your 4 vital things are definitely vital... BUT the point the OP is brining up is that when you think about the amount of money a player makes per casted game compared to the amount a caster gets paid for that same casted game is not very fair. Husky making $20,000 for casting a random ladder game of Idra's, idra makes $0 for that same game. Fair? No. Like you say casters can't exist without players, but casters thrive while players struggle to survive. If I want to make a TV show about how awesome Team X is against Team Y at football, I'd have to pay both of those teams to get them to play on my show. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
Your 4 vital things are definitely vital... BUT the point the OP is brining up is that when you think about the amount of money a player makes per casted game compared to the amount a caster gets paid for that same casted game is not very fair. Husky making $20,000 for casting a random ladder game of Idra's, idra makes $0 for that same game. Fair? No. Like you say casters can't exist without players, but casters thrive while players struggle to survive. If I want to make a TV show about how awesome Team X is against Team Y at football, I'd have to pay both of those teams to get them to play on my show. And a professional footballer makes X times that of a nurse. The world isn't fair, money is not rewarded based on how hard you work, but on how much money you're able to bring in for the person paying you. That's capitalism and it isn't going to change. | ||
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aike
United States1629 Posts
On January 20 2011 06:30 TotalBiscuit wrote: Incidently, as has been mentioned in previous threads, you don't actually have any idea how much partners make so stop guessing, I can assure you you're all wrong. And no, we're not allowed to reveal the exact amount. You're no HD or Husky, so you wouldn't know how much somebody who generates as many views as they do makes. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On January 20 2011 06:31 aike wrote: You're no HD or Husky, so you wouldn't know how much somebody who generates as many views as they do makes. No you're right. I only have 216,000 subscribers and produce the most viewed World of Warcraft videos on the entirity of Youtube on a daily basis. Since WoW is such a tiny, unpopular game, I'm clearly living on 2 dollars a week and should be out picking rice. More to the point, they work for the same company as I do, so of course I know how much they earn. It is unwise to try and discuss things you know nothing about. | ||
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AJ-
United States316 Posts
also blizzard would probably sue for believing that those replays are your property | ||
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Torpedo.Vegas
United States1890 Posts
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nkr
Sweden5451 Posts
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Sapphire.lux
Romania2620 Posts
On January 20 2011 06:22 asianinvasian wrote: I don't think this will become an issue. Incontrol said it best "why are you comparing eSports to other sports". Well not in those words exactly, but the premise is that eSports is different. A general eSports infastracture doesn't really exist yet, well maybe not in the west, at least not at the level of regular sports. Unless blizzard steps in, theres nothing players can do about this issue legally i think. If a football game between Man Utd and Real Madrid is being "casted" and recorded by X tv station, that video recording is the property of said TV station. Has nothing to do with the teams/players in question. All replays,custom maps, etc are Blizzards. They are the only ones that can sell them. If they want to give the "creators" a piece of the cake, that is a different thing, ala the announced market place. | ||
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GhostFall
United States830 Posts
On January 20 2011 06:34 nkr wrote: Just out of curiosity, how do you know how much the casters make? I've never seen any official figures. If the best casters, such as Day9(who also delivers a lot of other content), make more than some players; well then I'm totally fine with that. These people do a lot more for the community, while a player plays for himself. http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/meet-the-youtube-stars-making-100000-plus-per-year-535349.html?tickers=goog,^ixic,qqqq I dont know how much exactly casters make, but I do know top partners make a lot. Using this list, and the fact husky is #13 this month, you can ball park it. day9's dailies would make serious bank if it was on youtube and updated regularly I believe. | ||
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aike
United States1629 Posts
On January 20 2011 06:33 AJ- wrote: no this makes very little sense, do news reporters have to pay for the stories they run? it's a media forum also blizzard would probably sue for believing that those replays are your property News Reporters are reporting things that are public knowledge, sports casters cast the entirety of a game and get paid by the company hosting the event (Who is also the same people paying the players). Sports casters don't get paid by some 3rd party to go to a game and cast it, as that would not be allowed by the people running the event. The only sporting events that allow 3rd party casters are things like the World Cup, and I'm sure that media outlets have to pay for the right to cast those games, because they know that they will make a return on ads displayed during the game. And to TB, if you don't make much it's not like we're saying you should pay Idra $20,000 per game of his you cast, but what if it was 5%?? If you are only making $10 a video, then he'd only get 5% of that........... you can't afford paying him 5% of $10?!?! Also you've had 69,254,320 total views since 2006, HD has had over 100,000,000 since 2009... | ||
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CrazyCow
United States308 Posts
On January 20 2011 06:33 TotalBiscuit wrote: More to the point, they work for the same company as I do, so of course I know how much they earn. You consider yourself an employee of Google Adsense? User was warned for this post | ||
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leakingpear
United Kingdom302 Posts
Also unless anyone has any actual numbers with regards to youtube partnership it's only going to end in tears if people try to guess. Even if Husky can live off it, he's not got a lot of expenses so it doesn't really prove a whole lot. | ||
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