On January 01 2011 23:33 EnderCraft wrote: I dont know if anyone read of all huskys post's. However, husky revealed a key piece of information. Idra thought husky rigged his HDH tournament therefore facilitating his loss. Im not surprised Idra would think that since he tends to blame everything else but himself when he loses a big game.
He complained when he lost to zenith, whitera and many others. Honestly, its his biggest flaw. Both in his character, and as a progamer. Idra is an amazing player. But honestly if he cant accept the fact that someone outmatched him in a game of starcraft when he loses. Hes going to have a real hard time learning from his mistakes in the long run.
Idra thought zerg was broken when starcraft 2 was released. He thought it was simply impossible for any Zerg to win a high profile tournament like the GSL. However, the 1st two seasons were won by Zergs. Proving that Zerg was indeed powerful, and a capable contender.
If i was a progamer, and i certainly am not. Even if I played a race that was blatantly underpowered, I still wouldnt try making a living with Idra's attitude. Attitudes alone in my opinion can make or break a player. Saying something is impossible to achieve, especially when your trying to achieve it, is a huge mental barrier.
I believe it is when a true progamer looks beyond those mental barriers that they can achieve anything. Just look at fruit dealer, and nestea. Even through adversity. They still strived to be the best player's in the world and actually got it in the end. Even when everyone thought the odds were stacked against them. They still rose to the occasion and won it all.
Sorry if this was extremely OT. But this was just my 2 cents.
idra was completly right zerg were broken, 3 range roaches mass reapers economy build? Don't know if u actually watched gsl season 1.....but i can promise you zerg got buttfucked fruitdealer was a CLEAR cut above eveyone else since beta, that is why he won gsl 1 , and nestea won gsl 2 because zerg got a buff that the other races hadn't adapted to yet.
MVP just 1/2 week ago 5-0 the best 5 zergs in korea (beat them 10-1) is mvp That much better then everyzerg in the world that they can watch exactly what hes doing and still lose to it remember he won 9 straight games using pretty much the same build with all the zergs watching exactly what he does...
Is mvp that much better then everyone? no was it a lucky day? maybe Did zerg just develop faster due to there limited options ? most likely.
I mean if your job was getting kicked in the leg for a living, then the guy kicking you in the leg decided to put a 10kg weight in his boot wouldn't you be a bit pissed? I'm not saying there is a imbalance just recenetly all the results have looked fishy as hell, 85+% of finals have a terran in there somewhere that i have seen, im sure the precent could be higher..
I can assure you im pretty sure there is no mental barrier for idra nothing is really holding him back, he is widely conciderd the best forigner for a reason. Times are just very tough as a zerg player... as the protoss and terran builds get more refined theres more timings you need to know about, etc
I mean this is exactly what idra was talking about, zerg won 2 gsl, practically NOTHING ELSE since the game came out, he wished fruitdealer hadn't won that gsl just for these opinions on the zerg race, remember zerg got buffed hugely, and are still not winning tournaments and struggling hard.
But i don't really care im not even at the level where imbalance plays a factor in my mind, its all about if i improve enough i will beat the players around me, where at there level its like no matter how much i improve i still can't suddenly scout what kind of all-in hes doing... "i can see 1 base, i know hes going to all-in me but with what?"
Mabye i will be proved wrong in the near future with zerg suddenly exploding with new strats but i don't see that happening to a reactive race.
On January 01 2011 06:26 ditkaordie wrote: i played BW but never well... i now play sc2 still not well... i began watching husky videos, which lead me to Team Liquid (he loves TL and promotes them often), which lead me to day 9, which lead me to SOTG, which lead me to GSL and EG masters cup etc etc.... so yes idra.... i am proof that husky helps further not only the sc2 community but the prize pools in Idra's tourneys... maybe he's been in korea a bit too long to realize the impact Husky, HD, and Day9 have had on the North American Starcraft community.... while husky may not make the viewer better he sure keeps them interested in the game... hes the chris berman of starcraft where day9 is like bobby knight... both incredible speakers and great at keeping the audiences attention while berman does it with style and knight does it with info
(god espn needs to have more segments with bobby knight)
Day9 isn't like Bobby Knight. Basically for espn Analysts, this is how it goes.
