like chat channels and 35 second phoenix.
leave the balance for the progamers.
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s.a.y
Croatia3840 Posts
like chat channels and 35 second phoenix. leave the balance for the progamers. | ||
TeWy
France714 Posts
On January 11 2011 09:14 ovion wrote: Show nested quote + On January 11 2011 09:10 TeWy wrote: On January 11 2011 09:07 TheCabDriver wrote: On January 11 2011 09:07 TeWy wrote: One more absolutely useless patch totally ignoring the real issues of the game. Please enlighten us. There's actually a whole Blizzard team supposedly working on balance, and all they're capable of is delivering a few crappy changes each 1-2 month ? Do I really need to be more explicit ? This is a joke to me, hope the Blizzard balance team is not fully renumerated or that the've other stuff to do than proposing balance changes. If you can tell me what all the implications are for the reduced pheonix cost and then name 5 other non-'crappy' changes while listing all their ramfications and how it would improve balance then be my guest. Blizzard doesn't have the luxury of quickly changing a lot as just a few badly thought through changes could severely imbalance the game. Yes I can tell you, only thing this will change is that people will stop going 2 stargates phoenix against Zerg and will now only build 1, that's it. On another note, not so good players will be able to defeat 1 thor push more easily. And people will stop abusing that stupid canon rush against Zerg.. 3/4 of the high level games will keep being either cheese or camping fest into A+move. | ||
eos
New Zealand39 Posts
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FrostedMiniWeet
United States636 Posts
On January 11 2011 09:31 TeWy wrote: Show nested quote + On January 11 2011 09:14 ovion wrote: On January 11 2011 09:10 TeWy wrote: On January 11 2011 09:07 TheCabDriver wrote: On January 11 2011 09:07 TeWy wrote: One more absolutely useless patch totally ignoring the real issues of the game. Please enlighten us. There's actually a whole Blizzard team supposedly working on balance, and all they're capable of is delivering a few crappy changes each 1-2 month ? Do I really need to be more explicit ? This is a joke to me, hope the Blizzard balance team is not fully renumerated or that the've other stuff to do than proposing balance changes. If you can tell me what all the implications are for the reduced pheonix cost and then name 5 other non-'crappy' changes while listing all their ramfications and how it would improve balance then be my guest. Blizzard doesn't have the luxury of quickly changing a lot as just a few badly thought through changes could severely imbalance the game. Yes I can tell you, only thing this will change is that people will stop going 2 stargates phoenix against Zerg and will now only build 1, that's it. On another note, not so good players will be able to defeat 1 thor push more easily. And people will stop abusing that stupid canon rush against Zerg.. 3/4 of the high level games will keep being either cheese or camping fest into A+move. People will still abuse cannon rush against Zerg. You can still do pylon block, and its not that much harder. I lost to it on the PTR first time it was tried against me, even pooling first. | ||
Sein
United States1811 Posts
On January 11 2011 09:25 FrostedMiniWeet wrote: Show nested quote + On January 11 2011 09:23 Jayzo wrote: On January 11 2011 09:17 Tray wrote: Phoenixes still are only A to A. Might be a little more powerful because you can get the required mass sooner, but as I said, they still are light dmg air to air. Stim still hasn't been nerfed. Zerg can still 6 pool, while BOTH of the other races require a food building first. These are the biggest, most needed changes right now to balance the game not only for 1v1, but for team games as well. They might require some additional balance changes to be implemented effectively, but when those changes finally go through the game will be significantly more balanced. i dont want to degrade this into balance stupidity but, stim is getting nerfed? if so how? (reserving my own judgment on the issue) is this an opinion or something you know for sure? just to clarify, zergs now have to go like 6 ovie, 6 pool? You misread his comment. Read it again. Neither stim or 6 pool are getting nerfed. Blizz did say that they were looking at stimmed marines from what I remember, so it may happen sometime in near future. | ||
ZeNd0kUn
United States331 Posts
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synapse
China13814 Posts
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Cofo
United States1388 Posts
vvv On January 11 2011 09:06 nkr wrote: I'm so hot and bothered right now. | ||
Hammertime
Australia77 Posts
So do we have any patch notes yet? o_o; Patch notes weren't updated at the time I patched my client. Probably won't be for a while, knowing Blizzard's record with these things. ![]() | ||
Silmakuoppaanikinko
799 Posts
On January 11 2011 09:30 s.a.y wrote: Oh please, progamers know as little about balance as the next guy. Having sick mechanics and awareness hardly exempts you from the basic omniprevelent human flaw of subconsciously desperately trying to find a different reason than your own failure for a loss. Pro zerg players say zerg is up, pro terrans say the same of terran, pro protoss players the same of protoss.please refrain from balance talk and write only the stuff you managed to pull out of the patch. like chat channels and 35 second phoenix. leave the balance for the progamers. Leave balance debate to random players I'd say. | ||
DarKcS
Australia1237 Posts
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toadstool
Australia421 Posts
