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On December 16 2010 19:42 Crichton wrote:
So it's OK if Rain wins because the broken repair isn't fixed, but it's not OK if MC wins because the broken repair is fixed? I'm not sure I follow the logic. The game should always be played in it's most balanced state. If Blizzard feels something is broken, and their patch is ready, they should release it regardless if tournaments, as they have done in the past.
They have no idea if a patch is going to balance the game more than it already is until it is tested...
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On December 16 2010 19:07 andrewwiggin wrote:
I don't understand why people are against a patching?
Think it through LOGICALLY:
1. Both players get patched (so no one has extra practice time with the new patch version than the other).
2. Patching only happens.. when Blizzard thinks a matchup is BROKEN. It's like a car race, and you're telling the mechanic - WAIT, don't fix those cars, yeah yeah, it doesn't matter that the red car is shitter, let's watch them race first.... =/
3. Read 2.
4. Read 2 again.
lol i love it when idiots try to claim they are using logic to prove a point. ironic. Your argument that both players have no extra practice time with the new patch makes me giggle. Somehow you think that will make the game "even". lol both players will be clueless and thus perfect balance is achieved?
your 2nd argument is simply moronic. patching only happens when blizzard thinks a matchup is broken? Lol then how do you know for sure that their new patch will fix the supposedly broken balance? Cuz they had patches before and people would still cry balance. Will this new patch really be the end all and fix the game? How can you be sure it may not get worse for one race or too good for the other? You can't be sure thus you do not make game breaking changes before a 200,000 USD tourney.
And I doubt they think the PvT matchup is broken. Most pro Toss and Terran say PvT is one of the most balanced matchups.
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On December 16 2010 19:53 zak wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 19:07 andrewwiggin wrote:
I don't understand why people are against a patching?
Think it through LOGICALLY:
1. Both players get patched (so no one has extra practice time with the new patch version than the other).
2. Patching only happens.. when Blizzard thinks a matchup is BROKEN. It's like a car race, and you're telling the mechanic - WAIT, don't fix those cars, yeah yeah, it doesn't matter that the red car is shitter, let's watch them race first.... =/
3. Read 2.
4. Read 2 again. lol i love it when idiots try to claim they are using logic to prove a point. ironic. Your argument that both players have no extra practice time with the new patch makes me giggle. Somehow you think that will make the game "even". lol both players will be clueless and thus perfect balance is achieved? your 2nd argument is simply moronic. patching only happens when blizzard thinks a matchup is broken? Lol then how do you know for sure that their new patch will fix the supposedly broken balance? Cuz they had patches before and people would still cry balance. Will this new patch really be the end all and fix the game? How can you be sure it may not get worse for one race or too good for the other? You can't be sure thus you do not make game breaking changes before a 200,000 USD tourney. And I doubt they think the PvT matchup is broken. Most pro Toss and Terran say PvT is one of the most balanced matchups.
You know you just fell into your own "idiot" description :>
So just stop calling people idiots. Otherwise your post had an ok point.
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Just download the 2.something tools patch. The patch is not implemented yet though.
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I downloaded the new patch too. But no change at all it looks to me :/
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The way I see it, it's blizzard's game they can patch it whenever they want and it doesnt really matter what anyone has to say about it.
If they wait till after GSL it's far more kind than they have to be.
regardless I'm curious as to why in every single patch thus far they have nerf stomped terran right in the balls. >.<
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On December 16 2010 21:23 xSuperflyTnT wrote:
The way I see it, it's blizzard's game they can patch it whenever they want and it doesnt really matter what anyone has to say about it.
If they wait till after GSL it's far more kind than they have to be.
regardless I'm curious as to why in every single patch thus far they have nerf stomped terran right in the balls. >.<
there are a lot of theories
the most accepted is that blizz can´t wait for the metagame changes to patch, so it will end up in terran being extremely weak in a near future ....
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The patch was just a Battle.Net bug fixes/update patch. All is safe 
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I don't understand the last patch. It says tools. What?
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Couldn't Gomtv could have made a UMS with the old parameters in place if it really mattered.
Think about it.
Hope to see some responses, Adun
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It looks like this was just a false alarm, but still, I don't see what the big deal is about a balance patch happening before the finals of GSL. Sure, it's the most important SC2 tournament, for the guys playing in it. No matter when Blizzard patches, it will always coincide with an important match in some tournament, and I guarantee you the finals of Zotac Cup are way more important to Strelok than the finals of GSL. Even just as far as GSL is concerned, it spans almost the entire month, do you want Blizzard to always be waiting for a full GSL season to end before applying new patches?
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On December 16 2010 21:57 slimshady wrote:
I don't understand the last patch. It says tools. What?
Tools man... fucking tools.
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On December 16 2010 03:29 CuirassEU wrote:
A Balance change is supposed to change things in a way the game comes out to be more balanced what means the game provides even more same chances for a win for all races right?
is the next patch providing new hudge imbalances so the tournament will be affected?
Also there is no official statement regarding the releasedate of a patch. I think if the patch comes or not wont change the Tournament outcome. I Doubt to see Phoenix or Thor with SCV repair on the field.
That's the thing. If both players are practicing non stop for a build, and the balance patch comes, even if minor, could upset timings by a lot and really mess things up imbalance or not.
