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On December 05 2010 21:50 Perscienter wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 21:41 zak wrote:
Blizzard please keep the hotkey hold for queuing units disabled. Do not let the tears of nubs sway you. Dont listen to their complaints about how zerg is broken and macro is impossible due to their inability to press a key fast enough. thanks! Says someone from a country, where people have absolutely no RL, so every youth ends up being a socially impaired internet café gaming nerd. In Europe, people expect computers to be helpful tools instead of an obstacle.
Shut the hell up.
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On December 05 2010 21:40 Goobus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 21:35 DreamSailor wrote:On December 05 2010 21:28 Chaosvuistje wrote:On December 05 2010 21:04 H0i wrote:On December 05 2010 20:38 Joementum wrote:On December 05 2010 20:10 nehl wrote:On December 05 2010 19:48 uobradbury wrote:
the fungal growth update is the worst idea blizzard has ever had sign. lets hope it stays in PTR and will never come to the game itself. would make toss air very very hard to deal with Signed. It will make Phoenix/VR harass way too viable in every match up against Zerg and Zergs wouldn't have anything to stop it. You mean just like muta's are to protoss currently? You mean you sit on your ass until you let them get muta's? You can pressure a zerg because they don't have wall offs and force them to make units that slow down mutalisk production. Thats not the case with protoss who have the ability to wall off. Don't bring in the roach arguement as they get hardcountered by phoenixes. Zerg has the ability to wall off. Evo chambers, Roach warrens, you can put spine crawlers behind them too. I get really sick of hearing zergs cry about "not being able to wall in" You can, you just get it a little slower, and need to be clever about it. What's the point of zerg walling off? So all our super ranged units can hit your army safely behind it? Rofl. Or maybe so we can funnel our lings into our own choke so you can kill them more easily. Awesome, man. The fact of the matter is, zergs don't have a mid-game army that can attack into a fortified position without getting slaughtered. Mutalisks (and to a lesser extent, drops) were the only way we could really do any damage to P. Taking away the option of mutalisks in ZvP is going to make it really hard for Zerg to fight on even footing with the protoss army without getting harassed to death by phoenixes. When zergs say "we can't wall in" it's not really a complaint, it's just a fact that we don't really have a good way to wall in, and it's also quite useless for us to do so since everything every other race has is ranged. You actually see walls in ZvZ fairly commonly, where zergs will sim city with roach warrens, spawning pools, crawlers, and such. Please stop posting such nonsense about zerg walls.
Actually mutas is not the only way to do damage to protoss. as a protoss user, i will tell u how a zerg can do dmg to me. nydus when i do 1 gate nexus/ 15 nexus/ 1 forge nexus. 3 gate expand being killed by 2 base roach with only 30 + drones but unlimited production of roaches. 3 gate expand to 2 stagate, hydra and roach marching to my expansion and tearing everything while my collosus is still building. Lings harrass on open space expansion like xelnaga. Sorry i dont use zerg, but i hope u learn a thing or two.
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On December 05 2010 21:28 Chaosvuistje wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 21:04 H0i wrote:On December 05 2010 20:38 Joementum wrote:On December 05 2010 20:10 nehl wrote:On December 05 2010 19:48 uobradbury wrote:
the fungal growth update is the worst idea blizzard has ever had sign. lets hope it stays in PTR and will never come to the game itself. would make toss air very very hard to deal with Signed. It will make Phoenix/VR harass way too viable in every match up against Zerg and Zergs wouldn't have anything to stop it. You mean just like muta's are to protoss currently? You mean you sit on your ass until you let them get muta's? You can pressure a zerg because they don't have wall offs and force them to make units that slow down mutalisk production. Thats not the case with protoss who have the ability to wall off. Don't bring in the roach arguement as they get hardcountered by phoenixes. EDIT: I meant countered by voidrays >.< sorry for the confusion this has caused.
If you don't want the zerg to get muta, you do a 4gate that works 30% of the time, and results in massive zerg QQ 100% of the time.
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well this just turned zvz back into the muta race..
hallucination buff will be nice, at least we can start seeing it more often on the pro level
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On December 05 2010 21:53 scottyyy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 21:50 Perscienter wrote:On December 05 2010 21:41 zak wrote:
Blizzard please keep the hotkey hold for queuing units disabled. Do not let the tears of nubs sway you. Dont listen to their complaints about how zerg is broken and macro is impossible due to their inability to press a key fast enough. thanks! Says someone from a country, where people have absolutely no RL, so every youth ends up being a socially impaired internet café gaming nerd. In Europe, people expect computers to be helpful tools instead of an obstacle. Nice generalisations. You have first hand experience with every person aged 14 to 21 that lives in South Korea then?
Yes, almost.
+ Show Spoiler +I've seen some pictures on the internet. I'm an expert in this matter.
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On December 05 2010 21:50 Perscienter wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 21:41 zak wrote:
Blizzard please keep the hotkey hold for queuing units disabled. Do not let the tears of nubs sway you. Dont listen to their complaints about how zerg is broken and macro is impossible due to their inability to press a key fast enough. thanks! Says someone from a country, where people have absolutely no RL, so every youth ends up being a socially impaired internet café gaming nerd. In Europe, people expect computers to be helpful tools instead of an obstacle.
How in god's name did you think that was an OK thing to post?
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they did a great job with the new scv building  now u can actually attack it without raging that even if u click on the scv it targets the bunker
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Cant people who actually get to play the PTR start reporting things instead of all this uninteresting theory QQ?
