I looked to see if a thread has posted this video yet, but I'm not finding it anywhere too obvious, and since everyone needs to watch this and get involved in order to grow E-Sports, I thought I'd take the initiative and post it. Enjoy! And send any constructive thoughts to feedback@day9.tv
Whoa, thanks duncan for putting this up here. I threw that vid up on my own3d when I noticed Sean didn't put it on his blip, and a couple days later it's linked on reddit, TL, and day9fan and nearing 20k views. The sc2 community is great and Day9's energy and motivation is so contagious. I'm stoked that a lot of people are able to watch and hopefully donate or get involved in whatever way they can. <3 <3 <3
It's awesome that Day9 has the courage to take on an amazing task like this though as he said we're all welcome to help in whatever way we can. I certainly support him and his way of thinking, especially since I grew up with my adults and siblings (they are all 10+ years older) saying that gaming is a waste of time and life in general, if it's what you enjoy then why not do it? As long as you remember there are other things in life too I think TL and it's community and sponsors are already well on their way to helping Esports grow and I hope that Day9 at the forefront can spread the word that Esports is something that should be enjoyed by the masses but also taken seriously.
I don't understand how if we donate to help him buy meat the money will get directly back to help fuel the development of esports. I donated when TL had the quest to donate a bunch of money for everything he does. He is a great ambassador and I am a huge fan, but I don't understand why he is asking for donations to buy meat.
On January 08 2011 17:10 AirbladeOrange wrote: I don't understand how if we donate to help him buy meat the money will get directly back to help fuel the development of esports. I donated when TL had the quest to donate a bunch of money for everything he does. He is a great ambassador and I am a huge fan, but I don't understand why he is asking for donations to buy meat.
then all his other income (and more importantly TIME) can go towards e-sports.
If you have any talents, skills services i'd implore you to offer up your time and services to him
Someone with the following such as Sean as well as the passion and love he has for the game and the esports industry has the potential to take things a lot further than their current stand point; it is sad that most things in life come down to money, but that is the reality. I have heard a few negative responses to his sponsorship request, but if people know who this guy is and what he is all about, i feel they will recognise the potential he has..
While I've donated to day9 in the past and will continue to do so, I can't help but think that it seems like good business sense for him to accept one of the sponsorship offers for the daily that he mentions rejecting in this video.
Even for real sports like football the major analysis shows are all sponsored and advertising and sponsorship is the accepted business model for the vast majority of sports content.
I for one certainly wouldn't feel like accepting a sponsorship would be day9 "selling out" and I think if the goal is to expand and grow esports corporate sponsorship and advertising need to be part of that. I think that we should be laying the ground work for the business model of esports as in the end the commercial viability of esports is likely to be what makes or breaks things.
Anyways I just wanted to share my thoughts and make sure Day9 knows that at least for me, I would be proud of him if he managed to land a major sponsor for the daily and I wouldn't view it as selling out at all. In fact I would find the fact that a show based on commentary and analysis of SC2 (not even a tournament broadcast) was economically viable to be an extremely positive step in the development of esports.
As an entrepreneur who's managed to make a living doing things I love I think it is a very important lesson to learn that you can make money off of something without devaluing it or "selling out" and I think Sean deserves to be rewarded financially for all the value he provides to his thousands of fans through the day9 daily.
Basically, Sean will be out of school after this semester and he, and everyone else in the sc2 community wants him to devote himself full time to e-sports. If he can't support himself through e-sports than his only other choice is to get a real job with the education he has been getting all this time. That would mean less Day9 all around, less casting tournaments in the US and globally, less Day9 in state of the game, less daily's, less time for developing day9.tv and growing the community.
That's why 2011 is an important year for Sean to find out what the future holds in store, and what he can do to make it better for all of us. It also happens to be timed perfectly with the popularity of sc2 and e-sports rising, making it an important year for everyone interested to get involved.
On January 08 2011 17:58 tarath wrote: I for one certainly wouldn't feel like accepting a sponsorship would be day9 "selling out" and I think if the goal is to expand and grow esports corporate sponsorship and advertising need to be part of that. I think that we should be laying the ground work for the business model of esports as in the end the commercial viability of esports is likely to be what makes or breaks things.
Send that opinion to feedback@day9.tv I think these are the kinds of things he wants to hear our opinion on.
no offense to day9, i'm sure he has only good intentions for all this, but i think he's missing a more important point.
esports isn't just having "professional" gaming tournaments that are streamed online, having "progamers", having a gaming community that will most likely only appeal to nerds like all of us. esports is about integrating video gaming into part of mainstream social culture attractive to everyone.
and in order for esports to be accessible and entertaining for everyone (not just sc2 fanbois like day9 who think it's the "best rts ever".....) the game has to be very exciting to not only play, but also watch. as we all know, sc:bw has succeeded as much as it has thanks to how entertaining it is as a spectator sport and due to many other reasons you guys can read about in the GSL popularity thread.
basically my point is, you just can't force a game to be a platform for esports when the game itself isn't even ready for esports. and i feel it's not only blizzard, but ppl like day9 who are wishing for a sc2 esports scene without having a closer frame of reference towards the state of the game.
if the game is exciting and balanced enough, THEN we can try to make it part of esports. compare today's gsl games with the skt vs kt winner's league if you don't know what i'm talking about. actually i guess that's unfair since today was code a. in fact, compared today's winner's league series with any gsl series so far and you'll know what i'm talking about. focus on the gameplay of each game i mean.
On January 08 2011 18:18 kwkwookw wrote: if the game is exciting and balanced enough, THEN we can try to make it part of esports. compare today's gsl games with the skt vs kt winner's league if you don't know what i'm talking about. actually i guess that's unfair since today was code a. in fact, compared today's winner's league series with any gsl series so far and you'll know what i'm talking about. focus on the gameplay of each game i mean.
Actually i kind of understand where you are coming from. But it would be foolish to halt all development of e-sports infrastructure around sc2 because the game isn't perfect yet. And it would be equally foolish to think that bw is going to be the game that takes e-sports to the next level as we move into the future. It's people like day9 that are creating an interest in the sc2 community to improve themselves as players and the game in general as a result.
This has all been said before and is hardly relevant to this thread and what day9 is trying to do so I hate to feed this line of discussion. But sc2 is a hell of a lot more balanced than BW was less than a year after it's release, and it is exciting enough already that the fan base is large enough for sponsorships to keep flowing in and getting larger, and tournaments to keep getting bigger and more frequent. That coupled with the increasing ability of the Internets infrastructure to support e-sports on a global scale (both semi-pro and pro e-sports) means that things will only get better as time goes on. And as long as people like Day9 are devoted to the cause, with the support of a huge % of the community, I feel great about the direction things are going.
don't get the wrong idea people that donating to day9 somehow means your contributing to esports. He specifically said that money is to help him with living expenses.
On January 08 2011 18:43 mufin wrote: don't get the wrong idea people that donating to day9 somehow means your contributing to esports. He specifically said that money is to help him with living expenses.
On January 08 2011 18:08 OrangeNinja21 wrote: Day[9] is THE leader of Esports right now and I will gladly aid him during this new year of 2011. Sound the Trumpets!
