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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
On December 12 2010 05:59 Lipski wrote: this is not true. this is like saying inject larvae is free. saying that forgetting to drop a mule is no-big-deal is not true either. larvae inject is free... | ||
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darmousseh
United States3437 Posts
On December 11 2010 09:24 JBrown08 wrote: I wasn't talking about balance or even arguing that hellions *should* cost gas. I just found it funny that a flame throwing car doesn't require gas to be usable in a logical sense. (If you had no gas on a alien planet, how the hell are you going to build and operate such a vehicle) It's because it's an electric car and they found a way to extract CO2 by burning some of the minerals and then extracting the O2 molecules only. | ||
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Devildeer
Mexico68 Posts
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Arco
United States2090 Posts
On December 12 2010 21:06 kmkg wrote: You know how long it takes to get 3-3 stim marines w medivacs? Might be able to get them just before late game off two bases but by then the hard counters are out and about on the field: hts/infestors/mass tanks. Please read my post and the implied sarcasm before making yourself look dumb. I was agreeing with your point. 3-3 marine all in...really? | ||
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BetterFasterStronger
United States604 Posts
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
Having 3-3 marines against a zerg who forgot to upgrade anything is like the most fruitilicious feeling :D It's like attacking a butter monster with a hot knife. | ||
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badboymav
Australia74 Posts
how about ppl stop crying and actually post useful ideas or suggestions instead of crying op/up ? I can't see any probs with the current state of the ptr, can't wait for it to go live :D | ||
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Rkie
United States1278 Posts
The game will now properly find custom imported files within mods. So, this means i can't have my korean sounds anymore? | ||
TOMNGAI
United States16 Posts
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MoreFaSho
United States1427 Posts
On December 14 2010 09:18 TOMNGAI wrote: anyone think zerg should have an overlord rally for hatcheries? This isn't actually an issue since you can rally them as you make them, but it's pretty annoying there's no queen rally, really makes mass queen strategies a lot harder to execute, at least they fixed the MBS for hatcheries a while back so you can have 5 hatches selected and type qqqqq and it won't queue them all up at one hatchery. | ||
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weiliem
2071 Posts
On December 14 2010 09:18 TOMNGAI wrote: anyone think zerg should have an overlord rally for hatcheries? That would be completely great!! I always have suicidal overlords because i forgot to redirect my overlords after rally point my hatch to opponent's base...  | ||
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Gigaudas
Sweden1213 Posts
On December 14 2010 09:18 TOMNGAI wrote: anyone think zerg should have an overlord rally for hatcheries? Nooo. I'm the kind that wish a game without hotkeys was this popular. Or atleast Brood war. Until then I'll settle for the fact that Zerg in sc2 requires a decent amount of baby sitting. | ||
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Old]Boy[
Switzerland6 Posts
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jamesr12
United States1549 Posts
On December 15 2010 00:26 Gigaudas wrote: Nooo. I'm the kind that wish a game without hotkeys was this popular. Or atleast Brood war. Until then I'll settle for the fact that Zerg in sc2 requires a decent amount of baby sitting. mouse only is fun to play against your friends once in awhile, its hard as hell | ||
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Requiem-00
29 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On December 12 2010 06:16 donkkk wrote: when protoss or terran supply blocks/caps theres nothing they can do about it while zerg can just stack larvas, races are different u shouldnt compere larava to mule or chronoboost. terran can have 40 more supply than everyone else by sacrificing scvs and relying on mules. and thats actually effective, while stockpiling larvae just gives you another couple rounds of shitty units to throw into collosus or tanks | ||
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Markwerf
Netherlands3728 Posts
For example TvP is all MMM vs gateway units + colossi / ht. Mech has been dead in this matchup since the tanks got nerfed and after the PTR the thor rush won't even be useful anymore. I would like to see battlecruisers be buffed again, so that T has a viable lategame tech switch. For example restore the BC from 8 vs ground to 10 vs ground, it would make them alot better and since the voidrays are getting a buff vs massive the BC rush will not be imbalanced anyways. Other units that need slight buffs to see more play imo are the ultralisk (slight damage buff vs light), hellion (slightly better overall after upgrade), raven (seeker missile buff), infestor (i'd like to see this be a light unit but with -10 hp), hydra (grooved spines slighty buffed to give it range 7), immortal (slight build time decrease), warp prism (massive cost reduction) and carrier/mothership (fleet beacon cost decreased massively). All of the above units are hardly ever used as the core unit of a strategy and only used in various early rush scenario's or rare late game scenario's. Ultralisk is just underpowered for how hard it is to get, hellions suck to base a strategy around because marines are much better, raven's are only good as a 1-of, hydra's are slightly too bad, immortals also suck a bit too much (stalkers do almost everything they do and much easier to get), warp prisms are never used as they are way too costly/slow without speed and to get speed you are getting colossi as well which in turn forces the opponent to make anti-air. Finally carriers and motherships are so easy to counter by vikings, corruptors and voids (after patch) that there is simply no use ever to risk getting the fleet beacon (without flux vanes the fleet beacon will be 100% useless). Buffing all the above units will not have a huge impact on balance straight away as they are rarely used but will help to improve the strategic options a bit imo, at the same time scouting should be made slightly easier though imo which is already happening for toss but should also happen for Z imo (make the ovie upgrade 50/50 again). Finally I'd like to see the map dependancy of this game be slightly adressed. T is crazy strong on small maps while being a bit underpowered on big maps imo because their push strats rely on the maps being small. Either the map pool needs a change (less difference in map sizes, ie. remove steppes, blistering sands and change LT/meta to not allow close spawn) OR change T so they are less strong close distance but have more options on big maps. | ||
