EPTDay9's union 2011 Address - Page 6
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Snickersnee
United States241 Posts
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Sabu113
United States11110 Posts
Damn. And the * Too good. | ||
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kirkybaby
Korea (South)781 Posts
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PineappleSage
Canada109 Posts
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woody60707
United States1863 Posts
So yea, I'm hoping for the day of the Old Spice pre-game starcraft show. | ||
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Stark1
Canada120 Posts
But, you say, "now he's going to put money he's being given from other sources (back) into e-sports!" This, I imagine, is true. However, all this statement does is distract from the fact that he's now actively begging the community to ease his ride on the gravy train that SC2 is fast becoming (not to mention that "e-sports" may well mean "you all just bought me a trip to -blank- event which I am most likely being paid to attend anyway"). P.S. I really do hope I end up with egg on my face; Day9 comes off as quite nice, and it won't be a surprise to me if we see him channel his growing monetary resources into a large-scale event sometime in the future. If anything, he's now quite obligated to do so. | ||
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
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hoby2000
United States918 Posts
On January 09 2011 21:56 Stark1 wrote: Did anyone else just lose a lot of respect for Day9? I'm fine with him taking donations, but when he says he doesn't want fans paying for e-sports then immediately moves on to ask for money, my jimmies get rustled. This from a guy who just got an entire semester of school paid for by the community (at least $2k), and who surely makes decent bank from casting gigs and Ustream adverts. But, you say, "now he's going to put money he's being given from other sources (back) into e-sports!" This, I imagine, is true. However, all this statement does is distract from the fact that he's now actively begging the community to ease his ride on the gravy train that SC2 is fast becoming (not to mention that "e-sports" may well mean "you all just bought me a trip to -blank- event which I am most likely being paid to attend anyway"). P.S. I really do hope I end up with egg on my face; Day9 comes off as quite nice, and it won't be a surprise to me if we see him channel his growing monetary resources into a large-scale event sometime in the future. If anything, he's now quite obligated to do so. Eh, I think if he was begging for money, or even forcing people to pay for his stream because of a sponsor, or because he needs it, I would be more worried. He says he's going to try to live off donations, but he also says no one really has to send any money. However, people are grateful for his presence in the western e-sports scene, because not only is he an entertaining caster, he also knows what he's talking about, while still making a joke here and there. He just makes the entire experience more enjoyable. This is something I can't really say for any of the commentators who commentate Starcraft 2 - Tasteless and Artosis included. I'm glad we have Day9 for events like MLG, IEM, and other big western tournaments, but if he was casting the GSL, I think more people would definitely watch it. He just has a gift for comedic timing, while still being relevant to the subject at hand. If Day9 and iNcontrol combined their powers together, they would be the ultimate casting duo. Wester e-sports would be 10x more enjoyable just because people would have to know nothing about the game, to be entertained. I show my family clips of Day9's stupid antics, and they love it. The same holds true for iNcontrol too. Just watch the interview he gives Artosis before the GSL preliminaries. Or the interview at MLG Dallas with his girlfriend. I guarantee that if Day9 and iNcontrol just casted together at events, they would be an unstoppable force. | ||
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Fir3fly
Australia251 Posts
On January 09 2011 02:22 Zechs wrote: If anyone in the SC2 community deserves donations, it's Day9, but i fail to see how giving a few pounds/dollars/euros to one guy is going to make esports "mainstream". Personally, i'm not even 100% sure i want esports to go mainstream, but that's a whole other issue. Playing in tournaments yourself and getting your friends into the games (it's not just about SC2, sorry to break it to you) is far more important than donating money to one guy imo. By all means give money to a deserving person like Sean, but don't delude yourself into thinking it's more than that. while sure, sean would do better in putting my money towards esports than what i would. i think the MAIN help we could offer is getting our friends involved into the esports genre of entertainment and making it more socially accepted, etc. that being said, im still going to donate and offer myself as a programmer / do what i can to help but i think the major thing that ALL of us can do atm is get more people interested | ||
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REM.ca
Canada354 Posts
Sponsorship infuses money into the esports community while asking for donations from the community uses up its' ressources. As Tyler mentioned, sponsorship is a proven business model and imo it should be what we're aiming for. I honestly don't think people would stop watching the daily or lose respect for Sean because his overlay has a company name in it or because he mentions the company's name twice in the whole daily. That being said, if there is someone deserving of donations, it is definitely Day9. Don't take my post the wrong way, I still <3 him to death and fully support him in any way I can. Speaking of which, 15k viewers per daily but only 387 Shorty Awards nominations for gaming? Whaaa? | ||
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
On January 09 2011 02:12 Deadlyfish wrote: It's entertainment on one side, but learning the game on the other.I will donate aswell. I mean i get hours and hours of FREE entertainment, saving me the money i'd otherwise have to spend to entertain myself :D The expression "nothing in life is free" was obviously written by someone who hasnt watched the Day9 daily. Cant think of someone more deserving of my money than someone who does something for free (if that makes any sense lol)  There are so many guides about Starcraft. They explain build orders, timings, strategies and so on. But they fail to explain the game. Day[9] however teaches me how I teach myself. | ||
