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Starcraft 2: A Complete Waste of Time or Good For

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ekizz
Profile Joined December 2010
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December 22 2010 23:11 GMT
#1
My background

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After a 4-year hiatus of not playing any video games after going to college, I yelled liked a little schoolboy when I heard that Starcraft 2 was going to be released. Most of my middle school and high school years were spent playing the original Starcraft, and I remember that almost every year there was a rumor that Starcraft 2 was just around the bend. However after nearly 10 years of waiting, I didn’t believe that Starcraft 2 was actually going to come out.

As excited as I was, I told myself that I would never play Starcraft 2 because of the potential time I would kill playing it. When I was growing up, I remember coming home from school and play video games or watch TV for nearly 5-6 hours straight. A lot of wasted time—and I regretted it in hindsight. Therefore I knew that if I started playing Starcraft 2, I would never be able to put it down.

However slowly I saw all of my friends converting into playing Starcraft 2—talking about it socially or telling me to play with them. I tried my best to resist the temptation—but it piqued my interest. I told myself, “Okay—I’m just going to get it for the single-player campaign mode, and then quit after I beat the game.” However, never spent a dime on paying for a computer game, I ended up not purchasing it for a while.

However out of nowhere, my girlfriend got me Starcraft 2 as a token of appreciation for all that I had been helping her (Yeah I know—the best girlfriend ever). Anyways, I was pretty damn excited, and booted up the game on my computer and started playing. I marveled at how much the game changed in terms of graphics and special effects, yet was pleased how true it played to the original. To say the least, I was impressed.

I told myself I was going to stick to the single-player mode, but of course all of my friends found out that I got the game and invited me to play with them. Still being a relative noob in the game (not knowing any of the units or build orders), I got owned pretty hard. After losing several times, I vowed that I wanted to get “good enough” to live up to my Korean heritage (Starcraft is our national sport).

Jumping into Starcraft, head first

After poking around the internet, I found a plethora of great websites dedicated to Starcraft 2 strategy and build orders, which I consumed. I re-learned the intricicies of each race, as well as the new units that Blizzard introduced (as well as took away) from the game.

After playing many games in the multiplayer “custom map” mode (which isn’t ranked)—I realized that it was time for me to play the ladder to see what league I was placed in. After 5 intense games (and winning all of them), I was very proud to say that I made it to the Platinum league. However as proud of myself as I was, I looked at all of my friends who were in the Diamond league, and looked at their profiles with envy. Being in the Platinum league was like getting an A- on my report card (my parents thought I was a failure), whereas being in the Diamond league was like getting an A (what was to be expected of being a Korean). I then decided I had a new goal in life: to make it to the Diamond League.

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I wanted to be like him.

I tried to restrict my Starcraft 2 playing time to less than an hour a day, as I knew that I had other “better” things to do—like read, write, exercise, or spend time with my friends or girlfriend. However I had this burning passion inside of myself to make it to the Diamond league—so I was addicted. It started to consume me. I had trouble falling asleep at night (adrenaline rushes at 10pm really mess you up), spent an inordinate amount of time reading strategies and watching replays, as well as planning new strategies in my head.

However after becoming so consumed in Starcraft 2 the thought occurred to me: Was this all worth it, or a complete waste of time?

I thought long and hard about this question. Sure the immediate (and obvious) answer is “Of course it’s a waste of time! All video games are a waste of time! They don’t help us out in any way, and are making our children dumb.” However I knew that there was more to the story, and I wanted to seek the answers that made more sense to me.

Is Starcraft good for you?

At around the same time, I picked up a book titled: “Everything Bad Is Good For You” by Steven Johnson. The premise of his book is fascinating, as Johnson argues that pop culture and video games aren’t actually detrimental to ourselves and society, but benefit us. When I first glimpsed at his thesis, I scoffed. How could he possibly make a case to defend video games and pop culture when it is common knowledge that they are “bad” for us?

Nevertheless I was intrigued, so I decided to start reading the book. I was quite surprised to see that one of the first chapters in the book had an entire section devoted to video games. He then presents a pretty convincing question to the reader: what is the difference between a kid solving a puzzle in Zelda versus solving a math equation on a standardized test? That is to say—is there any real cognitive benefit of learning how to solve math equations over solving challenging puzzles in video games?

I pondered at the question, and wondered about the cognitive benefits of playing Starcraft 2. I remember reading once on the internet that Starcraft 2 is akin to “…playing chess while having the dexterity of a pianist.” When I am playing Starcraft 2, I am constantly juggling multiple tasks—which include building units, moving them around, ordering them to attack, mining resources, expanding, as well as thinking of counter-attacks. My brain is working in overtime, which is apparent as my mind often feels “burnt out” after playing a few games. I am sure that Napoleon felt the same thoughts going through his head in the heat of war, or when planning attacks with his army.