Idra: Bobby Knight Day 9: Hube Brown DJ Wheat: Mike Tirico Tasteless: Erin Andrews Artosis: Dicky V Incontrol: Charles Barkley Husky: Berman
Day9 breaks things down the same way... idra is more like james harrison hating on the NFL for the new fines
day9 - bobby knight husky - berman idra - any pro athlete fighting against the system dj wheat - scott van pelt tasteless - mike greenberg artosis - mike golic
Im not the biggest fan of bobby knight, but i agree with husky/idra/tasteless/artosis. But Wheat is so Mike Tirico its not even funny,
And this community likes to believe we are "better" than the WoW community we often like to bash and distance ourselves from? This thread proves otherwise
Do you know why Day9 is on blip.tv? Becuase he can make some extra money off the ads there, does that make the beloved (on TL.net at least) a bad guy? No, neither does it make Husky.
Both Artosis and Tasteless draw a paycheck by doing GSL, they love the game but they also need to get paid, as does Husky.
I dont know Greg Fields personally but i am pretty sure his ass would be on the first plane home had GSL not offered the biggest cashprize in competitive SC2, he isent there for the culture, and that goes for every foreigner there.
Nothing wrong with making money off something you love and enjoy, but apperrantly only certain members of this community are "allowed" to do so, Sean Plott isent going to cast your tournament unless he gets paid, thats not greed, thats him being smart.
The guy made a 3 minute ish video, no its not suppose to give you the "gay" its suppose to parody the boybands from the late 90's, its suppose to be funny, if you dont find it funny why not just say you did not enjoy the video?
And no i am not even a subscriber of Husky, i dont even have a account on Youtube, i have watched 4 of his videos in total, so dont even go with the "fanboy" argument that holds no water.
And what does this say about the community if someone wants to contribute? You get called a "homo" for it and bashed, even by a progamer who cant see the irony of it all
I think that this was pretty damn terrible to be honest, loved the banelings song but this.. I don't even know why people say they like it unless it's purely because it has something to do with starcraft in the lyrics, and husky is in it.. Which is pretty damn feeble.
On January 02 2011 00:10 Tyree wrote: And this community likes to believe we are "better" than the WoW community we often like to bash and distance ourselves from? This thread proves otherwise
Do you know why Day9 is on blip.tv? Becuase he can make some extra money off the ads there, does that make the beloved (on TL.net at least) a bad guy? No, neither does it make Husky.
Both Artosis and Tasteless draw a paycheck by doing GSL, they love the game but they also need to get paid, as does Husky.
I dont know Greg Fields personally but i am pretty sure his ass would be on the first plane home had GSL not offered the biggest cashprize in competitive SC2, he isent there for the culture, and that goes for every foreigner there.
Nothing wrong with making money off something you love and enjoy, but apperrantly only certain members of this community are "allowed" to do so, Sean Plott isent going to cast your tournament unless he gets paid, thats not greed, thats him being smart.
The guy made a 3 minute ish video, no its not suppose to give you the "gay" its suppose to parody the boybands from the late 90's, its suppose to be funny, if you dont find it funny why not just say you did not enjoy the video?
And no i am not even a subscriber of Husky, i dont even have a account on Youtube, i have watched 4 of his videos in total, so dont even go with the "fanboy" argument that holds no water.
And what does this say about the community if someone wants to contribute? You get called a "homo" for it and bashed, even by a progamer who cant see the irony of it all
Comparing day9 who litrally helped guys from copper to 2500+ (me being one of these players) diamond to husky who commentates to entertain people is pretty wrong. Sure husky contributes but day9 is a cornerstone of our community, he just won pc gamer of the year because of his contributions. Its like comparing American football to rugby, they are just two diffrent sports all together. Not saying one is better then the other, but they work in very diffrent fields, day9 is like that guru you always wanted to have as a teacher, and husky is like that friend you always love watching football with.
jokes are supposed to be funny, thats what makes them jokes, this is not funny sir
How it's even possible that there are people on the planet that still don't understand the entirely subjective nature of humour, is something our finest minds and best science will never properly decipher.
This video is a fantastic troll to all the homophobic teenage gamers. That alone makes it worthy of praise. The sheer amount of freaking out and rage on Youtube is already hilarious.
How's it even possible that you don't understand that just because you find it funny, doesn't mean everyone else will think the same. In my honest opinion of this video, i had to cringe because it was borderline homosexual.
Oh and your the all knowing voice of the SC2 community? I was not aware...
TB once went on a great rant on blueplz about the vocal minority in the WoW community. This also seems to apply here...
Are you a retard? When did i say that i'm speaking for behalf of the community? I said "in my honest opinion".. How about you read people's posts before your embarrass yourself, you idiot.
On January 01 2011 23:33 EnderCraft wrote: I dont know if anyone read of all huskys post's. However, husky revealed a key piece of information. Idra thought husky rigged his HDH tournament therefore facilitating his loss. Im not surprised Idra would think that since he tends to blame everything else but himself when he loses a big game.