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On December 16 2010 22:52 Cel.erity wrote:Sure, it's the most important SC2 tournament, for the guys playing in it.
wrong. The GSL is for whole SC2 as an esport relevant. Not only for the guys playing in it.
On December 16 2010 22:52 Cel.erity wrote:
do you want Blizzard to always be waiting for a full GSL season to end before applying new patches?
of course.
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On December 16 2010 22:52 Cel.erity wrote:
It looks like this was just a false alarm, but still, I don't see what the big deal is about a balance patch happening before the finals of GSL. Sure, it's the most important SC2 tournament, for the guys playing in it. No matter when Blizzard patches, it will always coincide with an important match in some tournament, and I guarantee you the finals of Zotac Cup are way more important to Strelok than the finals of GSL. Even just as far as GSL is concerned, it spans almost the entire month, do you want Blizzard to always be waiting for a full GSL season to end before applying new patches?
A balance patch being released the day before the GSL grand finals would be no big deal? What the hell man.
If you want to completely destroy any chance SC2 has of being regarded as a legit esport then yeah, go ahead and mess around with the game in the middle of major tournaments.
Luckily Blizzard have more sense. I very much doubt they would ever consider doing something as ridiculously stupid as that.
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On December 16 2010 23:19 Exarl25 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 22:52 Cel.erity wrote:
It looks like this was just a false alarm, but still, I don't see what the big deal is about a balance patch happening before the finals of GSL. Sure, it's the most important SC2 tournament, for the guys playing in it. No matter when Blizzard patches, it will always coincide with an important match in some tournament, and I guarantee you the finals of Zotac Cup are way more important to Strelok than the finals of GSL. Even just as far as GSL is concerned, it spans almost the entire month, do you want Blizzard to always be waiting for a full GSL season to end before applying new patches? A balance patch being released the day before the GSL grand finals would be no big deal? What the hell man. If you want to completely destroy any chance SC2 has of being regarded as a legit esport then yeah, go ahead and mess around with the game in the middle of major tournaments. Luckily Blizzard have more sense. I very much doubt they would ever consider doing something as ridiculously stupid as that.
Its blizzards decision, they can dowhat ever they want with the game, its only their choice if they want to wait for after the tournament
Althou it would be nice not to implement any mayor balance changes right before the finals of the largers tournament, but as I said I think its their game so their choice
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On December 16 2010 23:28 cilinder007 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 23:19 Exarl25 wrote:On December 16 2010 22:52 Cel.erity wrote:
It looks like this was just a false alarm, but still, I don't see what the big deal is about a balance patch happening before the finals of GSL. Sure, it's the most important SC2 tournament, for the guys playing in it. No matter when Blizzard patches, it will always coincide with an important match in some tournament, and I guarantee you the finals of Zotac Cup are way more important to Strelok than the finals of GSL. Even just as far as GSL is concerned, it spans almost the entire month, do you want Blizzard to always be waiting for a full GSL season to end before applying new patches? A balance patch being released the day before the GSL grand finals would be no big deal? What the hell man. If you want to completely destroy any chance SC2 has of being regarded as a legit esport then yeah, go ahead and mess around with the game in the middle of major tournaments. Luckily Blizzard have more sense. I very much doubt they would ever consider doing something as ridiculously stupid as that. Its blizzards decision, they can dowhat ever they want with the game, its only their choice if they want to wait for after the tournament Althou it would be nice not to implement any mayor balance changes right before the finals of the largers tournament, but as I said I think its their game so their choice
Of course they can do what they want to it, I never said otherwise. Doesn't change the fact that it would be completely counter productive not to mention fucking retarded for them to do so, which is why we will never see a balance patch the day before a GSL final.
What hurts SC2 hurts Blizzard.
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On December 16 2010 21:23 xSuperflyTnT wrote:
The way I see it, it's blizzard's game they can patch it whenever they want and it doesnt really matter what anyone has to say about it.
If they wait till after GSL it's far more kind than they have to be.
regardless I'm curious as to why in every single patch thus far they have nerf stomped terran right in the balls. >.<
Go read beta patches.
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On December 16 2010 23:19 Exarl25 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 22:52 Cel.erity wrote:
It looks like this was just a false alarm, but still, I don't see what the big deal is about a balance patch happening before the finals of GSL. Sure, it's the most important SC2 tournament, for the guys playing in it. No matter when Blizzard patches, it will always coincide with an important match in some tournament, and I guarantee you the finals of Zotac Cup are way more important to Strelok than the finals of GSL. Even just as far as GSL is concerned, it spans almost the entire month, do you want Blizzard to always be waiting for a full GSL season to end before applying new patches? A balance patch being released the day before the GSL grand finals would be no big deal? What the hell man. If you want to completely destroy any chance SC2 has of being regarded as a legit esport then yeah, go ahead and mess around with the game in the middle of major tournaments.
There's 3 weeks of GSL, and then what if the 4th week happens to be something like MLG? You'll complain that they released a major patch right before MLG (which happened btw). They can't tiptoe around every major tournament. Yes, GSL has the largest prize pool, but that's not Blizzard's responsibility. Blizzard's responsibility is to balance the game as quickly and efficiently as possible. It would be much worse if they released the patch right before code S group stages, where there is more at stake for a larger number of people.
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