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HalfAmazing
Netherlands402 Posts
On December 16 2010 01:42 Markwerf wrote:... words of wisdom... I agree almost entirely with your post. Blizzard's emphasis on balancing cookie cutter vs cookie cutter is really starting to wear on my patience. This is most apparent in TvP in which we literally see only one of two scenarios unfold every game: terran wins early or terran dies late. Same unit compositions and build orders over and over again. It's a bore. Strategic diversity should be their #1 priority, and if certain units are overpowered then nerf them. The SCV repair nerf is clearly an attempt to fix the Thor/SCV rush against protoss, which admittedly was fucking stupid. However, it was not an issue with SCVs repairing banshees, tanks, hellions, vikings, ravens, etc, but that's being nerfed along with it. It's just such an overwhelmingly drastic measure that I seriously question the skill level of the people making these decisions. | ||
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Treemonkeys
United States2082 Posts
On December 16 2010 01:42 Markwerf wrote: I'd only wish they would not only try to balance the game with the PTR but also bring back some more strategic diversity as well. For example TvP is all MMM vs gateway units + colossi / ht. Mech has been dead in this matchup since the tanks got nerfed and after the PTR the thor rush won't even be useful anymore. I would like to see battlecruisers be buffed again, so that T has a viable lategame tech switch. For example restore the BC from 8 vs ground to 10 vs ground, it would make them alot better and since the voidrays are getting a buff vs massive the BC rush will not be imbalanced anyways. Other units that need slight buffs to see more play imo are the ultralisk (slight damage buff vs light), hellion (slightly better overall after upgrade), raven (seeker missile buff), infestor (i'd like to see this be a light unit but with -10 hp), hydra (grooved spines slighty buffed to give it range 7), immortal (slight build time decrease), warp prism (massive cost reduction) and carrier/mothership (fleet beacon cost decreased massively). All of the above units are hardly ever used as the core unit of a strategy and only used in various early rush scenario's or rare late game scenario's. Ultralisk is just underpowered for how hard it is to get, hellions suck to base a strategy around because marines are much better, raven's are only good as a 1-of, hydra's are slightly too bad, immortals also suck a bit too much (stalkers do almost everything they do and much easier to get), warp prisms are never used as they are way too costly/slow without speed and to get speed you are getting colossi as well which in turn forces the opponent to make anti-air. Finally carriers and motherships are so easy to counter by vikings, corruptors and voids (after patch) that there is simply no use ever to risk getting the fleet beacon (without flux vanes the fleet beacon will be 100% useless). Buffing all the above units will not have a huge impact on balance straight away as they are rarely used but will help to improve the strategic options a bit imo, at the same time scouting should be made slightly easier though imo which is already happening for toss but should also happen for Z imo (make the ovie upgrade 50/50 again). Finally I'd like to see the map dependancy of this game be slightly adressed. T is crazy strong on small maps while being a bit underpowered on big maps imo because their push strats rely on the maps being small. Either the map pool needs a change (less difference in map sizes, ie. remove steppes, blistering sands and change LT/meta to not allow close spawn) OR change T so they are less strong close distance but have more options on big maps. It sounds like you want them to balance based on the meta game which seems like it would be pretty bad. I mean just take this statement "For example TvP is all MMM vs gateway units + colossi / ht", you're saying this right after we saw large amount of stargate play in TvP GSL and it allowed protoss to make it to the finals. The biggest thing is players have been focusing on 1 or 2 base play with one tech path and this really doesn't point to a balance problem because it is the natural meta game evolution of any RTS. People will learn the simplest ways to win first and then it expands from there, I've already seen a huge increase in stargate play on the ladder, as well as protoss trying to outmacro zerg (and succeeding). Zerg players learned macro early because their early game was SO weak and now too many people think that terran and protoss can't macro against zerg which isn't true at all. There is too much focus on what you can do in the first 10 minutes, and yeah in that time a fleet beacon can be risky, how about when you are close to 200/200 and doing well in a macro war? Almost no risk at all. It's really sad to see so many players accepting that "X race can't tech switch", but it won't last. We all want more of a brood war style meta game but the only way to get that is either to make the game *exactly* like brood war or just let the meta game evolve with small balance tweaks here and there, which Blizzard has been doing a good job of. All the changes you mentioned are just WAY too much, it would actually lead to people finding new ways to win in 10 minutes and push the meta game backwards rather than forwards. | ||
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MysteryHours
United States168 Posts
On December 16 2010 02:40 HalfAmazing wrote: I agree almost entirely with your post. Blizzard's emphasis on balancing cookie cutter vs cookie cutter is really starting to wear on my patience. This is most apparent in TvP in which we literally see only one of two scenarios unfold every game: terran wins early or terran dies late. Same unit compositions and build orders over and over again. It's a bore. Strategic diversity should be their #1 priority, and if certain units are overpowered then nerf them. The SCV repair nerf is clearly an attempt to fix the Thor/SCV rush against protoss, which admittedly was fucking stupid. However, it was not an issue with SCVs repairing banshees, tanks, hellions, vikings, ravens, etc, but that's being nerfed along with it. It's just such an overwhelmingly drastic measure that I seriously question the skill level of the people making these decisions. SCV repair nerf isn't just for Thor rush against Protoss, it also addresses the SCV/PF combo which many consider broken. If you want to bring your SCVs with your army for repair, then the SCVs should be vulnerable to attack. I don't see how that is an 'overwhelmingly drastic' change. | ||
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