He complained when he lost to zenith, whitera and many others. Honestly, its his biggest flaw. Both in his character, and as a progamer. Idra is an amazing player. But honestly if he cant accept the fact that someone outmatched him in a game of starcraft when he loses. Hes going to have a real hard time learning from his mistakes in the long run.
Idra thought zerg was broken when starcraft 2 was released. He thought it was simply impossible for any Zerg to win a high profile tournament like the GSL. However, the 1st two seasons were won by Zergs. Proving that Zerg was indeed powerful, and a capable contender.
If i was a progamer, and i certainly am not. Even if I played a race that was blatantly underpowered, I still wouldnt try making a living with Idra's attitude. Attitudes alone in my opinion can make or break a player. Saying something is impossible to achieve, especially when your trying to achieve it, is a huge mental barrier.
I believe it is when a true progamer looks beyond those mental barriers that they can achieve anything. Just look at fruit dealer, and nestea. Even through adversity. They still strived to be the best player's in the world and actually got it in the end. Even when everyone thought the odds were stacked against them. They still rose to the occasion and won it all.
Sorry if this was extremely OT. But this was just my 2 cents.
idra was completly right zerg were broken, 3 range roaches mass reapers economy build? Don't know if u actually watched gsl season 1.....but i can promise you zerg got buttfucked fruitdealer was a CLEAR cut above eveyone else since beta, that is why he won gsl 1 , and nestea won gsl 2 because zerg got a buff that the other races hadn't adapted to yet.
MVP just 1/2 week ago 5-0 the best 5 zergs in korea (beat them 10-1) is mvp That much better then everyzerg in the world that they can watch exactly what hes doing and still lose to it remember he won 9 straight games using pretty much the same build with all the zergs watching exactly what he does...
Is mvp that much better then everyone? no was it a lucky day? maybe Did zerg just develop faster due to there limited options ? most likely.
I mean if your job was getting kicked in the leg for a living, then the guy kicking you in the leg decided to put a 10kg weight in his boot wouldn't you be a bit pissed? I'm not saying there is a imbalance just recenetly all the results have looked fishy as hell, 85+% of finals have a terran in there somewhere that i have seen, im sure the precent could be higher..
I can assure you im pretty sure there is no mental barrier for idra nothing is really holding him back, he is widely conciderd the best forigner for a reason. Times are just very tough as a zerg player... as the protoss and terran builds get more refined theres more timings you need to know about, etc
I mean this is exactly what idra was talking about, zerg won 2 gsl, practically NOTHING ELSE since the game came out, he wished fruitdealer hadn't won that gsl just for these opinions on the zerg race, remember zerg got buffed hugely, and are still not winning tournaments and struggling hard.
But i don't really care im not even at the level where imbalance plays a factor in my mind, its all about if i improve enough i will beat the players around me, where at there level its like no matter how much i improve i still can't suddenly scout what kind of all-in hes doing... "i can see 1 base, i know hes going to all-in me but with what?"
Mabye i will be proved wrong in the near future with zerg suddenly exploding with new strats but i don't see that happening to a reactive race.
Then be more like a nestea or a fruit dealer... If your a progamer and you tell your self. "I can never be like fruit dealer" that is a mental barrier. That is the mind set of those who will never be the top players...
If your doing this for a living and you want to be the best of the best. You must have the attitude that you can be like a fruit dealer, or a nestea. Otherwise, you will never reach their level if you never think you can in the first place...
Thats what set's the fruitdealers from the idras... They don't say they cant achieve, they just go right ahead and achieve it anyway. Regardless of what the critics are saying.
I agree with all the points you (Tyree) made, and for the record I found the video to be a great parody, very funny, very entertaining.
On January 02 2011 00:10 Tyree wrote: Nothing wrong with making money off something you love and enjoy, but apperrantly only certain members of this community are "allowed" to do so, Sean Plott isent going to cast your tournament unless he gets paid, thats not greed, thats him being smart.
On this, I'd like to add a few words:
Starcraft, along with a host of other games, is no longer just a game. If esports are ever to emerge and solidify as an element of our culture, they need a tiny bit of professionalism and courtesy in them. Yes, in the past we watched streamed games - no, streamed tournaments without even commentary. Yes, some people offered to cast those simply because they could do it, simply because they liked it and wanted to offer that extra bit of enjoyment to the community. It's no longer like that. If they (Day9, DJ Wheat, anybody else) wants to commentate just for the heck of it, ask them nicely and they'll do it - they're more crazy about this game than you even think.
