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CooDu
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia899 Posts
January 09 2011 03:10 GMT
#81
Definitely going to be supporting in the future. Sean's pretty much brought me back to StarCraft, and this is really exciting stuff, bring on 2011.
Just a simple guy, going wherever this journey takes me.
WhoDoYouThink
Profile Joined July 2010
113 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-09 03:11:59
January 09 2011 03:11 GMT
#82
I'm not sure you guys understand the whole deal being him not accepting a sponsorship.

OF COURSE if he accepts one he'll get tons of money. OF COURSE if he gets one it shows progress in the eSports scene.

But Day9 won't do that because he doesn't want eSports to be a game of money - it's a game of entertainment, and interactivity. eSports will be where players and the community interact and have fun, not where the community is kickin' back with a bottle of Coca-Cola.

Personally, I say Day9 should accept the sponsorship. I admire, adore, and hope to aspire to him for taking the community over the money. It's an amazing feat that everyone person hope they can do.

That's what I got out of his State of the Union.
I think those IdrAlisks will kill our HuK rays.
WniO
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2706 Posts
January 09 2011 03:12 GMT
#83
made some great points day9!
TaKemE
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark1045 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-09 03:23:13
January 09 2011 03:19 GMT
#84
On January 09 2011 07:20 Backpack wrote:
I'd much rather have Day[9] devoted to esports and having all the time in the world to produce content instead of him having to work at mcdonalds just to make enough money to eat.


Day9 could easy live of sc2 if he realy wanted to do the work it takes, he would have no problem liveing of just youtube if he made a bit more sc2 content then just his dailies.


E-sport is all about sponsors so I dont get why he dont want one, also some time ago he were looking for a sponsor. There is nothing wrong with haveing a sponsor as long as they dont represent something you are against.

I dont like that he for so lang have been saying he dont like asking for donation when he for sure dont mind now. Also as day9 said "you dont HAVE to give me any money" thats something someone asking for donation would say to make it look less bad, ofcause you dont have to pay if you dont want to everyone knows that.

I dont think donating for him is bad but it goes against everything day9 used to stand for.
suejak
Profile Joined March 2010
Japan545 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-09 04:01:22
January 09 2011 04:00 GMT
#85
On January 09 2011 12:11 WhoDoYouThink wrote:
I'm not sure you guys understand the whole deal being him not accepting a sponsorship.

OF COURSE if he accepts one he'll get tons of money. OF COURSE if he gets one it shows progress in the eSports scene.

But Day9 won't do that because he doesn't want eSports to be a game of money - it's a game of entertainment, and interactivity. eSports will be where players and the community interact and have fun, not where the community is kickin' back with a bottle of Coca-Cola.

Personally, I say Day9 should accept the sponsorship. I admire, adore, and hope to aspire to him for taking the community over the money. It's an amazing feat that everyone person hope they can do.

That's what I got out of his State of the Union.

I think it's clear that a sponsorship would hurt his image purely because the SC community is what it is. Even a comment from him outright rejecting a sponsorship inspired pages of dumb argument, lol.

Suck it up and donate 10 bucks. It'll accomplish much of what a sponsorship does while keeping Day9's image pristine. He's yet to cause damn near ANY controversy, and it definitely wouldn't help him to have the idea that he's a sell-out being argued about in the community.

I dont think donating for him is bad but it goes against everything day9 used to stand for.

Huh? Jesus, you goofballs will say shit like that about anything involving money.
Are you human?
Torpedo.Vegas
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1890 Posts
January 09 2011 04:04 GMT
#86
I do not think a sponsorship is inherently a bad thing. But as much as he will represent that product or company, that company or product will represent him. If an organization that works in line with his goal offers to help, and all he would have to do is add a tiny little overlay in his casts in a corner or something, let it be. I don't think its selling out as long as he remains true to his passion and ideals and not get sidelined by the demands of the sponsor.
hmunkey
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom1973 Posts
January 09 2011 04:06 GMT
#87
About your numbers: they're very misleading. Sure, 120k people attended the finals, which is more than the Super Bowl, but 100m people watched the SB and not even 1m watched the SC finals. Even in Korea, BW isn't overwhelmingly big.

I mean, if we're playing that game, only 40k people attended the World Cup finals. Over half a billion watched. How does that make SCBW bigger than the WC?

We all want esports to grow, but misleading numbers (aka lies) won't help at all.
suejak
Profile Joined March 2010
Japan545 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-09 04:09:59
January 09 2011 04:09 GMT
#88
On January 09 2011 13:06 hmunkey wrote:
About your numbers: they're very misleading. Sure, 120k people attended the finals, which is more than the Super Bowl, but 100m people watched the SB and not even 1m watched the SC finals. Even in Korea, BW isn't overwhelmingly big.

I mean, if we're playing that game, only 40k people attended the World Cup finals. Over half a billion watched. How does that make SCBW bigger than the WC?

We all want esports to grow, but misleading numbers (aka lies) won't help at all.