So I thus concluded that yes, Starcraft 2 does indeed have some cognitive benefits. I definitely know that when I am playing Starcraft 2, it exercises a part of my brain which typically doesn’t get stimulated by an other activity (the closest one I can think about is sports, when I am planning strategies).

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What is the difference between Chess and Starcraft 2?

However another large argument against video games is that they’re a waste of time. I’m not sure if I want to say that video games are a waste of time, but that they sure do take up a lot of time.

Why do video games take up so much time? Well the biggest point is that when one is playing video games, he or she becomes so engrossed into the activity that he or she forgets about everything else. Time seems to “fly by” and people forget about everything else in their lives—such as their worries, frustrations, and concerns and even forget if they are hungry or need to go to the bathroom. Also when people are “in the zone” when playing video games, they feel genuinely happy. Why do people feel like this when we are playing video games?

Being in the flow

The answer is that when people are playing video games, they become immersed into a state of “flow.” Psychologist Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi discusses this in-depth in his book “Flow: The Psychology of Optimal Experience.” In his book he discusses that the way for us to be optimally happy in life is become in these states of “flow” when we are “in the zone” and forget about everything else. Think about when you are playing a game of basketball, and you forget about everything else. Or when you are taking photos, and seem to lose track of time. Or spending such a good time with friends and family that nothing else seems to matter.

Csikszentmihalyi then breaks it down further, explaining that in order for people to experience these states of “flow,” they have to not only be challenged, but also use their creativity in synergy. This is why video games (especially Starcraft 2) create states of “flow.” When one is playing Starcraft 2, depending on what league they are, most likely they are playing against opponents who are around his/her skill level. Therefore they always feel challenged, and must find creative strategies and novel ways how to beat them. It simply isn’t enough to just win. Think about it—when do we feel more satisfaction? When we crush our opponents or when it is neck-to-neck and we win in the end?

Not only that, but Starcraft 2 (unlike life) shows us progress. Everytime I win a game in Starcraft 2, I gain points which increase my ranking. In real life it is difficult to chart and measure or success (although most people like to do it by their GPA, their income, or credit score). This is another great way how video games reward the users, which convince them to continuously play.

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Every win brings you closer to becoming #1

Summing it up

So to sum up the two points mentioned beforehand, I believe that Starcraft 2 is actually indeed beneficial to a person, as they are able to sharpen their mind by exercising their cognitive skills while playing challenging games against equally-equipped opponents. Not only that, but Starcraft 2 also puts people into modes of “flow” which make people genuinely happy.

However there are still many negative impacts on playing Starcraft 2 and video games in general. 1) It can hurt relationships. How many horror stories do we hear of people who lose their girlfriends and friends because they become so addicted to their video games? I know personally there have been moments when I have gotten into fights with my girlfriend as she felt neglected. 2) It disrupts sleep patterns. Whenever I play Starcraft 2, I always get a huge surge of adrenaline when playing 1v1’s. Needless to say, having testosterone pumping into my system at 10pm prevent me from falling asleep until maybe 2-3am in the morning. This ends up screwing up my sleeping schedule, which negatively impacts my following day. 3) It doesn’t give us any “real” benefits. Sure it can help sharpen our cognitive skills, but what true benefit does it give us? All those hours of playing Starcraft could be dedicated to starting up a business, seeing lost-long friends, or learning new things or skills.

Perhaps I am taking the subject too seriously, but as a sociologist and interested in the affects of the internet in our personal lives and on society—it is a great thought exercise for me. But I guess in the end, everything is okay in moderation. After all, even the best things out there can kill us. Drinking too much water can poison us, and eating too much carrots will literally make us turn orange. Now excuse me as I crack open a beer and see if there are any noobs I can destroy on Battlenet.

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Your personal thoughts and reactions are greatly appreciated.
EliteReplay
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Dominican Republic913 Posts
December 22 2010 23:18 GMT
#2
im first one ^^, i like your story, i think playing to much if u are not going to be competitive its a waste of time, but it depends, because u should spend your time in what makes u happy, ppl said that games take your social life away, while this is 50/50 truth, ppl that just go out to drink and going to partys every weekend are wasting time too.
nice write.
if play random i can't call any race imba?
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
December 22 2010 23:19 GMT
#3
Awesome write up - at least there is some justification to my time spent on sc2.. this might want to be a blog though?

Sometimes i think the benefits could be attained from some other more constructive, societal contributory action? But hey, it just wouldnt be as fun as starcraft!

Again - great write up!
In The Rear With The Gear .. *giggle* /////////// cobra-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!!!!
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
December 22 2010 23:22 GMT
#4
Wow this is a good write-up!
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SamGamgee
Profile Joined December 2010
79 Posts
December 22 2010 23:22 GMT
#5
If you enjoy playing a game, its not a waste of time.
If you dont enjoy it, dont play it.
Whether or not it has some other benefits or not is irrelevant if you are having fun doing something.