But please; if you're going to ask them to fly over the Atlantic to cast a 2-day tournament, or to leave their studies aside for a bit to cast your Open, or whatever, don't you think the least you have to do is reward, nay, compensate the guy for his dedication? his professionalism? his efforts to learn what the fuck ZvZ is about so he won't spout crap during the cast? his fucking travel expenses, even?
If not, then you're just either a greedy bastard or uninformed of how the world works.
PS. And no, I'm not going to argue whether asking people to put effort into something should go unrewarded; in cash or otherwise.
On January 01 2011 23:33 EnderCraft wrote: I dont know if anyone read of all huskys post's. However, husky revealed a key piece of information. Idra thought husky rigged his HDH tournament therefore facilitating his loss. Im not surprised Idra would think that since he tends to blame everything else but himself when he loses a big game.
He complained when he lost to zenith, whitera and many others. Honestly, its his biggest flaw. Both in his character, and as a progamer. Idra is an amazing player. But honestly if he cant accept the fact that someone outmatched him in a game of starcraft when he loses. Hes going to have a real hard time learning from his mistakes in the long run.
Idra thought zerg was broken when starcraft 2 was released. He thought it was simply impossible for any Zerg to win a high profile tournament like the GSL. However, the 1st two seasons were won by Zergs. Proving that Zerg was indeed powerful, and a capable contender.
If i was a progamer, and i certainly am not. Even if I played a race that was blatantly underpowered, I still wouldnt try making a living with Idra's attitude. Attitudes alone in my opinion can make or break a player. Saying something is impossible to achieve, especially when your trying to achieve it, is a huge mental barrier.
I believe it is when a true progamer looks beyond those mental barriers that they can achieve anything. Just look at fruit dealer, and nestea. Even through adversity. They still strived to be the best player's in the world and actually got it in the end. Even when everyone thought the odds were stacked against them. They still rose to the occasion and won it all.
Sorry if this was extremely OT. But this was just my 2 cents.
idra was completly right zerg were broken, 3 range roaches mass reapers economy build? Don't know if u actually watched gsl season 1.....but i can promise you zerg got buttfucked fruitdealer was a CLEAR cut above eveyone else since beta, that is why he won gsl 1 , and nestea won gsl 2 because zerg got a buff that the other races hadn't adapted to yet.
MVP just 1/2 week ago 5-0 the best 5 zergs in korea (beat them 10-1) is mvp That much better then everyzerg in the world that they can watch exactly what hes doing and still lose to it remember he won 9 straight games using pretty much the same build with all the zergs watching exactly what he does...
Is mvp that much better then everyone? no was it a lucky day? maybe Did zerg just develop faster due to there limited options ? most likely.
I mean if your job was getting kicked in the leg for a living, then the guy kicking you in the leg decided to put a 10kg weight in his boot wouldn't you be a bit pissed? I'm not saying there is a imbalance just recenetly all the results have looked fishy as hell, 85+% of finals have a terran in there somewhere that i have seen, im sure the precent could be higher..
I can assure you im pretty sure there is no mental barrier for idra nothing is really holding him back, he is widely conciderd the best forigner for a reason. Times are just very tough as a zerg player... as the protoss and terran builds get more refined theres more timings you need to know about, etc
I mean this is exactly what idra was talking about, zerg won 2 gsl, practically NOTHING ELSE since the game came out, he wished fruitdealer hadn't won that gsl just for these opinions on the zerg race, remember zerg got buffed hugely, and are still not winning tournaments and struggling hard.
But i don't really care im not even at the level where imbalance plays a factor in my mind, its all about if i improve enough i will beat the players around me, where at there level its like no matter how much i improve i still can't suddenly scout what kind of all-in hes doing... "i can see 1 base, i know hes going to all-in me but with what?"
Mabye i will be proved wrong in the near future with zerg suddenly exploding with new strats but i don't see that happening to a reactive race.
Then be more like a nestea or a fruit dealer... If your a progamer and you tell your self. "I can never be like fruit dealer" that is a mental barrier. That is the mind set of those who will never be the top players...
If your doing this for a living and you want to be the best of the best. You must have the attitude that you can be like a fruit dealer, or a nestea. Otherwise, you will never reach their level if you never think you can in the first place...
Thats what set's the fruitdealers from the idras... They don't say they cant achieve, they just go right ahead and achieve it anyway. Regardless of what the critics are saying.
Actually fruitdealer made some big huge post crying he is only winning 10% of his ZvT's And that the race is imba etc, So i think that pretty much denys anything you said,
Something i hate is that when players "think" just because you are angry, just because you are outspoken to feel something is unfair, that you actually try less, i feel it makes me try even fucking harder, idra has a winning personality, he can't handle defeat .. what does that mean? Well hes going to try his hardest to not be defeated.