Nobody thinks BW is bigger than football. Your statistical contribution is appreciated, but your lecture isn't.
Are you human?
kirkybaby
Profile Joined May 2010
Korea (South)781 Posts
January 09 2011 04:23 GMT
#89
LOL.. How did this become an argument about sponsorship? That was only like 2 minutes of a 12 minute video. The point was about community involvement and participating in growing our scene.
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CooDu
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia899 Posts
January 09 2011 04:40 GMT
#90
On January 09 2011 13:23 kirkybaby wrote:
LOL.. How did this become an argument about sponsorship? That was only like 2 minutes of a 12 minute video. The point was about community involvement and participating in growing our scene.


Yeah, just seems like suddenly the main idea of the video was thrown out. If you don't want to donate, that's your choice. The money will come from whatever source it needs to. Let's focus on growing the scene and working as a team.

Having said this, I felt happy to donate a small amount to Sean because I felt his work is not only benefiting me, but his overall goal/aim is a positive benefit for all of us as StarCraft players!

Just a simple guy, going wherever this journey takes me.
Twistacles
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1327 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-09 04:45:06
January 09 2011 04:44 GMT
#91
I'll try to do what a can, sean buddeh
"If you don't give a shit which gum you buy, get stride" - Tyler
MythicalMage
Profile Joined May 2010
1360 Posts
January 09 2011 04:47 GMT
#92
On January 09 2011 12:19 TaKemE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2011 07:20 Backpack wrote:
I'd much rather have Day[9] devoted to esports and having all the time in the world to produce content instead of him having to work at mcdonalds just to make enough money to eat.


Day9 could easy live of sc2 if he realy wanted to do the work it takes, he would have no problem liveing of just youtube if he made a bit more sc2 content then just his dailies.


E-sport is all about sponsors so I dont get why he dont want one, also some time ago he were looking for a sponsor. There is nothing wrong with haveing a sponsor as long as they dont represent something you are against.

I dont like that he for so lang have been saying he dont like asking for donation when he for sure dont mind now. Also as day9 said "you dont HAVE to give me any money" thats something someone asking for donation would say to make it look less bad, ofcause you dont have to pay if you dont want to everyone knows that.

I dont think donating for him is bad but it goes against everything day9 used to stand for.

That's a bit silly. I think in fact, instead of it going against everything Day9 used to, and does, stand for, it is supporting what he stands for. He wants esports, to grow. He'll need help, and so instead of looking for big business, he goes to the people that are as passionate as he is.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
January 09 2011 05:02 GMT
#93
I think he should get a sponsor for the Daily. I'm sure there are sponsors willing to not be too intrusive with their advertising and willing to leave full creative control to Sean. I don't think his Daily should be an exception to the way esports content is funded. The sooner content like the Daily is integrated into these proven business models, the better for esports.

I think his choice is to cultivate community. He wants to keep community strong because he sees community as our best bet at getting things off the ground. It might be for the best if the Daily stays how it is, at least for a while longer. I think he has a better perspective than me so I'll trust his judgment.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
ROOTCatZ
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
Peru1226 Posts
January 09 2011 05:03 GMT
#94
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evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
January 09 2011 05:04 GMT
#95
day9 for president!
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
metroid composite
Profile Joined February 2007
Canada231 Posts
January 09 2011 05:18 GMT
#96
Sponsorship would probably lose him some viewers, which are his strongest resource right now. Being overly obnoxious about asking for donations could have similar effects. I think he's being fairly smart here.

On an unrelated note: is anyone else now fantasizing about being a beautiful Day 9 daughter forced to stay in and watch Starcraft? That sounds amazing. Adopt me, Day 9!
Cats land on their feet. Toast lands peanut butter side down. A cat with toast strapped to its back will hover above the ground in a state of quantum indecision
TurkeyBacon
Profile Joined March 2010
United States30 Posts
January 09 2011 05:21 GMT
#97
I love this speech and what Day[9] has done for esports, but I also find it confusing that he says that the money flowing into the scene should be advertisers', not ours, but then asks for donations instead of accepting a sponsorship. I guess he makes the distinction that the daily is about becoming a better gamer and isn't just shoutcasting, but I just think he should take a sponsorship. Day[9] has casted tournaments with sponsors and knows how to plug them in the least obtrusive way possible, and even his own King of the Beta tourney had a sponsor. I just feel that from a grand esports perspective, the daily isn't that different from a tournament and should be funded the same way.

To be clear, I love Day[9] and he might have other reasons not to accept a sponsor, but that's my 2 cents.
EGLzGaMeR
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1867 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-09 05:38:14
January 09 2011 05:37 GMT
#98
Sean, I got your back sir

ESPORTS @ NA!!
vileChAnCe
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada525 Posts
January 09 2011 05:41 GMT
#99
At first It felt like a low blow for him to be asking for donations, but then I put more thought into it and his content that he produces is well worth every penny that he receives. I can't think of another person worthy of my dollar so long as he continues to try his bestest for my dreams !!
Day[9] i've broken 6 mice, 5 keyboards, 3 pairs of headphones, and a mousepad, all from raging after starcraft losing streaks
gr8ape
Profile Joined July 2008
Canada302 Posts
January 09 2011 05:41 GMT
#100
i think sean would not be comfortable adversitising on his own show every night, im sure it would feel off
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