On January 08 2011 18:43 mufin wrote: don't get the wrong idea people that donating to day9 somehow means your contributing to esports. He specifically said that money is to help him with living expenses.
...which does in fact contribute to e-sports.
not really. donating is just a gesture of thanks for the work day9 does. I doubt day9 will cast aside esports and get a job if he didn't receive donations. His revenue from casting events, youtube, and blip are more then enough to get by on.
If the community wants to make esports happen then its going to be with their time and talent, not their wallet. Sponsors provide more money then donations ever could.
On January 08 2011 18:43 mufin wrote: don't get the wrong idea people that donating to day9 somehow means your contributing to esports. He specifically said that money is to help him with living expenses.
...which does in fact contribute to e-sports.
not really. donating is just a gesture of thanks for the work day9 does. I doubt day9 will cast aside esports and get a job if he didn't receive donations. His revenue from casting events, youtube, and blip are more then enough to get by on.
If the community wants to make esports happen then its going to be with their time and talent, not their wallet. Sponsors provide more money then donations ever could.
Did you not watch the video? Right now a big part of the income generated by his dailies goes to help Sean with his living expenses. If people donated enough for him to get by without tapping into those funds, he could use all the money generated by his dailies etc and funnel them into e-sports.
All of it is completely optional too. He's still going to be doing the daily, and it's going to be free. He just said that if you would like to help him, you can.
Fuck what other people say. WE will make this happen.
Bunch of prophecies of doom in that thread. Such bullcrap. Starcraft 2 is getting better and better, and with a guy like day9, how could sc2 possibly fail?
Fuck what other people say. WE will make this happen.
Bunch of prophecies of doom in that thread. Such bullcrap. Starcraft 2 is getting better and better, and with a guy like day9, how could sc2 possibly fail?
kr_priest, awesome photo, and the star on his j-key was an awesome touch.
To all you skeptics, this will help e-sports. We need a figurehead from our community (Day9) that can galvanize us to participate in viewership, who can get more friends interested and involved (tell you friends! Have them join Day9's Ustream Crowd so he can tell sponsor's how big his crowd is!). Furthermore, once we get big sponsors regularly assisting tournaments with prizes and publicity, we may see things start to explode into mainstream, and have, say, primetime games on network TV opposite football and basketball someday... Perhaps when we're old farts sitting on our couch watching Starcraft Infinity matches on Friday night, we can remember how were played a role.
By the way, it worked in Korea, why not in the US, Europe, and beyond as well?!
Now again, why can't this be us? It can people, we just need people to dedicate their time, skilled people who have the viewership and powers of persuasion, and one of those people is Day9.
On January 09 2011 01:27 sjschmidt93 wrote: Wait, he didn't actually archive this? That seems like a big mistake.
Yeah. i also been looking for this in the archives but coudn't find it. I think he should put that on YouTube in the highlights videos.
On topic. I never ever have donated money to anyone on the web. I simply thought that nobody really deserved MY money to spend on stuff. Until now.
I'm not wealthy by any means and I also have bills to pay and food to put on the table but I truly think that Day9 has the passion and the commitment to pull something off to make e-Sports grow greatly. Also Day9 already gave me (and to many others) so much that I think that it is time to give something in return to help e-Sports in anyway I can. I WILL donate. Not much but something;) and will try to support the community in positive ways and spread the word about SC and e-Sports in general. If all of us give (and I don't mean money) a little bit back, the sum of all part will be huge so...
I will donate aswell. I mean i get hours and hours of FREE entertainment, saving me the money i'd otherwise have to spend to entertain myself :D The expression "nothing in life is free" was obviously written by someone who hasnt watched the Day9 daily. Cant think of someone more deserving of my money than someone who does something for free (if that makes any sense lol)
If anyone in the SC2 community deserves donations, it's Day9, but i fail to see how giving a few pounds/dollars/euros to one guy is going to make esports "mainstream". Personally, i'm not even 100% sure i want esports to go mainstream, but that's a whole other issue. Playing in tournaments yourself and getting your friends into the games (it's not just about SC2, sorry to break it to you) is far more important than donating money to one guy imo.
By all means give money to a deserving person like Sean, but don't delude yourself into thinking it's more than that.
Dude helped me out with some mid-game TvZ timings with his podcast back in '09, and that, coupled with the hilarious shit he's done like the campfire story and trumpets, is worth a few bucks at least. The fact that this money will go towards someone who's already done more than enough for the community, and is aiming to accomplish tenfold that, should be enough incentive for any regular Day9 viewer.
Keep in mind, I have student loans and expensive web development costs to deal with right now XP
Day9, full time working on making Starcraft 2 a bigger/better esport? *drools*
I really hope he accepts sponsorship too of some sort, he will need money, guaranteed. Donations could definitely keep him afloat, with all the people who love him, but realistically he needs some sustained income to do what he does best.
I hope the future turns out as bright as it looks for him.
On January 08 2011 18:43 mufin wrote: don't get the wrong idea people that donating to day9 somehow means your contributing to esports. He specifically said that money is to help him with living expenses.
...which does in fact contribute to e-sports.
not really. donating is just a gesture of thanks for the work day9 does. I doubt day9 will cast aside esports and get a job if he didn't receive donations. His revenue from casting events, youtube, and blip are more then enough to get by on.
If the community wants to make esports happen then its going to be with their time and talent, not their wallet. Sponsors provide more money then donations ever could.
Did you not watch the video? Right now a big part of the income generated by his dailies goes to help Sean with his living expenses. If people donated enough for him to get by without tapping into those funds, he could use all the money generated by his dailies etc and funnel them into e-sports.
All of it is completely optional too. He's still going to be doing the daily, and it's going to be free. He just said that if you would like to help him, you can.
I watched the video, but I guess our interpretations of his message are different lol.
People need to do more then throwing money at Sean and expecting him to carry esports. Getting involved in the community and starting your own projects is 100 times more effective then paying Sean's electric bill. Thats where JP started with SotG, thats where Sean started with his daily, and countless others who are well known in the community.
This is great i am really looking forward to seeing what he has in store for us this year, hope to see some cool projects and things soon. keep up the good work day we are all behind you
I just put aside 20 bucks a month and then randomly donate it to tourneys and streams. Gonna add another 5 a month for day9. It's not much and I'm not rich, but $5 isn't a noticeable amount. Multiply that by the number of people that watch day9's casts (20k at least including the archive viewers) then that's $100,000 per month. That's more than the GSL prize pool.
On January 09 2011 04:31 mufin wrote: People need to do more then throwing money at Sean and expecting him to carry esports. Getting involved in the community and starting your own projects is 100 times more effective then paying Sean's electric bill. Thats where JP started with SotG, thats where Sean started with his daily, and countless others who are well known in the community.
Some people have more money than time. It's much easier for me to drop $1,000 into Day9's bank account than it is to spend 100 hours on my own esports projects. It's also much cheaper to boot since I own my own business and time is money. I also expect Sean will put it to good use in ways I never could, just because he has such a huge following already.
Not everyone who plays SC2 is a broke college kid. Some of us are overloaded on time commitment but can easily help pay to help promote our favorite pastime.
