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s.a.y
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Croatia3840 Posts
January 11 2011 00:30 GMT
#81
please refrain from balance talk and write only the stuff you managed to pull out of the patch.

like chat channels and 35 second phoenix.

leave the balance for the progamers.
I am not good with quotes
TeWy
Profile Joined December 2009
France714 Posts
January 11 2011 00:31 GMT
#82
On January 11 2011 09:14 ovion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2011 09:10 TeWy wrote:
On January 11 2011 09:07 TheCabDriver wrote:
On January 11 2011 09:07 TeWy wrote:
One more absolutely useless patch totally ignoring the real issues of the game.


Please enlighten us.


There's actually a whole Blizzard team supposedly working on balance, and all they're capable of is delivering a few crappy changes each 1-2 month ?
Do I really need to be more explicit ? This is a joke to me, hope the Blizzard balance team is not fully renumerated or that the've other stuff to do than proposing balance changes.

If you can tell me what all the implications are for the reduced pheonix cost and then name 5 other non-'crappy' changes while listing all their ramfications and how it would improve balance then be my guest. Blizzard doesn't have the luxury of quickly changing a lot as just a few badly thought through changes could severely imbalance the game.


Yes I can tell you, only thing this will change is that people will stop going 2 stargates phoenix against Zerg and will now only build 1, that's it.
On another note, not so good players will be able to defeat 1 thor push more easily.
And people will stop abusing that stupid canon rush against Zerg..

3/4 of the high level games will keep being either cheese or camping fest into A+move.
eos
Profile Joined June 2010
New Zealand39 Posts
January 11 2011 00:32 GMT
#83
Updated my SEA client, am unable to play on NA :-(
' And above all things, never think that you're not good enough yourself. A man should never think that. My belief is that in life people will take you at your own reckoning.' -- The man, Isaac Asimov - RIP
FrostedMiniWeet
Profile Joined July 2009
United States636 Posts
January 11 2011 00:33 GMT
#84
On January 11 2011 09:31 TeWy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2011 09:14 ovion wrote:
On January 11 2011 09:10 TeWy wrote:
On January 11 2011 09:07 TheCabDriver wrote:
On January 11 2011 09:07 TeWy wrote:
One more absolutely useless patch totally ignoring the real issues of the game.


Please enlighten us.


There's actually a whole Blizzard team supposedly working on balance, and all they're capable of is delivering a few crappy changes each 1-2 month ?
Do I really need to be more explicit ? This is a joke to me, hope the Blizzard balance team is not fully renumerated or that the've other stuff to do than proposing balance changes.

If you can tell me what all the implications are for the reduced pheonix cost and then name 5 other non-'crappy' changes while listing all their ramfications and how it would improve balance then be my guest. Blizzard doesn't have the luxury of quickly changing a lot as just a few badly thought through changes could severely imbalance the game.


Yes I can tell you, only thing this will change is that people will stop going 2 stargates phoenix against Zerg and will now only build 1, that's it.
On another note, not so good players will be able to defeat 1 thor push more easily.
And people will stop abusing that stupid canon rush against Zerg..

3/4 of the high level games will keep being either cheese or camping fest into A+move.


People will still abuse cannon rush against Zerg. You can still do pylon block, and its not that much harder. I lost to it on the PTR first time it was tried against me, even pooling first.
Sein
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1811 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-11 00:35:19
January 11 2011 00:34 GMT
#85
On January 11 2011 09:25 FrostedMiniWeet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2011 09:23 Jayzo wrote:
On January 11 2011 09:17 Tray wrote:
Phoenixes still are only A to A. Might be a little more powerful because you can get the required mass sooner, but as I said, they still are light dmg air to air.

Stim still hasn't been nerfed. Zerg can still 6 pool, while BOTH of the other races require a food building first. These are the biggest, most needed changes right now to balance the game not only for 1v1, but for team games as well. They might require some additional balance changes to be implemented effectively, but when those changes finally go through the game will be significantly more balanced.


i dont want to degrade this into balance stupidity but, stim is getting nerfed? if so how? (reserving my own judgment on the issue) is this an opinion or something you know for sure?

just to clarify, zergs now have to go like 6 ovie, 6 pool?