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On December 05 2010 21:50 Perscienter wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 21:41 zak wrote:
Blizzard please keep the hotkey hold for queuing units disabled. Do not let the tears of nubs sway you. Dont listen to their complaints about how zerg is broken and macro is impossible due to their inability to press a key fast enough. thanks! Says someone from a country, where people have absolutely no RL, so every youth ends up being a socially impaired internet café gaming nerd. In Europe, people expect computers to be helpful tools instead of an obstacle.
I want to point out, that not every german is such an %§"%.
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On December 05 2010 21:50 Perscienter wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 21:41 zak wrote:
Blizzard please keep the hotkey hold for queuing units disabled. Do not let the tears of nubs sway you. Dont listen to their complaints about how zerg is broken and macro is impossible due to their inability to press a key fast enough. thanks! Says someone from a country, where people have absolutely no RL, so every youth ends up being a socially impaired internet café gaming nerd. In Europe, people expect computers to be helpful tools instead of an obstacle. User was temp banned for this post.
I am so ashamed for being a german when i read this text.
So many people think bad about us, and stupid guys like you make it even more worse.
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I'm European so I haven't been able to try out the PTR, but so far the chat channels look very dull and boring. I loved the style in Diablo 2, Starcraft 1 and WC3 where the channels were a separate section in the interface. Now it just seems like a small MSN window... I'm disappointed...
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I've tried to search, but I cannot find any good keywords to search for.
So!
Can you now bind the camera views to hotkey F2-F5?
Thanks.
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This thread proves 99% of TL members think their own race is underpowered.
It's pathetic. Grow up and stop being biased.
Also, whenever there's a discussion about strategy, it's always:
"He will just go Y so I can't do X. Y is so overpowered.". You try to help people understand but they're already so convinced that "nothing works" due to exaggerated imbalance that there's no point in trying.
Makes me rage ;_;
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On December 05 2010 22:27 Fosfor wrote:
I've tried to search, but I cannot find any good keywords to search for.
So!
Can you now bind the camera views to hotkey F2-F5?
Thanks.
Yes.
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On December 05 2010 22:09 Grummler wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 21:50 Perscienter wrote:On December 05 2010 21:41 zak wrote:
Blizzard please keep the hotkey hold for queuing units disabled. Do not let the tears of nubs sway you. Dont listen to their complaints about how zerg is broken and macro is impossible due to their inability to press a key fast enough. thanks! Says someone from a country, where people have absolutely no RL, so every youth ends up being a socially impaired internet café gaming nerd. In Europe, people expect computers to be helpful tools instead of an obstacle. I want to point out, that not every german is such an %§"%.
On December 05 2010 22:16 Rayjin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 21:50 Perscienter wrote:On December 05 2010 21:41 zak wrote:
Blizzard please keep the hotkey hold for queuing units disabled. Do not let the tears of nubs sway you. Dont listen to their complaints about how zerg is broken and macro is impossible due to their inability to press a key fast enough. thanks! Says someone from a country, where people have absolutely no RL, so every youth ends up being a socially impaired internet café gaming nerd. In Europe, people expect computers to be helpful tools instead of an obstacle. User was temp banned for this post. I am so ashamed for being a german when i read this text. So many people think bad about us, and stupid guys like you make it even more worse.
Don't worry about it. Every country has its less desirable members, and it shouldn't reflect on the populace as a whole. I mean, Sarah Palin, now...
In any case, as a Protoss I'm not so eager about the changes for this patch. I hate going air, can't micro Phoenix properly. At least I won't have to worry quite so much about ridiculous Thor/PF situations that weren't so much imbalanced as just infuriating. Any other opinions? Should I just give up and learn Phoenix openings versus Zerg, or will they crumple to 7RR and comparable play?
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On December 05 2010 21:28 Chaosvuistje wrote:
You mean you sit on your ass until you let them get muta's?
Unfortunatley, with the extra roach range buff, T and P are usually stuck in their base and cannot apply pressure to Z once Z obtains roaches. This happens in every GSL match with Z vs T/P.
I don't know why there is so much QQ over the Fungal Growth nerf. Z will continue to rape T and P even after the Fungal Growth nerf. Z has already won GSL 1, GSL 2, and GSL All-Stars - I expect Z to win GSL 3, and if patch 1.2 comes out, Z will win GSL 4.
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I personally think that with these changes, Phoenix play will be so much stronger against Zerg. They will be able to OV hunt, and pump Phoenix' much faster, and if they make the right composition, I see it being very very difficult for Zerg to counter it. I would have originally said use Infestors with FG, but that is now not an option, which makes it very difficult to tie down the Phoenix'.
Even if you wish to do a ling run-by or hydra/roach play. With the right ground composition, they can block their ramp and prevent an attack, as well as lift many of the hydras with an intense number of Phoenix'.
It is just theory crafting on my part, but it is a concern I have. Thoughts?
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On December 05 2010 22:09 Grend wrote:
Cant people who actually get to play the PTR start reporting things instead of all this uninteresting theory QQ?
Ok.
I've played some Koreans on PTR who marine/scv all-inned.
It's still a garbage strat, even without fungal v air!
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i love this myth that terrans cant win macro games vs zergs. its just completely false. ofcourse you have to do early damage - with amazing early harass options like early marine/reaper, hellions, banshees, drops and others terran surely should be expected to use some of it to win? terrans early game is in another league compared to toss/zerg so use it?
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Very interesting changes, since on my lvl I didn't use infestors yet that change doesnt affect me personally, but the "cant hold down hotkey to build N zerglings" affects me a lot; I am slow at button mashing, but it might artifically bring my apm up :D I liked it because it made the game more newbie friendly...
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