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MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
December 16 2010 02:31 GMT
#221
On December 16 2010 11:24 Jayrod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2010 09:52 blade55555 wrote:
On December 16 2010 09:48 crms wrote:
On December 16 2010 09:30 blade55555 wrote:
On December 16 2010 09:26 k20 wrote:
On December 16 2010 08:57 Subversion wrote:
people making the point that if blizzard waits people will complain they only care about korean tourneys etc etc, but if they patched after the tourney, noone would know they had waited anyway. i mean they haven't given a date for the patch neway.

And then we will tune them out because we don't care what they think. After watching GSL anyway I find it hard to go back and watch the comparatively low level play of MLG or whatever.


The low level of play at MLG? MLG has provided alot more entertaining games then GSL imo lol.


while i agree MLG is generally entertaining.. entertainment doesn't really equate to skill level displayed. Bronze level funday mondays are entertaining, it doesn't mean the games are high level.


So you think the top level foreigners suck or something? :S

Think of it this way...

Foreigners at the GSL are like europeans that come over and play in the NBA. Jinro is Pau Gasol, but most of them are just Vlade Divac.


and we all know how it looked when Vlade went up against Shaq

good analogy btw lol
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
nufcrulz
Profile Joined February 2010
Singapore934 Posts
December 16 2010 02:34 GMT
#222
On December 16 2010 11:24 Jayrod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2010 09:52 blade55555 wrote:
On December 16 2010 09:48 crms wrote:
On December 16 2010 09:30 blade55555 wrote:
On December 16 2010 09:26 k20 wrote:
On December 16 2010 08:57 Subversion wrote:
people making the point that if blizzard waits people will complain they only care about korean tourneys etc etc, but if they patched after the tourney, noone would know they had waited anyway. i mean they haven't given a date for the patch neway.

And then we will tune them out because we don't care what they think. After watching GSL anyway I find it hard to go back and watch the comparatively low level play of MLG or whatever.


The low level of play at MLG? MLG has provided alot more entertaining games then GSL imo lol.


while i agree MLG is generally entertaining.. entertainment doesn't really equate to skill level displayed. Bronze level funday mondays are entertaining, it doesn't mean the games are high level.


So you think the top level foreigners suck or something? :S

Think of it this way...

Foreigners at the GSL are like europeans that come over and play in the NBA. Jinro is Pau Gasol, but most of them are just Vlade Divac.


theres dirk nowitzki, tony parker, pau's brother marc is doing well as well, hedo turkoglu? and peja stojakovic wasnt bad, back in the day.. as was drazen petrovic...

id say european players are doing pretty darn good in the NBA, and i believe foreigners should be able to be pretty darn good in the GSL as well...
oxxo
Profile Joined February 2010
988 Posts
December 16 2010 02:36 GMT
#223
On December 16 2010 10:08 RaLakedaimon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2010 09:30 blade55555 wrote:
On December 16 2010 09:26 k20 wrote:
On December 16 2010 08:57 Subversion wrote:
people making the point that if blizzard waits people will complain they only care about korean tourneys etc etc, but if they patched after the tourney, noone would know they had waited anyway. i mean they haven't given a date for the patch neway.

And then we will tune them out because we don't care what they think. After watching GSL anyway I find it hard to go back and watch the comparatively low level play of MLG or whatever.


The low level of play at MLG? MLG has provided alot more entertaining games then GSL imo lol.


I second this, that dude apparently didnt watch Jinro, Tylers, or honestly nearly any player that was casted games because this last MLG was insane. Low level is a great way of saying "i didnt watch mlg and im a douche".


Not really. I watched both. Like he said, entertaining != skilled. You can't honestly think that MLG skill level is greater than or even close to equal to GSL skill level. If you really need it spelled out, think about it this way. Alot of MLG players didn't even QUALIFY for GSL.
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
December 16 2010 02:36 GMT
#224
On December 16 2010 11:34 nufcrulz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2010 11:24 Jayrod wrote:
On December 16 2010 09:52 blade55555 wrote:
On December 16 2010 09:48 crms wrote:
On December 16 2010 09:30 blade55555 wrote:
On December 16 2010 09:26 k20 wrote:
On December 16 2010 08:57 Subversion wrote:
people making the point that if blizzard waits people will complain they only care about korean tourneys etc etc, but if they patched after the tourney, noone would know they had waited anyway. i mean they haven't given a date for the patch neway.

And then we will tune them out because we don't care what they think. After watching GSL anyway I find it hard to go back and watch the comparatively low level play of MLG or whatever.