Dont Panic
Profile Joined October 2010
United States194 Posts
December 22 2010 23:26 GMT
#6
Pros:
Fun
Something to compete in. (Great for people who aren't competing in something else)
Play with friends / social
Mentally stimulating (unless u play terran)

Cons: Same as anything else you do for fun. The game isn't designed to be an investment unless ur a pro.
I am order. I am logic. I know exactly who I am.
Salivanth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia1071 Posts
December 22 2010 23:28 GMT
#7
A lot of the stuff you wrote about, I had already heard of, but your piece on flow is very intriguing. I've often thought that playing a challenging game (whether a video game, board game or card game) is the only time I ever truly live in the present. When I play Magic: The Gathering, Chess, or StarCraft, nothing else exists except that game.

Thanks for writing: Maybe some guilty people won't feel so guilty now, and some disapproving parents/SO's will understand some of it's benefits.
<@Wikt> so you are one of those nega-fans <@Wikt> that hates the company that makes a game and everything they stand for <@Wikt> but still plays the game <@Wikt> (like roughly 30% of blizzard's player base, maybe much more...)
Shotzzzz
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada60 Posts
December 22 2010 23:28 GMT
#8
I'm a minor, so I have so much free time on my hands, but I still keep it in my mind that I should focus more on real-life activities and goals.
I agree that video games make you happy. Even when I'm not on any game, maybe just surfing on TL.net or reading topics on the web, time just flies by. I somehow even forget that I'm sick (terrible coughs) and I seldom cough, as opposed to every few seconds.
UnOrthodothic plays = BEAST
Endbringer
Profile Joined June 2010
United States111 Posts
December 22 2010 23:28 GMT
#9
Your section on flow and being in the zone sounds an awful lot like Buddhist teachings. Getting lost in what your doing so that you lose all thought is a way to find enlightenment. This is why monks often work on repetitive tasks as a form of meditation. Only by clearing your mind of all thought can you then attain enlightenment. Otherwise your random thoughts about mundane day to day things and how your body feels at the time crowed out wisdom. Maybe someone who is more familiar with Zen could comment? I am only paraphrasing what I remember from a few classes in college and some personal reading many years ago.
ducis
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada96 Posts
December 22 2010 23:29 GMT
#10
waiit.,,
you were higher on the ladder than orb? and almost as high as LZgamer?
GiantEnemyCrab
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada503 Posts
December 22 2010 23:30 GMT
#11
video games do make your sharper in general unlike tv since ur brain has to continually make decisions and be active. but only playing 1 game isnt that great tho. personally, since i rent games, i play new games every week so ur brain will come across new challenges new mechanics to overcome, which is what makes a person sharp. starcraft 2 is beneficial but i think only in the short term, u play like countless hours every day for a long time, it is a waste of time and will not get u anywhere. brain only evolves if u keep introducing new things to it and challenging it. i played starcraft 2 when it came out in the 1st month, now i only play with my friends sometimes. wow long post imade
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Nyovne
Profile Joined March 2006
Netherlands19138 Posts
December 22 2010 23:32 GMT
#12
Welcome to Teamliquid! Great first post, I hope to see many more.
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TheDominator
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
New Zealand336 Posts
December 22 2010 23:38 GMT
#13
Lol this write up is fantastic. U got me hooked from the first few paragraphs.
Yea blizzard made the game so u cannot resist it. That's their well done.
It is possible that since in Sc2 u can think about cause and effect, and u need to decide these quickly, it may be possible u can apply this in real life, when making certain decisions.
You can go a long way with a smile. You can go a lot farther with a smile and a gun.
Sakarabu
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom132 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-22 23:48:50
December 22 2010 23:39 GMT
#14
While this is a pretty nice article and is well written, I can't help but think you have an utterly terrible attitude to life. The fact that you thought you had to take 4 years away from playing games just to attend college makes me pity you a little bit (I'm not flaming you, that was my honest reaction). What ever happened to time management? There is more than enough time in the day for you to enjoy videogames while still socializing and studying for college.

Moreover this whole post just strikes me as you trying to convince yourself that you arn't wasting time playing SC2.

I think the more important questions are:

1) What is your definition of "wasted time"?
2) Does it matter if you "waste time" playing games?

Personally, my answer to question 1 ( what is your definition of wasted time?). Would be time where you arn't doing anything AT ALL (including sitting back and relaxing). A clearer definition would be doing something you personally don't enjoy which has no benefit to you in the short or long term (including the benefit of seeing people around you happy). Using this as my definition there are very few things which I would consider a waste of a persons time as long as they are gaining some type of fun or reward for doing it.