You misread his comment. Read it again. Neither stim or 6 pool are getting nerfed.


Blizz did say that they were looking at stimmed marines from what I remember, so it may happen sometime in near future.
ZeNd0kUn
Profile Joined October 2010
United States331 Posts
January 11 2011 00:35 GMT
#86
oh bummer for the SEA players who want to play on the NA server. Wonder how long it will take to reach the NA servers. Anyone know?
"Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment." - Jesus
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
January 11 2011 00:35 GMT
#87
So do we have any patch notes yet? o_o;
:)
Cofo
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1388 Posts
January 11 2011 00:36 GMT
#88
Still nothing here in NA : /

vvv
On January 11 2011 09:06 nkr wrote:
I'm so hot and bothered right now.

+ Show Spoiler +
Hammertime
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia77 Posts
January 11 2011 00:36 GMT
#89
So do we have any patch notes yet? o_o;


Patch notes weren't updated at the time I patched my client. Probably won't be for a while, knowing Blizzard's record with these things.
Silmakuoppaanikinko
Profile Joined November 2010
799 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-11 00:38:08
January 11 2011 00:37 GMT
#90
On January 11 2011 09:30 s.a.y wrote:
please refrain from balance talk and write only the stuff you managed to pull out of the patch.

like chat channels and 35 second phoenix.

leave the balance for the progamers.
Oh please, progamers know as little about balance as the next guy. Having sick mechanics and awareness hardly exempts you from the basic omniprevelent human flaw of subconsciously desperately trying to find a different reason than your own failure for a loss. Pro zerg players say zerg is up, pro terrans say the same of terran, pro protoss players the same of protoss.

Leave balance debate to random players I'd say.
Workers and town centres are the ultimate counter to turtles.
DarKcS
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia1237 Posts
January 11 2011 00:37 GMT
#91
Well this means 1 day till patch on US servers so yeahhhhhhhhhh start the count-down !!!!!!!!
Die tomorrow - Live today
toadstool
Profile Joined May 2006
Australia421 Posts
January 11 2011 00:38 GMT
#92
On January 11 2011 09:31 TeWy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2011 09:14 ovion wrote:
On January 11 2011 09:10 TeWy wrote:
On January 11 2011 09:07 TheCabDriver wrote:
On January 11 2011 09:07 TeWy wrote:
One more absolutely useless patch totally ignoring the real issues of the game.


Please enlighten us.


There's actually a whole Blizzard team supposedly working on balance, and all they're capable of is delivering a few crappy changes each 1-2 month ?
Do I really need to be more explicit ? This is a joke to me, hope the Blizzard balance team is not fully renumerated or that the've other stuff to do than proposing balance changes.

If you can tell me what all the implications are for the reduced pheonix cost and then name 5 other non-'crappy' changes while listing all their ramfications and how it would improve balance then be my guest. Blizzard doesn't have the luxury of quickly changing a lot as just a few badly thought through changes could severely imbalance the game.


Yes I can tell you, only thing this will change is that people will stop going 2 stargates phoenix against Zerg and will now only build 1, that's it.
On another note, not so good players will be able to defeat 1 thor push more easily.
And people will stop abusing that stupid canon rush against Zerg..

3/4 of the high level games will keep being either cheese or camping fest into A+move.


You're an idiot if you expect mega changes every month that will change how the game is played. The game is fine as it is now, and 3/4 of the game is not cheese or camping fest, where they hell did you get that from.

Brood War was fine tuned the same way. I mean, look at how imba people were saying PvT were, there were no changes and now Protoss has a higher winning % against T in GSL3.

These small changes are absolutely better than huge changes that MAY or MAY NOT work.
NEWB?!
Sein
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1811 Posts
January 11 2011 00:38 GMT
#93
On January 11 2011 09:35 synapse wrote:
So do we have any patch notes yet? o_o;


Most likely going to be the same as the latest PTR patch notes, other than a few changes that they will probably make without announcing as usual.
Tray
Profile Joined March 2010
United States122 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-11 00:55:57
January 11 2011 00:47 GMT
#94
On January 11 2011 09:20 Alou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2011 09:17 Tray wrote:
Phoenixes still are only A to A. Might be a little more powerful because you can get the required mass sooner, but as I said, they still are light dmg air to air.