The low level of play at MLG? MLG has provided alot more entertaining games then GSL imo lol.


while i agree MLG is generally entertaining.. entertainment doesn't really equate to skill level displayed. Bronze level funday mondays are entertaining, it doesn't mean the games are high level.


So you think the top level foreigners suck or something? :S

Think of it this way...

Foreigners at the GSL are like europeans that come over and play in the NBA. Jinro is Pau Gasol, but most of them are just Vlade Divac.


theres dirk nowitzki, tony parker, pau's brother marc is doing well as well, hedo turkoglu? and peja stojakovic wasnt bad, back in the day.. as was drazen petrovic...

id say european players are doing pretty darn good in the NBA, and i believe foreigners should be able to be pretty darn good in the GSL as well...


and how many of those guys won the title?...parker won but because of Duncan, so if Dirk can win it for Mavs this year I will agree

PS my favorite is Sabonis, what a baller
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
GoldenH
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1115 Posts
December 16 2010 04:21 GMT
#225
On December 16 2010 11:36 oxxo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2010 10:08 RaLakedaimon wrote:
On December 16 2010 09:30 blade55555 wrote:
On December 16 2010 09:26 k20 wrote:
On December 16 2010 08:57 Subversion wrote:
people making the point that if blizzard waits people will complain they only care about korean tourneys etc etc, but if they patched after the tourney, noone would know they had waited anyway. i mean they haven't given a date for the patch neway.

And then we will tune them out because we don't care what they think. After watching GSL anyway I find it hard to go back and watch the comparatively low level play of MLG or whatever.


The low level of play at MLG? MLG has provided alot more entertaining games then GSL imo lol.


I second this, that dude apparently didnt watch Jinro, Tylers, or honestly nearly any player that was casted games because this last MLG was insane. Low level is a great way of saying "i didnt watch mlg and im a douche".


Not really. I watched both. Like he said, entertaining != skilled. You can't honestly think that MLG skill level is greater than or even close to equal to GSL skill level. If you really need it spelled out, think about it this way. Alot of MLG players didn't even QUALIFY for GSL.


TBH I don't really think much of the GSL skill level either... and next years' GSL will be entirely single elim so... ugh.

There are a few solid players but I don't really feel as if the tourneys are choosing the best player in the world. Right now, solid consistent play is the strongest determiner of ability, perhaps we will see amazing talent matter more in the years to come.
"(Dudes are) not going to say "Buy this game — I cried at the end". (...) I suppose the secret is to find a game that makes you shoot eight million fuckin' dudes and then cry about how awesome it is to shoot eight million fuckin' dudes." - Tim Rogers
awu25
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2003 Posts
December 16 2010 04:23 GMT
#226
On December 16 2010 13:21 GoldenH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2010 11:36 oxxo wrote:
On December 16 2010 10:08 RaLakedaimon wrote:
On December 16 2010 09:30 blade55555 wrote:
On December 16 2010 09:26 k20 wrote:
On December 16 2010 08:57 Subversion wrote:
people making the point that if blizzard waits people will complain they only care about korean tourneys etc etc, but if they patched after the tourney, noone would know they had waited anyway. i mean they haven't given a date for the patch neway.

And then we will tune them out because we don't care what they think. After watching GSL anyway I find it hard to go back and watch the comparatively low level play of MLG or whatever.


The low level of play at MLG? MLG has provided alot more entertaining games then GSL imo lol.


I second this, that dude apparently didnt watch Jinro, Tylers, or honestly nearly any player that was casted games because this last MLG was insane. Low level is a great way of saying "i didnt watch mlg and im a douche".


Not really. I watched both. Like he said, entertaining != skilled. You can't honestly think that MLG skill level is greater than or even close to equal to GSL skill level. If you really need it spelled out, think about it this way. Alot of MLG players didn't even QUALIFY for GSL.


TBH I don't really think much of the GSL skill level either... and next years' GSL will be entirely single elim so... ugh.

There are a few solid players but I don't really feel as if the tourneys are choosing the best player in the world. Right now, solid consistent play is the strongest determiner of ability, perhaps we will see amazing talent matter more in the years to come.


i didn't know you could be good with inconsistent play
we haven't seen any amazing talent because people are still perfecting strategies, it will take time
.Aar
Profile Joined September 2010
2177 Posts
December 16 2010 04:35 GMT
#227
On December 16 2010 11:36 MassHysteria wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2010 11:34 nufcrulz wrote:
On December 16 2010 11:24 Jayrod wrote:
On December 16 2010 09:52 blade55555 wrote:
On December 16 2010 09:48 crms wrote:
On December 16 2010 09:30 blade55555 wrote:
On December 16 2010 09:26 k20 wrote:
On December 16 2010 08:57 Subversion wrote:
people making the point that if blizzard waits people will complain they only care about korean tourneys etc etc, but if they patched after the tourney, noone would know they had waited anyway. i mean they haven't given a date for the patch neway.