I will be playing with my 2v2 partner and raging at him for not closing his supply depot, and he will talk like iv suddenly not putting in 100% into the game, which in turn makes me even more annoyed becuase even tho i get pissed at something say its unfair etc, i don't stop trying. Think of it like that GG where the guy says "GG" then keeps playing till he is 100% lost.
haha video was not bad. not exactly kickass like banelings but i appreciate the effort and intention!
and it's surprising that IdrA thought Husky rigged the map pool in HDH 1 to favour White-Ra. Anyone remember what were the maps exactly? That was some serious accusation. Although with all the accusations at GSL i guess the community is immune to these kind of things. Seemed like quite a venomous comment though.
That, and adding that Husky does his things PURELY for money. Idra really got a beef with him and unless IdrA really really knows Husky well, i don't see how that kind of comment can be defended :S
Anyway making money is not mutually exclusive with passion and doing things you love. More power to Husky and his community!
I thought the video was alright. Then again, I also thought Banelings was alright as well. To be honest, neither video is really my humour, but I can't help but respect the fact that it's creative and of excellent quality either way.
This thread has far too much drama for a thread about a song parody.
On December 31 2010 11:03 Rialz wrote: Well i enjoyed the video, but i think that Husky is diverting too much from the actual SC2 scene and pretty much doing anything for fame, not for the love of the community.
Ya kidding? He does this because he loves the SC2 community. He could have spent the time and the budget just plowing out commentaries to pay the bills, not making charity songs.
Haters gon' hate.
Yeah he loves the community so much that he begs for subscribes and sells the song on itunes. He is doing it for the money and the starcraft community is a tool to get money faster, funny that you say he could make commentaries instead of "funny videos" - no skilled player watches his stuff anyway...
On December 31 2010 11:03 Rialz wrote: Well i enjoyed the video, but i think that Husky is diverting too much from the actual SC2 scene and pretty much doing anything for fame, not for the love of the community.
Ya kidding? He does this because he loves the SC2 community. He could have spent the time and the budget just plowing out commentaries to pay the bills, not making charity songs.
Haters gon' hate.
Yeah he loves the community so much that he begs for subscribes and sells the song on itunes. He is doing it for the money and the starcraft community is a tool to get money faster, funny that you say he could make commentaries instead of "funny videos" - no skilled player watches his stuff anyway...
Who doesn't want their content to be spread to more people? To spread the thing they love? If he were doing it for the money, why did he commentate in Brood War when there was ZERO money?
On December 31 2010 11:03 Rialz wrote: Well i enjoyed the video, but i think that Husky is diverting too much from the actual SC2 scene and pretty much doing anything for fame, not for the love of the community.
Ya kidding? He does this because he loves the SC2 community. He could have spent the time and the budget just plowing out commentaries to pay the bills, not making charity songs.
Haters gon' hate.
Yeah he loves the community so much that he begs for subscribes and sells the song on itunes. He is doing it for the money and the starcraft community is a tool to get money faster, funny that you say he could make commentaries instead of "funny videos" - no skilled player watches his stuff anyway...
You can love something and still make money from it. It doesn't have to be black or white. Progamers love starcraft and make money from sponsors.
I for one am glad some people, who are not good enough to be pros, can still make money from something they love (Starcraft).
Also correct me if i'm wrong but didn't Day9 ask for donations a few months ago? No one called him out on it, and right fully so. Why cant he get a few bucks for something he spends a lot of personal time doing.
Stop the hate. Don't like it, don't subscribe. No one is putting a gun on our heads and making us do it.
It's funny how every thread seems to get turned into an IdrA bashing thread. I thought this was about Husky's song (which imo isn't that funny but I appreciate the effort) and now it's about how IdrA SUPPOSEDLY thought that a tournament was rigged. When someone does something positive for the community its never a bad thing but honestly when i've recently visited hd and husky's site I've noticed that HD was the only one casting games for the most part. But that's his business he can make all the sc2 songs he wants to. I also don't see him going around claiming hes some great ambassador for sc2 so I don't know why people are getting upset and defensive when people question his motives.
Damn you Husky for being one of the most successful SC2 commentators in the world. DAMN YOU TO HELL.
Saying Husky has no talent is the STUPIDEST THING I've ever heard. Yeah, sure IdrA can beat him at Starcraft 2 and Brood War with his eyes closed but GUESS WHAT SIR he's an entertainer not a progamer and he's damn good at what he does.
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