I will try to donate to sean on a monthly basis from now on. Like someone would pay for GomTV one could also pay for his dailies that I personally enjoy alot. Quite natural to devote some of my money to my source of entertainment i guess. As someone already mentioned. Onetime donations will bring sean only so far. That's why i think smaller monthly donating would be a good thing. Of course to do that is everyone's own decision. It won't hurt me for sure and I like the thought of supporting day9 and directly (which cannot be denied since this union address) eSports with it.
50 euros a month isnt much, but if it means that he will be spending most of his time casting and doing other SC related stuff instead of working, and casting/doing dailies in the few hours he isnt working and on weekends, which in turns means that I then get to watch a ton more awesome and entertaining casts, thats well worth it :D
The only real problem I can see with that is that he might soon be able to provide more content than I actually have time to watch, and not being able to see all of it is going to be sad Oh well, guess Ill have to sleep even less!
I'd much rather have Day[9] devoted to esports and having all the time in the world to produce content instead of him having to work at mcdonalds just to make enough money to eat.
It should also be noted that according to terms of use agreements with the various websites he uses to broadcast, Day9 probably can't actively ask us to click on the ads on his videos...
On January 08 2011 18:08 OrangeNinja21 wrote: Day[9] is THE leader of Esports right now and I will gladly aid him during this new year of 2011. Sound the Trumpets!
On January 09 2011 10:20 bLuR wrote: i knew he would eventually ask for donations after he realized he made so much money from reddit
Do not criticize if you never contributed to e-sport at all. His donation page was always there, he just said this to make people more aware of that.
He said that he has plans. To make those plan reality, he needs money. So you think it is ok for him to just take his own money to entertain you on top of the free daily he gives everyday?
I guarantee some people are going to complain that he's asking for donations, and I can understand why. But as someone with a strong (if semi rational) dislike of advertisements, I can totally relate to not wanting sponsorship. I don't know about anyone else but every paycheque I get, Sean Plott will get a little slice.
He really should accept a sponsorship. As much as I understand the whole 'selling-out' thing he must have going through his head, asking for donations from the community is essentially the same thing. If he really wants to make e-sports happen then he will need to start making compromises like this.
I definitely want to start getting involved with any of the "community projects" that come up. As far as donations and monetary support go, I'd definitely throw him a little extra cash if I had it to spare lol.
I think it's totally fine of him to ask for donations, I mean he contributes so much to the community constantly. Plus it's not like he's the kind of guy who would see 0 dollars in donations and go "Well I guess these people don't deserve any more contributions from me." He loves this game and this community, I don't think he'll ever give up on it.
I think everyone remotely interested in making eSports bigger (which should be everyone here) should watch these. Day[9] is a great role model for the Starcraft 2 community in general imo.
On January 08 2011 18:08 OrangeNinja21 wrote: Day[9] is THE leader of Esports right now and I will gladly aid him during this new year of 2011. Sound the Trumpets!
Here's a picture I made of him today, Day[9] ftw!
Lol the J is highlighted with a star, thats beyond awesome hahaha
eSports is easily the most accessible competition out there. Anyone can watch for free, and for the super cheap 60 dollar cost(compared to normal sports, that is nothing!), anyone can play too! Sooooo much potential. I am psyked for 2011.
On January 09 2011 11:48 McMonty wrote: eSports is easily the most accessible competition out there. Anyone can watch for free, and for the super cheap 60 dollar cost(compared to normal sports, that is nothing!), anyone can play too! Sooooo much potential. I am psyked for 2011.
dont forget the price of decent computer and internet connection
I'm not sure you guys understand the whole deal being him not accepting a sponsorship.
OF COURSE if he accepts one he'll get tons of money. OF COURSE if he gets one it shows progress in the eSports scene.
But Day9 won't do that because he doesn't want eSports to be a game of money - it's a game of entertainment, and interactivity. eSports will be where players and the community interact and have fun, not where the community is kickin' back with a bottle of Coca-Cola.
Personally, I say Day9 should accept the sponsorship. I admire, adore, and hope to aspire to him for taking the community over the money. It's an amazing feat that everyone person hope they can do.
On January 09 2011 07:20 Backpack wrote: I'd much rather have Day[9] devoted to esports and having all the time in the world to produce content instead of him having to work at mcdonalds just to make enough money to eat.
Day9 could easy live of sc2 if he realy wanted to do the work it takes, he would have no problem liveing of just youtube if he made a bit more sc2 content then just his dailies.
E-sport is all about sponsors so I dont get why he dont want one, also some time ago he were looking for a sponsor. There is nothing wrong with haveing a sponsor as long as they dont represent something you are against.
I dont like that he for so lang have been saying he dont like asking for donation when he for sure dont mind now. Also as day9 said "you dont HAVE to give me any money" thats something someone asking for donation would say to make it look less bad, ofcause you dont have to pay if you dont want to everyone knows that.
I dont think donating for him is bad but it goes against everything day9 used to stand for.
On January 09 2011 12:11 WhoDoYouThink wrote: I'm not sure you guys understand the whole deal being him not accepting a sponsorship.
OF COURSE if he accepts one he'll get tons of money. OF COURSE if he gets one it shows progress in the eSports scene.
But Day9 won't do that because he doesn't want eSports to be a game of money - it's a game of entertainment, and interactivity. eSports will be where players and the community interact and have fun, not where the community is kickin' back with a bottle of Coca-Cola.
Personally, I say Day9 should accept the sponsorship. I admire, adore, and hope to aspire to him for taking the community over the money. It's an amazing feat that everyone person hope they can do.
That's what I got out of his State of the Union.
I think it's clear that a sponsorship would hurt his image purely because the SC community is what it is. Even a comment from him outright rejecting a sponsorship inspired pages of dumb argument, lol.
Suck it up and donate 10 bucks. It'll accomplish much of what a sponsorship does while keeping Day9's image pristine. He's yet to cause damn near ANY controversy, and it definitely wouldn't help him to have the idea that he's a sell-out being argued about in the community.
I dont think donating for him is bad but it goes against everything day9 used to stand for.
Huh? Jesus, you goofballs will say shit like that about anything involving money.
I do not think a sponsorship is inherently a bad thing. But as much as he will represent that product or company, that company or product will represent him. If an organization that works in line with his goal offers to help, and all he would have to do is add a tiny little overlay in his casts in a corner or something, let it be. I don't think its selling out as long as he remains true to his passion and ideals and not get sidelined by the demands of the sponsor.
About your numbers: they're very misleading. Sure, 120k people attended the finals, which is more than the Super Bowl, but 100m people watched the SB and not even 1m watched the SC finals. Even in Korea, BW isn't overwhelmingly big.
I mean, if we're playing that game, only 40k people attended the World Cup finals. Over half a billion watched. How does that make SCBW bigger than the WC?
We all want esports to grow, but misleading numbers (aka lies) won't help at all.
On January 09 2011 13:06 hmunkey wrote: About your numbers: they're very misleading. Sure, 120k people attended the finals, which is more than the Super Bowl, but 100m people watched the SB and not even 1m watched the SC finals. Even in Korea, BW isn't overwhelmingly big.
I mean, if we're playing that game, only 40k people attended the World Cup finals. Over half a billion watched. How does that make SCBW bigger than the WC?
