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Starcraft 2: A Complete Waste of Time or Good For - Page 3

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B-Wong
Profile Joined October 2010
United States240 Posts
December 23 2010 02:24 GMT
#41
Hm, I feel quite the same. I feel that anything that makes you happy is not a waste of time. The way I think is "would you rather... or...". Of course there are lines to be drawn (i.e. would you rather play some SC2 or go do your homework. While you play Sc2 you're happy for that moment but neglecting your homework will grieve you with greater drawbacks (getting bad grades)) but if you can do something without fear of something else that may have very negative repercussions, then do so. Happiness is the juice of life.
Boxxer
Profile Joined December 2010
83 Posts
December 23 2010 02:27 GMT
#42
If you play sc2 ladder to get really good, the amount of time it takes really I would say it's a hobby, so treat it like a hobby.
wrenchpicker
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada20 Posts
December 23 2010 02:30 GMT
#43
It really depends on "What is a waste of time or not"

For example, What is the difference between solving a puzzle in zelda and solving a simple match equation in real life

But some games don't have "Puzzles" lots of ones for example Call of duty doesnt have puzzles, just a shoot and kill them game, kids these days play Halo and call of duty and all these other games which actually dont have much to them, Whats the difference between shooting a man in Call of duty and solving a simple math equation in real life? basically everything!

But of course this does not apply to ALL of the games, but it basically applies to "Popular Games" Nowadays as 90% of kids don't think about Gameplay, but instead popularity.

Ask any kid in Middle school or high school nowadays (thats not korean) about starcraft and they'll either say

1. What's that?
2. You're a nerd

All kids rely on the popularity of games to tell whats "A good game" or "A bad game" Infact kids also play games they seriously don't even enjoy.

And 99% of "Popular" Games are all brainless "No puzzles included" Type of games.

Anyways that's my insight on it.

But also I like you're story.
I fart in your general direction! Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries!
josephmcjoe
Profile Joined October 2009
United States57 Posts
December 23 2010 05:01 GMT
#44
Good article. I'm amused by the "his/her" business when we're overwhelmingly male.
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Kimaker
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2131 Posts
December 23 2010 05:12 GMT
#45
Awesome write-up. I appreciate the FUCK out of you for this being your first post, welcome, welcome, welcome, please stay and chat
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
December 23 2010 05:18 GMT
#46
I remember reading a thread awhile back that videogames or games like starcraft (with large multitasking) can help promote ADD and whatnot. Can't really find it at the moment, but was interesting.
Anyways, throw that under the "cons" section for those of us that actually multitask.
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mprs
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2933 Posts
December 23 2010 05:28 GMT
#47
Best first post ever?

I think being competitive in video games is very good for your mindset. As a young person, it gives you the opportunity to peer into (and conquer) a very competitive world. One that simulates the competitiveness of adulthood once one gets there.

<3
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vlaric
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States412 Posts
December 23 2010 05:57 GMT
#48
that was a great read; though a lot of it has been said before, you've managed to summarize many of the beneifts of playing sc quite nicely. definitely gonna check out that "flow" book too, seems really interesting the way u put it
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Smurfz
Profile Joined May 2008
United States327 Posts
December 23 2010 06:00 GMT
#49
if you have fun while you play, it's not a waste of time. If you don't have fun, it's a waste of time. Unless your making a SERIOUS living off of it like the liquid guys or EG or w/e. Not you people who win 100$ once a month in an online tournament at the expense of 6 hours a day of playing.


in myy opinion
SCdinner
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada516 Posts
December 23 2010 06:11 GMT
#50
Great read, well made OP. You are looking at starcraft like a stereotypical adult which is great because I think most or at least a sizable portion of sc2 players are adult.
I like to think of it even more simple. Does it make me happy? I think when it comes to it thats the kind of life I want to lead, a happy life. The answer for me is yes... except when I've lost more than 3 matches in a row, but thanks to the automatch system that doesn't happen much To look further into my own personal starcraft wellbeing. I have to say it make me more happy than most activities, while costing me less money than most activities that make me this happy, which is importiant for long term happiness (retirement, healthcare, ect).
So what I guess I am trying to say is to figure out if starcraft elevates your mood and compair it to other activities that elevate your mood and use that to judge if it is good for you.
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teh leet newb
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1999 Posts
December 23 2010 06:20 GMT
#51
When you play games, you're buying utility with time. It's impossible to quantify how much utility you get out of it. There's no need to analyze it so deeply; just play if you want to, and if you don't think you have time, then don't.
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
SmoKe93
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany162 Posts
December 23 2010 06:21 GMT
#52
As long as im having fun, its never going to be a waste of my time.

Incredible read btw, thanks.
Awesomeness
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany1361 Posts
December 23 2010 06:24 GMT
#53
Anyone else wasting way more time by just surfing on the internet and F5ing the same 5-10 pages for like 2 hours?