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Munk-E
United States672 Posts
On January 09 2011 21:56 Stark1 wrote: Did anyone else just lose a lot of respect for Day9? I'm fine with him taking donations, but when he says he doesn't want fans paying for e-sports then immediately moves on to ask for money, my jimmies get rustled. This from a guy who just got an entire semester of school paid for by the community (at least $2k), and who surely makes decent bank from casting gigs and Ustream adverts. But, you say, "now he's going to put money he's being given from other sources (back) into e-sports!" This, I imagine, is true. However, all this statement does is distract from the fact that he's now actively begging the community to ease his ride on the gravy train that SC2 is fast becoming (not to mention that "e-sports" may well mean "you all just bought me a trip to -blank- event which I am most likely being paid to attend anyway"). P.S. I really do hope I end up with egg on my face; Day9 comes off as quite nice, and it won't be a surprise to me if we see him channel his growing monetary resources into a large-scale event sometime in the future. If anything, he's now quite obligated to do so. Yeah... I kind of agree, I felt iffy about the whole donations thing I am kind of wondering now how much he makes off of casting major tournaments. I know it's none of my business, but if he was able to live off it before, I'm not quite sure why he is needing donations. I assume he is planning on using his income on projects but it's not stated outright. I think he should have asked for donations for the projects, not so he can order some pizza. | ||
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schimmetje
Netherlands1104 Posts
It does feel like a lot of people are just sitting around waiting for e-sports to happen (and then complain about how the companies in question are doing it wrong). I like the idea of the community taking a bigger stake in this and if this can be spearheaded by someone with Day's experience and connections, I foresee good things ahead. Can't wait! | ||
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Technique
Netherlands1542 Posts
On January 10 2011 00:19 schimmetje wrote: It does feel like a lot of people are just sitting around waiting for e-sports to happen (and then complain about how the companies in question are doing it wrong). I like the idea of the community taking a bigger stake in this and if this can be spearheaded by someone with Day's experience and connections, I foresee good things ahead. Can't wait! E-sports IS already happening. | ||
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Akill_
United Kingdom80 Posts
On January 09 2011 21:56 Stark1 wrote: Did anyone else just lose a lot of respect for Day9? I'm fine with him taking donations, but when he says he doesn't want fans paying for e-sports then immediately moves on to ask for money, my jimmies get rustled. This from a guy who just got an entire semester of school paid for by the community (at least $2k), and who surely makes decent bank from casting gigs and Ustream adverts. But, you say, "now he's going to put money he's being given from other sources (back) into e-sports!" This, I imagine, is true. However, all this statement does is distract from the fact that he's now actively begging the community to ease his ride on the gravy train that SC2 is fast becoming (not to mention that "e-sports" may well mean "you all just bought me a trip to -blank- event which I am most likely being paid to attend anyway"). P.S. I really do hope I end up with egg on my face; Day9 comes off as quite nice, and it won't be a surprise to me if we see him channel his growing monetary resources into a large-scale event sometime in the future. If anything, he's now quite obligated to do so. you're gonna get flak for this but i agree. you can't say you dont expect donations and then ask for them, its a contradiction of terms. That stupidity is the sort of thing that implores all the useless fluffy people on TL to go all watery eyed You just watched day9 spend 12 minutes asking for your money. Regardless of how you feel about it | ||
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schimmetje
Netherlands1104 Posts
Well yes. That was the point, well done. | ||
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Technique
Netherlands1542 Posts
The last line of akill_ his post basically sums up what this topic is all about (eventho that is kinda crude and i do believe in the sincerity of day[9]). | ||
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schimmetje
Netherlands1104 Posts
On January 10 2011 00:42 Technique wrote: No, not really, day[9] and you act like e-sports is about to happen, while we are already in the middle of it. The last line of akill_ his post basically sums up what this topic is all about (eventho that is kinda crude and i do believe in the sincerity of day[9]). Yes I agree reading is hard. You're right akill_ sums up what the thread's mostly about though. Unfortunately it's not what Day was saying he wants to accomplish. If people could get over the donation thing for a second however, they could see the opportunity here. It would serve the community a lot better if the feedback could be steered towards what to do with said opportunity, what people'd want to see and do, than to complain about something that is, again, completely voluntary. | ||
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Technique
Netherlands1542 Posts
Like you can't do great things if you are sponsored? Take is sponsored (since he works for esl), yet his homestory cups are the #1 event to watch. Plugging and advertisement are part of every day life, i'm sure no1 will see you as a sell out if you take a sponsorship @day[9]. Just take 1 that gives you enough freedom to do what you want to do, since you probably are in the luxury position to pick with your amount of viewers and status. Ok that's all for me in this topic. | ||
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NoXious90
United Kingdom160 Posts
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