We all want esports to grow, but misleading numbers (aka lies) won't help at all.
Nobody thinks BW is bigger than football. Your statistical contribution is appreciated, but your lecture isn't.
LOL.. How did this become an argument about sponsorship? That was only like 2 minutes of a 12 minute video. The point was about community involvement and participating in growing our scene.
On January 09 2011 13:23 kirkybaby wrote: LOL.. How did this become an argument about sponsorship? That was only like 2 minutes of a 12 minute video. The point was about community involvement and participating in growing our scene.
Yeah, just seems like suddenly the main idea of the video was thrown out. If you don't want to donate, that's your choice. The money will come from whatever source it needs to. Let's focus on growing the scene and working as a team.
Having said this, I felt happy to donate a small amount to Sean because I felt his work is not only benefiting me, but his overall goal/aim is a positive benefit for all of us as StarCraft players!
On January 09 2011 07:20 Backpack wrote: I'd much rather have Day[9] devoted to esports and having all the time in the world to produce content instead of him having to work at mcdonalds just to make enough money to eat.
Day9 could easy live of sc2 if he realy wanted to do the work it takes, he would have no problem liveing of just youtube if he made a bit more sc2 content then just his dailies.
E-sport is all about sponsors so I dont get why he dont want one, also some time ago he were looking for a sponsor. There is nothing wrong with haveing a sponsor as long as they dont represent something you are against.
I dont like that he for so lang have been saying he dont like asking for donation when he for sure dont mind now. Also as day9 said "you dont HAVE to give me any money" thats something someone asking for donation would say to make it look less bad, ofcause you dont have to pay if you dont want to everyone knows that.
I dont think donating for him is bad but it goes against everything day9 used to stand for.
That's a bit silly. I think in fact, instead of it going against everything Day9 used to, and does, stand for, it is supporting what he stands for. He wants esports, to grow. He'll need help, and so instead of looking for big business, he goes to the people that are as passionate as he is.
I think he should get a sponsor for the Daily. I'm sure there are sponsors willing to not be too intrusive with their advertising and willing to leave full creative control to Sean. I don't think his Daily should be an exception to the way esports content is funded. The sooner content like the Daily is integrated into these proven business models, the better for esports.
I think his choice is to cultivate community. He wants to keep community strong because he sees community as our best bet at getting things off the ground. It might be for the best if the Daily stays how it is, at least for a while longer. I think he has a better perspective than me so I'll trust his judgment.
Sponsorship would probably lose him some viewers, which are his strongest resource right now. Being overly obnoxious about asking for donations could have similar effects. I think he's being fairly smart here.
On an unrelated note: is anyone else now fantasizing about being a beautiful Day 9 daughter forced to stay in and watch Starcraft? That sounds amazing. Adopt me, Day 9!
I love this speech and what Day[9] has done for esports, but I also find it confusing that he says that the money flowing into the scene should be advertisers', not ours, but then asks for donations instead of accepting a sponsorship. I guess he makes the distinction that the daily is about becoming a better gamer and isn't just shoutcasting, but I just think he should take a sponsorship. Day[9] has casted tournaments with sponsors and knows how to plug them in the least obtrusive way possible, and even his own King of the Beta tourney had a sponsor. I just feel that from a grand esports perspective, the daily isn't that different from a tournament and should be funded the same way.
To be clear, I love Day[9] and he might have other reasons not to accept a sponsor, but that's my 2 cents.
At first It felt like a low blow for him to be asking for donations, but then I put more thought into it and his content that he produces is well worth every penny that he receives. I can't think of another person worthy of my dollar so long as he continues to try his bestest for my dreams !!
The thing is too, he doesn't do the daily every day, and probably doesn't want to feel forced into doing it. If you follow this logic, he probably feels that accepting a sponsor would reduce the quality of the daily.
Money makes the world go round.I was playing some NFL 07 wii game , And they had some Old Spice half time report (can you say product placement). This really is the best(only) future of E-sports.
So yea, I'm hoping for the day of the Old Spice pre-game starcraft show.
Did anyone else just lose a lot of respect for Day9? I'm fine with him taking donations, but when he says he doesn't want fans paying for e-sports then immediately moves on to ask for money, my jimmies get rustled. This from a guy who just got an entire semester of school paid for by the community (at least $2k), and who surely makes decent bank from casting gigs and Ustream adverts.
But, you say, "now he's going to put money he's being given from other sources (back) into e-sports!" This, I imagine, is true. However, all this statement does is distract from the fact that he's now actively begging the community to ease his ride on the gravy train that SC2 is fast becoming (not to mention that "e-sports" may well mean "you all just bought me a trip to -blank- event which I am most likely being paid to attend anyway").
P.S. I really do hope I end up with egg on my face; Day9 comes off as quite nice, and it won't be a surprise to me if we see him channel his growing monetary resources into a large-scale event sometime in the future. If anything, he's now quite obligated to do so.
On January 09 2011 21:56 Stark1 wrote: Did anyone else just lose a lot of respect for Day9? I'm fine with him taking donations, but when he says he doesn't want fans paying for e-sports then immediately moves on to ask for money, my jimmies get rustled. This from a guy who just got an entire semester of school paid for by the community (at least $2k), and who surely makes decent bank from casting gigs and Ustream adverts.
But, you say, "now he's going to put money he's being given from other sources (back) into e-sports!" This, I imagine, is true. However, all this statement does is distract from the fact that he's now actively begging the community to ease his ride on the gravy train that SC2 is fast becoming (not to mention that "e-sports" may well mean "you all just bought me a trip to -blank- event which I am most likely being paid to attend anyway").
P.S. I really do hope I end up with egg on my face; Day9 comes off as quite nice, and it won't be a surprise to me if we see him channel his growing monetary resources into a large-scale event sometime in the future. If anything, he's now quite obligated to do so.
Eh, I think if he was begging for money, or even forcing people to pay for his stream because of a sponsor, or because he needs it, I would be more worried. He says he's going to try to live off donations, but he also says no one really has to send any money.
However, people are grateful for his presence in the western e-sports scene, because not only is he an entertaining caster, he also knows what he's talking about, while still making a joke here and there. He just makes the entire experience more enjoyable. This is something I can't really say for any of the commentators who commentate Starcraft 2 - Tasteless and Artosis included.
I'm glad we have Day9 for events like MLG, IEM, and other big western tournaments, but if he was casting the GSL, I think more people would definitely watch it. He just has a gift for comedic timing, while still being relevant to the subject at hand. If Day9 and iNcontrol combined their powers together, they would be the ultimate casting duo. Wester e-sports would be 10x more enjoyable just because people would have to know nothing about the game, to be entertained. I show my family clips of Day9's stupid antics, and they love it.
The same holds true for iNcontrol too. Just watch the interview he gives Artosis before the GSL preliminaries. Or the interview at MLG Dallas with his girlfriend.
I guarantee that if Day9 and iNcontrol just casted together at events, they would be an unstoppable force.