Now, as regards to question two, I would think my stance is pretty clear. Why exactly would you even consider something which you derive so much joy from playing a waste of time? That boggles my mind. Do you also class sex (for the sake of pleasure, not procreation) as a "waste of time"? I mean... You arn't gaining anything but happiness from it right?

What this all boils down to (beware: cliche wishywashy philosophy incoming, but it's true nonetheless), is the fact that noone can tell you how to live life, or what is a "waste of time". Having fun is an important part of it though, and if you have FUN playing games, there is no reason to dismiss that as wasted time.

As you stated near the bottom of the article "But I guess in the end, everything is okay in moderation.", which basically just disregards everything else you wrote. Moderation is the key to anything in life. You have to find the time to work and the time to play, and if you think something you find immensely fun is "wasted time", like I said, I pity you.
Enervate
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1769 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-22 23:45:55
December 22 2010 23:45 GMT
#15
I agree that playing Starcraft has certain benefits, but if those benefits are your primary motivation for playing, you are probably wasting your time. In my opinion, Starcraft is first and foremost a game, intended to entertain more than anything else.
Ownos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2147 Posts
December 22 2010 23:50 GMT
#16
On December 23 2010 08:26 Dont Panic wrote:
Pros:
Fun
Something to compete in. (Great for people who aren't competing in something else)
Play with friends / social
Mentally stimulating (unless u play terran)

Cons: Same as anything else you do for fun. The game isn't designed to be an investment unless ur a pro.


Pretty much sums it up. It's a "waste of time" in that it isn't all that productive and by that I mean give you career related skills. But everything in life isn't all about if it can make you money. Almost everything we do would fall under "waste of time." Learning to play guitar for a musician might be productive, but for a hobbyist it's a "waste of time." But R&R is important too. Just don't overdo it. And mentally stimulating is also important as "excercising your mind" is as important as your body i.e. no vegging in front of the telly.
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Unstable87
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia226 Posts
December 22 2010 23:51 GMT
#17
Great first post!

I actually have to applaud you here for taking the time to actually research into something and not label things arbitrarily.

Something i come across alot. is what you were saying when "I knew that I had other “better” things to do—like read, write, exercise, or spend time with my friends or girlfriend" - i consider reading a book to be just as big a waste of time as watching a movie because they are both stories that unless it is reading for a study course or something dont benefit you at all.

Personally i am always confused at people making this argument, as any person with self control can do all of these. I know i personally play 2-3 hours a day when i can, but i also hold down a regular job, see my girlfriend, go out for drinks with mates (when i can afford it uni loans suck!) take time to go to MMA classes etc.

Life to me is too short, and as long as you are doing something that makes you happy whats really wrong with it? I can understand the point of view that certain people have different priorities, but it does frustrate me when people say "this is a waste of time" just because you dont see any benefit in it, doesnt mean other people do!

"but I guess in the end, everything is okay in moderation." is something that is not said enough!
FXOUnstable
lac29
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1485 Posts
December 22 2010 23:53 GMT
#18
Dan Pink talks about what motivates us ... being 3 things:

1) autonomy - doing things ourselves
2) mastery - wanting to get better at something
3) purpose - feeling that there is a purpose to what we do
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
December 23 2010 00:00 GMT
#19
i always thought of free time as free time, nothing beyond that. do what you want to do, it could be playing video games like sc, watching tv, working out, whatever.

6 hours of sc2 could be the same as 2 hours of reading, 2 hours of working out, 2 hours of playing sc2. all comes down to what you want to do: be health vs educate vs have fun vs be productive to be unproductive.

great write up, you have great self control i must say ^^
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Frapes
Profile Joined June 2010
Greece9 Posts
December 23 2010 00:18 GMT
#20
Excellent writeup! A very amusing read.
Strange that nobody mentioned the typical response ''time you enjoy wasting is not wasted'' yet. As long as it doesn't interfere with other activities gaming is fine in my book. Actually it can be rather useful
[B]On December 23 2010 08:11 ekizz wrote:
I play Starcraft 2, I always get a huge surge of adrenaline when playing 1v1’s. Needless to say, having testosterone pumping into my system at 10pm prevent me from falling asleep until maybe 2-3am in the morning. This ends up screwing up my sleeping schedule, which negatively impacts my following day. 3) It doesn’t give us any “real” benefits. Sure it can help sharpen our cognitive skills, but what true benefit does it give us? All those hours of playing Starcraft could be dedicated to starting up a business, seeing lost-long friends, or learning new things or skills.

That can actually be good too. I'm staying up all night today to finish a report and just a little while ago i was feeling sleepy. Since coffee doesn't help me much anymore I just went online, played a couple of game and bam - I'm all pumped now ^^ (It's kinda tricky though, you have to be able to stop at 2 games!). Also gaming has helped me alot in periods where I really lack time like exams. It's much easier to blow some steam by playing a few games than go out and hang out friends, since when I come back home I have a hard to put my brain back into study mode.
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