On January 11 2011 09:31 TeWy wrote: Show nested quote + On January 11 2011 09:14 ovion wrote: On January 11 2011 09:10 TeWy wrote: On January 11 2011 09:07 TheCabDriver wrote: On January 11 2011 09:07 TeWy wrote: One more absolutely useless patch totally ignoring the real issues of the game. Please enlighten us. There's actually a whole Blizzard team supposedly working on balance, and all they're capable of is delivering a few crappy changes each 1-2 month ? Do I really need to be more explicit ? This is a joke to me, hope the Blizzard balance team is not fully renumerated or that the've other stuff to do than proposing balance changes. If you can tell me what all the implications are for the reduced pheonix cost and then name 5 other non-'crappy' changes while listing all their ramfications and how it would improve balance then be my guest. Blizzard doesn't have the luxury of quickly changing a lot as just a few badly thought through changes could severely imbalance the game. Yes I can tell you, only thing this will change is that people will stop going 2 stargates phoenix against Zerg and will now only build 1, that's it. On another note, not so good players will be able to defeat 1 thor push more easily. And people will stop abusing that stupid canon rush against Zerg.. 3/4 of the high level games will keep being either cheese or camping fest into A+move. You're an idiot if you expect mega changes every month that will change how the game is played. The game is fine as it is now, and 3/4 of the game is not cheese or camping fest, where they hell did you get that from. Brood War was fine tuned the same way. I mean, look at how imba people were saying PvT were, there were no changes and now Protoss has a higher winning % against T in GSL3. These small changes are absolutely better than huge changes that MAY or MAY NOT work. | ||
Sein
United States1811 Posts
On January 11 2011 09:35 synapse wrote: So do we have any patch notes yet? o_o; Most likely going to be the same as the latest PTR patch notes, other than a few changes that they will probably make without announcing as usual. | ||
Tray
United States122 Posts
On January 11 2011 09:20 Alou wrote: Show nested quote + On January 11 2011 09:17 Tray wrote: Phoenixes still are only A to A. Might be a little more powerful because you can get the required mass sooner, but as I said, they still are light dmg air to air. Stim still hasn't been nerfed. Zerg can still 6 pool, while BOTH of the other races require a food building first. These are the biggest, most needed changes right now to balance the game not only for 1v1, but for team games as well. They might require some additional balance changes to be implemented effectively, but when those changes finally go through the game will be significantly more balanced. If you can't defend a 6 pool, it's your fault. Not the games fault. Funny this is the same argument made against reapers. Yet, they got nerfed. 6 pool is broken in team games, not in solo. Yes Blizzard officially said, and have made changes to balance team games. Stim is for all levels. I didn't see anyone disagree with that. Edit - by 6 pool i mean pooling before first OL. Doesn't have to be 6. 8-9 pools are far more effective but bring up the same problem. | ||
lgn!
Italy224 Posts
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razboi
United States67 Posts
On January 11 2011 09:34 Sein wrote: Show nested quote + On January 11 2011 09:25 FrostedMiniWeet wrote: On January 11 2011 09:23 Jayzo wrote: On January 11 2011 09:17 Tray wrote: Phoenixes still are only A to A. Might be a little more powerful because you can get the required mass sooner, but as I said, they still are light dmg air to air. Stim still hasn't been nerfed. Zerg can still 6 pool, while BOTH of the other races require a food building first. These are the biggest, most needed changes right now to balance the game not only for 1v1, but for team games as well. They might require some additional balance changes to be implemented effectively, but when those changes finally go through the game will be significantly more balanced. i dont want to degrade this into balance stupidity but, stim is getting nerfed? if so how? (reserving my own judgment on the issue) is this an opinion or something you know for sure? just to clarify, zergs now have to go like 6 ovie, 6 pool? You misread his comment. Read it again. Neither stim or 6 pool are getting nerfed. Blizz did say that they were looking at stimmed marines from what I remember, so it may happen sometime in near future. Sorry, But when did you hear this. I nver heard of them talking about stim. | ||
Dali.
New Zealand689 Posts
Ty. | ||
fdsdfg
United States1251 Posts
On January 11 2011 09:48 razboi wrote: Show nested quote + On January 11 2011 09:34 Sein wrote: On January 11 2011 09:25 FrostedMiniWeet wrote: On January 11 2011 09:23 Jayzo wrote: On January 11 2011 09:17 Tray wrote: Phoenixes still are only A to A. Might be a little more powerful because you can get the required mass sooner, but as I said, they still are light dmg air to air. Stim still hasn't been nerfed. Zerg can still 6 pool, while BOTH of the other races require a food building first. These are the biggest, most needed changes right now to balance the game not only for 1v1, but for team games as well. They might require some additional balance changes to be implemented effectively, but when those changes finally go through the game will be significantly more balanced. i dont want to degrade this into balance stupidity but, stim is getting nerfed? if so how? (reserving my own judgment on the issue) is this an opinion or something you know for sure? just to clarify, zergs now have to go like 6 ovie, 6 pool? You misread his comment. Read it again. Neither stim or 6 pool are getting nerfed. Blizz did say that they were looking at stimmed marines from what I remember, so it may happen sometime in near future. Sorry, But when did you hear this. I nver heard of them talking about stim. At Blizzcon they mentioned it in a Q+A. Stimmed marines are too effective (or effective throughout too much of the game) versus their cost. | ||
N0cturnal
United Kingdom40 Posts
On January 11 2011 09:48 lgn! wrote: is the SEA ladder resetted or what? Negative. No ladder resets this patch have even been hinted at. | ||
ovion
United Kingdom74 Posts
On January 11 2011 09:48 lgn! wrote: is the SEA ladder resetted or what? the ladder isn't going to be reset for 1.2. they said it would come with a later patch | ||
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