On January 09 2011 02:22 Zechs wrote: If anyone in the SC2 community deserves donations, it's Day9, but i fail to see how giving a few pounds/dollars/euros to one guy is going to make esports "mainstream". Personally, i'm not even 100% sure i want esports to go mainstream, but that's a whole other issue. Playing in tournaments yourself and getting your friends into the games (it's not just about SC2, sorry to break it to you) is far more important than donating money to one guy imo.
By all means give money to a deserving person like Sean, but don't delude yourself into thinking it's more than that.
while sure, sean would do better in putting my money towards esports than what i would. i think the MAIN help we could offer is getting our friends involved into the esports genre of entertainment and making it more socially accepted, etc. that being said, im still going to donate and offer myself as a programmer / do what i can to help but i think the major thing that ALL of us can do atm is get more people interested
Oh man, I wish I had the luxury of being able to refuse money offered to me for doing something I love. How many of us dream of being payed to play or cast Starcraft? For this reason, I feel it's a bit frustrating that Sean would refuse sponsorship. It's like he's accomplished every nerd's dream and decides to stomp on it. Ouch.
Sponsorship infuses money into the esports community while asking for donations from the community uses up its' ressources. As Tyler mentioned, sponsorship is a proven business model and imo it should be what we're aiming for. I honestly don't think people would stop watching the daily or lose respect for Sean because his overlay has a company name in it or because he mentions the company's name twice in the whole daily.
That being said, if there is someone deserving of donations, it is definitely Day9. Don't take my post the wrong way, I still <3 him to death and fully support him in any way I can.
On January 09 2011 02:12 Deadlyfish wrote: I will donate aswell. I mean i get hours and hours of FREE entertainment, saving me the money i'd otherwise have to spend to entertain myself :D The expression "nothing in life is free" was obviously written by someone who hasnt watched the Day9 daily. Cant think of someone more deserving of my money than someone who does something for free (if that makes any sense lol)
It's entertainment on one side, but learning the game on the other.
There are so many guides about Starcraft. They explain build orders, timings, strategies and so on. But they fail to explain the game. Day[9] however teaches me how I teach myself.
On January 09 2011 21:56 Stark1 wrote: Did anyone else just lose a lot of respect for Day9? I'm fine with him taking donations, but when he says he doesn't want fans paying for e-sports then immediately moves on to ask for money, my jimmies get rustled. This from a guy who just got an entire semester of school paid for by the community (at least $2k), and who surely makes decent bank from casting gigs and Ustream adverts.
But, you say, "now he's going to put money he's being given from other sources (back) into e-sports!" This, I imagine, is true. However, all this statement does is distract from the fact that he's now actively begging the community to ease his ride on the gravy train that SC2 is fast becoming (not to mention that "e-sports" may well mean "you all just bought me a trip to -blank- event which I am most likely being paid to attend anyway").
P.S. I really do hope I end up with egg on my face; Day9 comes off as quite nice, and it won't be a surprise to me if we see him channel his growing monetary resources into a large-scale event sometime in the future. If anything, he's now quite obligated to do so.
Yeah... I kind of agree, I felt iffy about the whole donations thing I am kind of wondering now how much he makes off of casting major tournaments. I know it's none of my business, but if he was able to live off it before, I'm not quite sure why he is needing donations. I assume he is planning on using his income on projects but it's not stated outright. I think he should have asked for donations for the projects, not so he can order some pizza.
I would imagine he has a better insight into what having the daily sponsored would entail than any of us and if he feels it'd compromise the integrity of it or cut more into his time to do cool stuff (I doubt it'd be as simple as a banner), that's his choice. You can hardly say he's been riding the easy train with all the time put in and it's completely voluntary to donate. That's not the point of the video however, but props for latching on to just that.
It does feel like a lot of people are just sitting around waiting for e-sports to happen (and then complain about how the companies in question are doing it wrong). I like the idea of the community taking a bigger stake in this and if this can be spearheaded by someone with Day's experience and connections, I foresee good things ahead. Can't wait!
On January 10 2011 00:19 schimmetje wrote: It does feel like a lot of people are just sitting around waiting for e-sports to happen (and then complain about how the companies in question are doing it wrong). I like the idea of the community taking a bigger stake in this and if this can be spearheaded by someone with Day's experience and connections, I foresee good things ahead. Can't wait!
On January 09 2011 21:56 Stark1 wrote: Did anyone else just lose a lot of respect for Day9? I'm fine with him taking donations, but when he says he doesn't want fans paying for e-sports then immediately moves on to ask for money, my jimmies get rustled. This from a guy who just got an entire semester of school paid for by the community (at least $2k), and who surely makes decent bank from casting gigs and Ustream adverts.
But, you say, "now he's going to put money he's being given from other sources (back) into e-sports!" This, I imagine, is true. However, all this statement does is distract from the fact that he's now actively begging the community to ease his ride on the gravy train that SC2 is fast becoming (not to mention that "e-sports" may well mean "you all just bought me a trip to -blank- event which I am most likely being paid to attend anyway").
P.S. I really do hope I end up with egg on my face; Day9 comes off as quite nice, and it won't be a surprise to me if we see him channel his growing monetary resources into a large-scale event sometime in the future. If anything, he's now quite obligated to do so.
you're gonna get flak for this but i agree. you can't say you dont expect donations and then ask for them, its a contradiction of terms. That stupidity is the sort of thing that implores all the useless fluffy people on TL to go all watery eyed
You just watched day9 spend 12 minutes asking for your money. Regardless of how you feel about it
On January 10 2011 00:19 schimmetje wrote: It does feel like a lot of people are just sitting around waiting for e-sports to happen (and then complain about how the companies in question are doing it wrong). I like the idea of the community taking a bigger stake in this and if this can be spearheaded by someone with Day's experience and connections, I foresee good things ahead. Can't wait!
No, not really, day[9] and you act like e-sports is about to happen, while we are already in the middle of it.
The last line of akill_ his post basically sums up what this topic is all about (eventho that is kinda crude and i do believe in the sincerity of day[9]).
On January 10 2011 00:42 Technique wrote: No, not really, day[9] and you act like e-sports is about to happen, while we are already in the middle of it.
The last line of akill_ his post basically sums up what this topic is all about (eventho that is kinda crude and i do believe in the sincerity of day[9]).
Yes I agree reading is hard.
You're right akill_ sums up what the thread's mostly about though. Unfortunately it's not what Day was saying he wants to accomplish. If people could get over the donation thing for a second however, they could see the opportunity here. It would serve the community a lot better if the feedback could be steered towards what to do with said opportunity, what people'd want to see and do, than to complain about something that is, again, completely voluntary.
Like you can't do great things if you are sponsored? Take is sponsored (since he works for esl), yet his homestory cups are the #1 event to watch.
Plugging and advertisement are part of every day life, i'm sure no1 will see you as a sell out if you take a sponsorship @day[9]. Just take 1 that gives you enough freedom to do what you want to do, since you probably are in the luxury position to pick with your amount of viewers and status.
just out of curiousity, in what way does day9 refuse to accept sponsorship? because if he does refuse it and alternatively seeks to extract money from the community in order to pay his bills, then that is a direct contradiction to his entire speil about 'allowing money to flow into esports rather than forcing people to pay for it'
On January 10 2011 01:29 NoXious90 wrote: just out of curiousity, in what way does day9 refuse to accept sponsorship? because if he does refuse it and alternatively seeks to extract money from the community in order to pay his bills, then that is a direct contradiction to his entire speil about 'allowing money to flow into esports rather than forcing people to pay for it'
I sort of think the same way, but I feel that it's still a step in the right direction. I would like to see him take a sponsorship of some variety to top it all off.