F5
xlord 5:0
recline
Profile Joined December 2010
United States76 Posts
December 23 2010 06:30 GMT
#54
this is an amazing write up. I cant tell you how many time my girl or friends or parents tell me video games are a waste of time. but at the end of the day its just a hobby like someone posted earlier. Many people have many different hobbies, this one just happens to be the best one =P
frogmelter
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States971 Posts
December 23 2010 06:31 GMT
#55
This was a first post? Very nice, welcome to teamliquid.

Yes it can be a waste of time. But a life filled with things that are only productive is hardly a life at all.

As long as you're having fun and not neglecting anything especially important, it's worth it.
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Tynan
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada111 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-23 06:49:01
December 23 2010 06:38 GMT
#56
As a game designer (shooters, not RTS games), I wrestle with these sorts of questions regularly because quite honestly, this has a bearing on the nature of my entire career. If games really are an unfulfilling or even harmful waste of time, what does that make a game creator? Something like a crack dealer, I suppose.

I'm going to try to tear down some pro-game arguments here in the process of building something stronger, or at least more general, in their place.

It is possible for time spent playing a game to be wasted and pointless. The reason is that just because you feel compelled to play a game does not mean that it is enjoyable or meaningful. Games compel people to play them through many different psychological hooks, and only some of these have to do with genuine pleasure, emotion, or experience.

The negative examples are grind-based MMO and Facebook games. WoW is, of course, the king of these types of games. WoW can be fun, but it often isn't. People play it anyways because it triggers an evolutionarily developed psychological hook in their brain. They do not do it for pleasure, they play compulsively. This is why it is called "grinding" in WoW, and not "playing". This kind of play can be life-destroying and isn't worth the time put into it. In some sense it is dangerous because of how powerful a hook it is and how much it can crowd out more meaningful life experiences.

However, this is just one type of game. There are other, more meaningful games. A game like BioShock, for example, offers an interesting world and story to explore. After its limited play time, I think most players walk away enriched, having had a meaningful experience and maybe even felt some emotion from it.

Starcraft is in the respectable games category, but not because of story like BioShock. I'd say it is respectable in the same way that Chess or Go are, since it is a highly skill based game which forces players to learn and grow, and generates emotional experiences. Feel triumph, loss, frustration, suspense while playing MP matches. Perhaps enter a tournament or join a clan. Try new strategies, adapt, work on various skills. It's not far off learning to play the piano, and learning these kinds of skills transforms the brain to make it more adapted to other types of mental challenges.

So, while some games are genuinely pointless wastes of time (and I would never work on or play them), others are not if they provide meaning, emotion, and human growth. I would have been proud to work on SC2, and I'm happy to play it.

This applies to all media as well, not just video games. Books: Twilight vs To Kill a Mockingbird, for example.
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antzzz
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada5 Posts
December 23 2010 07:54 GMT
#57
On December 23 2010 08:30 GiantEnemyCrab wrote:
video games do make your sharper in general unlike tv since ur brain has to continually make decisions and be active. but only playing 1 game isnt that great tho. personally, since i rent games, i play new games every week so ur brain will come across new challenges new mechanics to overcome, which is what makes a person sharp. starcraft 2 is beneficial but i think only in the short term, u play like countless hours every day for a long time, it is a waste of time and will not get u anywhere. brain only evolves if u keep introducing new things to it and challenging it. i played starcraft 2 when it came out in the 1st month, now i only play with my friends sometimes. wow long post imade


I disagree star craft 2 can have the same benefits of playing many different games. While you always have the same ability's and characters at your disposal your always being challenged in a variety different situations while having to maintain the skills you have already learned(macro,micro). Your making star craft sound like once you learn the basic you will never be challenged again witch is untrue.
ChApFoU
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
France2984 Posts
December 23 2010 08:07 GMT
#58
Very nice article ! Now I believe I may have a small chance of persuading my gf that videogames aren't only for mentally retarded teenagers.

The only thing I could answer is that while playing SC certainly trains your brain it does not develop your knowledge of the outside world, which maybe the most important of the cognitive tasks.
"I honestly think that whoever invented toilet paper in a genius" Kang Min
ApBuLLet
Profile Joined September 2010
United States604 Posts
December 23 2010 08:25 GMT
#59
First of all I have to acknowledge how awesome of a post that was... Haha. Very clear and well thought out, just a good change of pace from the usual stuff I read here :p.

As for the actual question, I think in your final conclusion you hit the nail on the head. StarCraft (and probably other games) are in fact beneficial to a person. The most important thing is happiness. Happiness is the most important to a person. Regardless of if you are well educated, have a high paying job, have a family or friends, if you are happy that is all that really matters right? Aside from pure happiness, if you are a person who needs the aforementioned in order to be happy (which is most people, not many people like being poor and/or lonely :p) then I think it still has a lot of benefit to a person, as you said, in improving cognitive skills.
DNB
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Finland995 Posts
December 23 2010 08:33 GMT
#60
On December 23 2010 08:26 Dont Panic wrote:
Mentally stimulating (unless u play terran)



That was a joke, right?
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