Stim still hasn't been nerfed. Zerg can still 6 pool, while BOTH of the other races require a food building first. These are the biggest, most needed changes right now to balance the game not only for 1v1, but for team games as well. They might require some additional balance changes to be implemented effectively, but when those changes finally go through the game will be significantly more balanced.


If you can't defend a 6 pool, it's your fault. Not the games fault.


Funny this is the same argument made against reapers. Yet, they got nerfed. 6 pool is broken in team games, not in solo. Yes Blizzard officially said, and have made changes to balance team games.

Stim is for all levels. I didn't see anyone disagree with that.

Edit - by 6 pool i mean pooling before first OL. Doesn't have to be 6. 8-9 pools are far more effective but bring up the same problem.
lgn!
Profile Joined February 2010
Italy224 Posts
January 11 2011 00:48 GMT
#95
is the SEA ladder resetted or what?
화이팅
razboi
Profile Joined September 2010
United States67 Posts
January 11 2011 00:48 GMT
#96
On January 11 2011 09:34 Sein wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2011 09:25 FrostedMiniWeet wrote:
On January 11 2011 09:23 Jayzo wrote:
On January 11 2011 09:17 Tray wrote:
Phoenixes still are only A to A. Might be a little more powerful because you can get the required mass sooner, but as I said, they still are light dmg air to air.

Stim still hasn't been nerfed. Zerg can still 6 pool, while BOTH of the other races require a food building first. These are the biggest, most needed changes right now to balance the game not only for 1v1, but for team games as well. They might require some additional balance changes to be implemented effectively, but when those changes finally go through the game will be significantly more balanced.


i dont want to degrade this into balance stupidity but, stim is getting nerfed? if so how? (reserving my own judgment on the issue) is this an opinion or something you know for sure?

just to clarify, zergs now have to go like 6 ovie, 6 pool?


You misread his comment. Read it again. Neither stim or 6 pool are getting nerfed.


Blizz did say that they were looking at stimmed marines from what I remember, so it may happen sometime in near future.


Sorry, But when did you hear this. I nver heard of them talking about stim.
Dali.
Profile Joined June 2010
New Zealand689 Posts
January 11 2011 00:50 GMT
#97
Hey guys just a query about patching. When I start SC2 I get through to the log in screen then immediatly go back to desktop. I have been playing on the NA server earlier today. Anyway I can remedy this?
Ty.
fdsdfg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1251 Posts
January 11 2011 00:50 GMT
#98
On January 11 2011 09:48 razboi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2011 09:34 Sein wrote:
On January 11 2011 09:25 FrostedMiniWeet wrote:
On January 11 2011 09:23 Jayzo wrote:
On January 11 2011 09:17 Tray wrote:
Phoenixes still are only A to A. Might be a little more powerful because you can get the required mass sooner, but as I said, they still are light dmg air to air.

Stim still hasn't been nerfed. Zerg can still 6 pool, while BOTH of the other races require a food building first. These are the biggest, most needed changes right now to balance the game not only for 1v1, but for team games as well. They might require some additional balance changes to be implemented effectively, but when those changes finally go through the game will be significantly more balanced.


i dont want to degrade this into balance stupidity but, stim is getting nerfed? if so how? (reserving my own judgment on the issue) is this an opinion or something you know for sure?

just to clarify, zergs now have to go like 6 ovie, 6 pool?


You misread his comment. Read it again. Neither stim or 6 pool are getting nerfed.


Blizz did say that they were looking at stimmed marines from what I remember, so it may happen sometime in near future.


Sorry, But when did you hear this. I nver heard of them talking about stim.


At Blizzcon they mentioned it in a Q+A. Stimmed marines are too effective (or effective throughout too much of the game) versus their cost.
aka Siyko
N0cturnal
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom40 Posts
January 11 2011 00:50 GMT
#99
On January 11 2011 09:48 lgn! wrote:
is the SEA ladder resetted or what?


Negative.

No ladder resets this patch have even been hinted at.
For Aiur!
ovion
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom74 Posts
January 11 2011 00:50 GMT
#100
On January 11 2011 09:48 lgn! wrote:
is the SEA ladder resetted or what?

the ladder isn't going to be reset for 1.2. they said it would come with a later patch
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