I'm not quite sure I understand the fear of sponsorships, given that he held the Razer King of the Beta tournament and pushed Razer all throughout. The only thing I can imagine is that the dailies are a lot more informal than a tournament where, in many ways, its about business. However, if the goal is to put more money in to e-sports, then I hope he still has an open mind regarding sponsorships. Regardless to whether or not the donation aspect is appropriate, more money is more money. So long as the show doesn't suffer from "sell-out syndrome" then I'm sure everybody would appreciate and embrace it.
On January 09 2011 21:56 Stark1 wrote: Did anyone else just lose a lot of respect for Day9? I'm fine with him taking donations, but when he says he doesn't want fans paying for e-sports then immediately moves on to ask for money, my jimmies get rustled. This from a guy who just got an entire semester of school paid for by the community (at least $2k), and who surely makes decent bank from casting gigs and Ustream adverts.
But, you say, "now he's going to put money he's being given from other sources (back) into e-sports!" This, I imagine, is true. However, all this statement does is distract from the fact that he's now actively begging the community to ease his ride on the gravy train that SC2 is fast becoming (not to mention that "e-sports" may well mean "you all just bought me a trip to -blank- event which I am most likely being paid to attend anyway").
P.S. I really do hope I end up with egg on my face; Day9 comes off as quite nice, and it won't be a surprise to me if we see him channel his growing monetary resources into a large-scale event sometime in the future. If anything, he's now quite obligated to do so.
Somewhat, I got mixed feelings about this. It makes no sense to say things the way he did. Considering he received a lot of money from fans only a while ago, it makes it look even worse. I'm not going to donate, simply because I almost never donate to anything lol, I'll have faith in day9 though, he looks like a cool guy, and seems to have lots of energy for whatever he's planning.
Deeper into the issue however, I don't know how e-sports will ever fly, if SC2 dies in korea that'd be the nail in the coffin for e-sports around the world, be it in whatever media you want to think of (TV, inet stream, whatever), I don't know, sometimes the dedicated e-sports communities (TL, GG, ESL) fail a little bit in the perspective department, failing to see that beyond them, nobody really cares. Well, maybe that will change in around 10-15 years, I just wouldn't expect it do so anytime soon, since the whole gaming thing carries a rather important stigma attached to it.
On January 10 2011 01:29 NoXious90 wrote: just out of curiousity, in what way does day9 refuse to accept sponsorship? because if he does refuse it and alternatively seeks to extract money from the community in order to pay his bills, then that is a direct contradiction to his entire speil about 'allowing money to flow into esports rather than forcing people to pay for it'
But he's not forcing people to pay for it, its a choice.
I think the reason he refuses sponsership for the Daily is because when you get a regular sponsor it can open a lot of legal issues with contracts and brand exposure time (listen to how often Tasteless and Artosis plug the GSL sponsors for an example), plus he may find he has to do a certain amount of shows to satisfy the criteria of the contract with the sponsors. A regular gig is a lot different than a one-off like the King of the Beta tournament was since its on-going.
I totally donated. If anybody deserves to do what he does full time and not worry about how to pay the rent, and cover all of his expenses, and also buy meat ...
... it's this guy.
Oh, and I didn't read the entire thread. But I know internet people:
To all those who are overanalyzing this and blah blah blah ...
Cheeeeeee-zus. Will you just send the guy $5 or $10 or $20 in appreciation for all of the entertainment, hard work, and honestly just plain good vibes he churns out constantly for your benefit?
On January 10 2011 02:10 Darkong wrote: But he's not forcing people to pay for it, its a choice.
I think the reason he refuses sponsership for the Daily is because when you get a regular sponsor it can open a lot of legal issues with contracts and brand exposure time (listen to how often Tasteless and Artosis plug the GSL sponsors for an example), plus he may find he has to do a certain amount of shows to satisfy the criteria of the contract with the sponsors. A regular gig is a lot different than a one-off like the King of the Beta tournament was since its on-going.
You bring up a good point indeed regarding sponsorship. That might very well be the reason he doesn't like it that much.
I think Day[9] is awesome. For this game and its community for sure. I believe his intention to be true, and find the way of approaching this a good one. He will happily accept any donations, but won't say anything like: "Well Whizon, no donation this month? NO DAILY FOR YOU". For that last part it might be best to imagine the soup nazi from Seinfeld screaming it, for extra effect.
The signal regarding the development/rise of e-sports Day[9] gives, is one that says "we're going to do it together, all of us" (he said something like that literally I believe). If we (read: you) want it to happen, there's a way to contribute. Be it through a donation, or participation of a community project.
Looking at the bigger picture of things, I think the way he picked is the way to go. It's also a kind of check to see how many people within the community are really feeling it at the moment to give e-sports some (more serious) attention. But generally speaking, if you want to create something (good/cool/interesting/etc) for a certain group of people, leaving influence at that group of people is a good way to keep the goal you want to reach realistic. If the group decides it's not worth it, it will fail. In a way this reminds me of politics. Which isn't a good thing per say, but let's not go there!
I find it enjoyable and nice to see how much cool and good stuff Day[9] provides for the SC2 community with his casts. I am very curious about what he has in store for us this year with the projects he mentioned. And even more so as to how SC2 as a game and its community will develop in the future.
For everyone saying he should just accept sponsorship, you're not really thinking about how he probably feels about the issue.
He created the daily and has seen it grow from its infancy, and it seems to me that he doesn't want to have to open with "Welcome to the Day[9] Daily brought to you by Doritos!" or "Welcome to the Pizza Hut Day[9] Daily!" every single day.
If it gets to the point where he'll either have to cancel the daily to support himself or accept sponsorship, I'm sure he'll probably accept sponsorship.
I think a better way to ask for donations would of been to not ask at all and instead to thank the people who gave donations. See Will Wheaton's radio show for example.
On January 09 2011 12:11 WhoDoYouThink wrote: I'm not sure you guys understand the whole deal being him not accepting a sponsorship.
OF COURSE if he accepts one he'll get tons of money. OF COURSE if he gets one it shows progress in the eSports scene.
But Day9 won't do that because he doesn't want eSports to be a game of money - it's a game of entertainment, and interactivity. eSports will be where players and the community interact and have fun, not where the community is kickin' back with a bottle of Coca-Cola.
Personally, I say Day9 should accept the sponsorship. I admire, adore, and hope to aspire to him for taking the community over the money. It's an amazing feat that everyone person hope they can do.
That's what I got out of his State of the Union.
I don't really feel up to writing a 100+ page report on why sponsors are essential to e-sports, but I will comment that this whole notion that "Day[9] doesn't want e-sports to be a game of money" sounds better on paper than it does in practicality.