And then we will tune them out because we don't care what they think. After watching GSL anyway I find it hard to go back and watch the comparatively low level play of MLG or whatever.


The low level of play at MLG? MLG has provided alot more entertaining games then GSL imo lol.


while i agree MLG is generally entertaining.. entertainment doesn't really equate to skill level displayed. Bronze level funday mondays are entertaining, it doesn't mean the games are high level.


So you think the top level foreigners suck or something? :S

Think of it this way...

Foreigners at the GSL are like europeans that come over and play in the NBA. Jinro is Pau Gasol, but most of them are just Vlade Divac.


theres dirk nowitzki, tony parker, pau's brother marc is doing well as well, hedo turkoglu? and peja stojakovic wasnt bad, back in the day.. as was drazen petrovic...

id say european players are doing pretty darn good in the NBA, and i believe foreigners should be able to be pretty darn good in the GSL as well...


and how many of those guys won the title?...parker won but because of Duncan, so if Dirk can win it for Mavs this year I will agree

PS my favorite is Sabonis, what a baller


Well this certainly got de-railed.

Let's get back on track. I'm pretty amazed that they would do something like this. Seems like a terrible decision, and it's like they don't care at all what this could mean for the GSL.

Then again, the changes aren't so major that they'd make Rain win a game off of MC of anything.
now run into the setting sun, and suffer, but don't mess up your hair.
TexSC
Profile Joined June 2010
United States195 Posts
December 16 2010 04:41 GMT
#228
I just logged in and got some "tools update". That is all the blizzard updater said. Anyone else get this?
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Onlinejaguar
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia2823 Posts
December 16 2010 04:44 GMT
#229
I hope they wait to bring the patch out after the GSL final even if it is only minor balance changes.
KiF1rE
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States964 Posts
December 16 2010 04:45 GMT
#230
On December 16 2010 13:41 TexSC wrote:
I just logged in and got some "tools update". That is all the blizzard updater said. Anyone else get this?


same, i can confirm there was some form of patch... no idea what was in it. But my best guess since the description was tools update, is that the changes on the PTR for the editor were introduced into retail. And nothing affecting gameplay wise.
GoldenH
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1115 Posts
December 16 2010 04:46 GMT
#231
got it too.. perfect, best patch ever ^^
"(Dudes are) not going to say "Buy this game — I cried at the end". (...) I suppose the secret is to find a game that makes you shoot eight million fuckin' dudes and then cry about how awesome it is to shoot eight million fuckin' dudes." - Tim Rogers
eggs
Profile Joined August 2010
1011 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-16 04:47:27
December 16 2010 04:46 GMT
#232
On December 16 2010 13:41 TexSC wrote:
I just logged in and got some "tools update". That is all the blizzard updater said. Anyone else get this?


same, tools update
but still 1.1.3
Boundless
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada588 Posts
December 16 2010 04:50 GMT
#233
I logged in and got it. I'm not sure whether then changes were included though.
"Sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace." - Romans 6:14
darthcaesar
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States475 Posts
December 16 2010 05:02 GMT
#234
So is this it? Doesn't seem like it should affect things as John the Translator said.
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blizzind
Profile Joined February 2010
United States642 Posts
December 16 2010 05:10 GMT
#235
it is only a tools update
IamOBESE
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States134 Posts
December 16 2010 05:22 GMT
#236
I think the update might be for the blizzard updater itself? Perhaps in preparation for the patch tomorrow.
MarCoon
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Germany493 Posts
December 16 2010 05:33 GMT
#237
anyone can elaborate what the tools upgrade consists of?
~follow me on twitter.com/GGmarCoon
wishbones
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada2600 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-16 05:42:41
December 16 2010 05:34 GMT
#238
haha i see. well that explains it. i like that answer. sounds better than what i already forgot i was gonna say T_T

+ Show Spoiler +
thanks for lookin!


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0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
December 16 2010 05:34 GMT
#239
Sabonis was amazing, and Divac had a pretty good career.
wishbones
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada2600 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-16 05:38:45
December 16 2010 05:37 GMT
#240
On December 16 2010 14:34 0neder wrote:
Sabonis was amazing, and Divac had a pretty good career.

haha wwhat?

edit: look at my above posts spoiler lol
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