If you remove sponsors from e-sports, you simply don't have e-sports and, in reality, you don't really have shows like the Day[9] Daily existing for very long. Day[9] (and his cronies) seems to think that involving a sponsor somehow decreases the integrity or credibility of the show. It seems to be a consistent theme that he expresses and I have to say...that speaks to his lack of experience with sponsors, brands, and how effective marketing actually works within new media platforms.
Just as an example: 9 out of the 10 most recent blockbusters you've seen have probably had some form of product placement in them. You probably don't recall what they were now, but when watching the movie you may have noticed the "GEICO" logo on the wall behind the actor or the fact the camera zoomed into that Mountain Dew bottle for some reason. If done properly, it's very easy to incorporate a sponsor's messaging/products without hindering the quality and integrity of the program. It's not as black and white as Day[9] and his avid viewers seem to imply.
I'm sure I could continue on this, but I would need much more space and time to do so. I hope this helps you understand a bit more of how you can actually have both a community interacting and having fun and a community kickin' back with a bottle of Coca-Cola at the same time without conflict.
I am for sure going to donate... but i dont see why he doesnt take sponsors. Its not selling out. When i watch anyother sport ANY other sport the ads are in my face 100% of the time. If we want the money flowing into esports.... ads in our face are the way to go, and i am ok with that.
On January 10 2011 03:43 betaV1.25 wrote: I am for sure going to donate... but i dont see why he doesnt take sponsors. Its not selling out. When i watch anyother sport ANY other sport the ads are in my face 100% of the time. If we want the money flowing into esports.... ads in our face are the way to go, and i am ok with that.
It's not selling out, but some of their requirements or what they want when they sponsor may deter the quality of his stream or generally just be too much.
On January 10 2011 03:43 betaV1.25 wrote: I am for sure going to donate... but i dont see why he doesnt take sponsors. Its not selling out. When i watch anyother sport ANY other sport the ads are in my face 100% of the time. If we want the money flowing into esports.... ads in our face are the way to go, and i am ok with that.
I think his mentality is more like, he'd rather give us the choice of whether or not to donate instead of forcing us to have ads thrown at us. He wants to keep the control in the hands of the community.
On January 09 2011 04:31 mufin wrote: People need to do more then throwing money at Sean and expecting him to carry esports. Getting involved in the community and starting your own projects is 100 times more effective then paying Sean's electric bill. Thats where JP started with SotG, thats where Sean started with his daily, and countless others who are well known in the community.
Some people have more money than time. It's much easier for me to drop $1,000 into Day9's bank account than it is to spend 100 hours on my own esports projects. It's also much cheaper to boot since I own my own business and time is money. I also expect Sean will put it to good use in ways I never could, just because he has such a huge following already.
Not everyone who plays SC2 is a broke college kid. Some of us are overloaded on time commitment but can easily help pay to help promote our favorite pastime.
Well said. People are good at projecting their own situation upon everyone. I agree that those of us who have more time to give than money could best serve in that fashion, and simply throwing money at a problem doesn't help unless someone is willing to give of their time...
But Sean is. "Throwing" money at him will give him the ability to devote his workday hours to this project, rather than having to promote SC2 in his free time, when he's not working. That's a steep mountain for anyone to climb, much less have some random job on the side at the same time. Furthermore, if he gets so much money he can't spend it in a lifetime, perhaps he can "hire" more people for their time to devote to this (Not that I feel he should spend it how I tell him to, of course, he can do it however it works for him, so long as he helps e-sports happen, even if spent on mental sanity endeavors such as a trip to the Carribean to "idea-ate" :p ). Yes, we can "throw" money at this. However, not to diminish Muffin's point, we should also volunteer time where we can, but rather than argue on the optimal route to making our goals reality, let's agree to do what's optimal for each of us, on an individual basis, whether it be participating, devoting time, denotaing, etc.
On January 10 2011 03:29 REM.ca wrote: I think a better way to ask for donations would of been to not ask at all and instead to thank the people who gave donations. See Will Wheaton's radio show for example.
I think you are being a needless dick to perhaps the greatest member of the SC2 community. Either donate or don't, but stop nitpicking Day9's 100% justified and understandable donation "request".
'm not quite sure I understand the fear of sponsorships, given that he held the Razer King of the Beta tournament and pushed Razer all throughout. The only thing I can imagine is that the dailies are a lot more informal than a tournament where, in many ways, its about business. However, if the goal is to put more money in to e-sports, then I hope he still has an open mind regarding sponsorships. Regardless to whether or not the donation aspect is appropriate, more money is more money. So long as the show doesn't suffer from "sell-out syndrome" then I'm sure everybody would appreciate and embrace it.
Well, "sell-out syndrome" is nice and vague, huh. Nice advice, haha.
People complained connnnstantly about Day9's constant plugging of Razer and Razer's gear during the tournament. There was tons of ragging on him every time he stopped to plug Razer shit. It's not like everybody just accepted it. There was tons of arguing about it, and people had to make the point that it's a TOURNAMENT, so there would be no prize money without Razer.
At the end of the day, this community is anti-advertising, and accepting a sponsorship would cause a lot of debate about whether he's selling out or not. That, in itself, is bad for his image. You have people hating on him now just for asking for donations! Can you believe these people?
So this is a smart thing for him to do. Stop thinking and give him money.
On January 09 2011 21:56 Stark1 wrote: Did anyone else just lose a lot of respect for Day9? I'm fine with him taking donations, but when he says he doesn't want fans paying for e-sports then immediately moves on to ask for money, my jimmies get rustled. This from a guy who just got an entire semester of school paid for by the community (at least $2k), and who surely makes decent bank from casting gigs and Ustream adverts.
But, you say, "now he's going to put money he's being given from other sources (back) into e-sports!" This, I imagine, is true. However, all this statement does is distract from the fact that he's now actively begging the community to ease his ride on the gravy train that SC2 is fast becoming (not to mention that "e-sports" may well mean "you all just bought me a trip to -blank- event which I am most likely being paid to attend anyway").
P.S. I really do hope I end up with egg on my face; Day9 comes off as quite nice, and it won't be a surprise to me if we see him channel his growing monetary resources into a large-scale event sometime in the future. If anything, he's now quite obligated to do so.
He spent maybe a minute of that 12 minute segment about taking donations, he spent like 5x more time about people and their time/ability to expand things. If you dont want to donate but have a skill you can offer, try and utilize that skill.
Are you a good organizer? Do you know people? Contact Day9, see if hes got an idea that you can help him with. Can you make epic fan videos and help try to make SC2 and/or esports more popular? Can you get a list of companies that are willing to sponsor events? Maybe you are a good writer and want to write a fan column, or write a letter to TV stations to try and convince them that they can and should air SC2/esports. Hell, maybe you can just convince a few more people around you to try out watching esports, explain to them what is going on and get them hooked. There are tons more things in which people can do to help SC2/esports/day9/everybody, and it would just require your time. These are the things in which day9 spoke of way way way more than he spoke of donations. Donations are there so that he can further utilize his time. If he doesnt have to work to stay alive, he can invest more of his time to help promote/organize whatever.
I didnt read all posts, so sorry if this was allready noticed. The picture in OP, the letter J on the keyboard has a star around it, maybe this has something to do with the "number J"episode? Just thought it was funny and maybe coincidental
"Stop thinking and give him money"? Sorry, no. To both commands. I really can't understand why Day9 is some sort higher individual who will lead us into the promised land. He's a good caster, for sure, and the dailies are good (although I'm far too busy to watch them, usually). I can't see why he deserves donations to do things that are basically serving his own interests as much as they are those of esports. He's not some monk with an alms bowl who only eats before noon and then spends the rest of the day meditating on proper drone timing.
He's a business-man and a brand. Get an agent. Get paid well for casting tournaments. Coach for three hundred bucks an hour. Go be a success! Day9 does not need to martyr himself or live on ramen so that esports can get big, because it getting big will ultimately enrich a lot of people. I hope he's one of them. I cannot see why he needs my five bucks to get there, though. Other people have climbed the ladder without asking for handouts, he should, too.
Day[9] himself doesn't realize exactly how important he is for SC and how high he will go. He will do a lot for the community. And if you don't want to donate, just don't donate.
I almost wonder on the sponsor thing, if he can't get a lower key deal, where instead of having to plug his sponsors, his replay time bar thing mentions them. Or he puts a poster up in the background. How much would you pay Day9 to have your poster up in the background of his dailies?
On January 10 2011 21:26 Naftali wrote: "Stop thinking and give him money"? Sorry, no. To both commands. I really can't understand why Day9 is some sort higher individual who will lead us into the promised land. He's a good caster, for sure, and the dailies are good (although I'm far too busy to watch them, usually). I can't see why he deserves donations to do things that are basically serving his own interests as much as they are those of esports. He's not some monk with an alms bowl who only eats before noon and then spends the rest of the day meditating on proper drone timing.
He's a business-man and a brand. Get an agent. Get paid well for casting tournaments. Coach for three hundred bucks an hour. Go be a success! Day9 does not need to martyr himself or live on ramen so that esports can get big, because it getting big will ultimately enrich a lot of people. I hope he's one of them. I cannot see why he needs my five bucks to get there, though. Other people have climbed the ladder without asking for handouts, he should, too.
Then don't donate. Save your lectures.
He deserves donations because he deserves to be compensated for what he does. It's not a hand-out; it's a voluntary payment for services. E-sports is not big yet, and the money definitely just isn't quite there for a Day[9]. "Get paid well" is hilllarious advice, btw.
If you don't want to, don't. But don't expect us to buy your weird bootstraps ideologue reasoning for it.
Forget the naysayers!!! E-sports outside of Korea will happen and Day9 is leading the charge!!! Just look at the Reddit event that happened yesterday, just an amazing experience!!! All the people saying sc2 is dead are wrong. Also during weapon of choice djwheat and chill talked about this and i totally agree with them!!
The ideal side of me says, yeah you're being a sellout, you're asking for money for simple living expenses claiming that is going straight to e-sports, when really, its not. But the realistic side of me says, yeah hes just being human and I don't blame him for asking for money. As he states in the video, the donations hes gotten helped pay off his student loans (which if I recall he goes to USC grad school, and as a USC alum I can say it costs an exorbitant amount of money) so why not ask for more?
He's in a "business" that can almost disappear overnight depending on whats holding the interest of gamers at the time. So why not ask for more money when you know you can get it? I think it was a bit much that half the video was basically him asking for money though of course he kept adding the qualifier "but of course you don't have to." I also find it ironic he asks for money and claims he turns down sponsors, yet he sits there with a JINX sweatshirt on over his usual outfit.
To me this was quite inspiring and I really hope Sean (along with the community of course) comes up with a solid way to make esports happen. As for myself, I feel I would more likely donate money once it is directed to a more concrete objective, when some projects get in the works.
eSports is here, it's up to the community to make it known to those not alreaedy aware and to grow it. In the Americas MLG will be the vessel it seems(but not the only one), people need to show up, stream it and support it just like viewers support GSL.
Sean is a genuinely good person, we are lucky to have him supporting eSports and SC2 in general. The growth potential for this is crazy. He hasn't done adverts like he could have already, which says a lot about him. He could have easily sold out to a company and had "Buy xxxx gear it will make your game better" beneath his layover to cover costs, but instead he has not sold out and I am happy for that.
On January 11 2011 02:08 sas01 wrote: Forget the naysayers!!! E-sports outside of Korea will happen and Day9 is leading the charge!!! Just look at the Reddit event that happened yesterday, just an amazing experience!!! All the people saying sc2 is dead are wrong. Also during weapon of choice djwheat and chill talked about this and i totally agree with them!!
Exactly what reddit showed yesterday proved how popular SC2 is ! There was a whopping 14k viewers watching at it's highest when i was on ! That's pretty crazy when you think about it especially compared to a normal club football match here in Denmark when my team plays theres ca. 10+ sitting in the stadium i'm amazed to think that the count is more when watchint Sc2
Money makes the world go round. Whether it be tournaments needing sponsors to have the cash to operate, or a person putting all their time into creating content for us needing cash for food, cash is needed. It's not inherently evil, though a lot of you seem to think it is.
People are far too sensitive about money because they lack the ability to discern a genuine appeal from a self-interested one. As for me, I can spare coffee-muffin-donut meal, pack a lunch, and ferry the five dollars to something I care about.
although i think that it would be in everyone's best interest for day9 to start doing whatever small things he can to get some more money to put into esports. for instance, switching to justin.tv. they pay a good amount of money to people with a lot of viewers, and i don't think anyone would mind sitting through a commercial or two at the beginning and end of ever daily if it helped to bring in more money for his projects.
and i don't think he should worry too much about sponsors if they don't get in the way.
esports is still a growing business, and i think that if he wants to accelerate the growth, he's going to need to accept as much money as he can without "selling out"
football is as big as he says it is because the NFL accepts sponsors that pay for things. if he is unwilling to accept sponsors, it will really restrict the flow of money.
I am sure there will be more than enough donation for sean to support living hood. However i felt accept a sponsor for the show will be more stable. Other than donation is more than any sponsor has offered, I can't think of other reason not have a sponsor for the show.
People are allowed to do what they want, but I personally dont understand why you should donate to Day9. I mean its not like you donate so that he can focus more time on this, you donate so that he can eat food. And its just funny that he say no to sponsors and then ask the community kids for cash.
There are alot of people who do a shit tone of work for esports. To say that Day9 is more important or deserv it more is just to piss on all those other people.
Day9 is good, he has made a name out of himself. He should have no problem getting money to help esport get better, without having to ask the community for cash.
It's time Blizzard open their eyes for Day9 and realize what he's done for the game and how he's been (and continues to be) a fantastic ambassador not only for e-sports in general, but for starcraft 2 in particular. I wonder how much of Blizzard's income that can be directly attributed to what day9 has done. If anything, Blizzard should sustain him with a reasonable monthly salary. If that happened, combined with sponsorships, the donations would just be a bonus, and not a requirement.
@Purpose If you don't want to donate it's fine, no one has any right to hold that against you. And this is not about Day9 being a more important human being than anyone else, but it's literally impossible to ignore all the work and effort he has put into this.
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I think TL and it's community and sponsors are already well on their way to helping Esports grow and I hope that Day9 at the forefront can spread the word that Esports is something that should be enjoyed by the masses but also taken seriously.
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