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Deleted User 124618
Profile Joined November 2010
1142 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-04 02:20:02
December 04 2010 02:18 GMT
#181
..I guess the most significant effect of this phoenix change is that you can get a decent amount of them faster with only 1 stargate? Nice!

Also the hallucination/observer changes are nice.

And about fungal growth: have fun, that's what it feels like when playing vs mutalisks. They can just swoop in and out as much as they like and my troops run back and forth between bases desperately trying to defend. Yes, I'm talking about blink stalkers.

Have fun.
Gudeldar
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1200 Posts
December 04 2010 02:18 GMT
#182
On December 04 2010 11:15 numberThirtyOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 10:52 whitelynx wrote:
Harvesting units no longer avoid enemy units.

Oh god.


What does that even mean? If a marine shoots my idle probe, it won't automatically run like 2 steps away and then stop again? If the probe isn't idle, it didn't "avoid" anything. It just carried out its orders.


I assume it means that workers can't mineral walk through enemy units anymore, I could be wrong though. Seems like a good change, it was really annoying that a worker could mineral walk through a Protoss wall because they can pass through Zealots.
TeWy
Profile Joined December 2009
France714 Posts
December 04 2010 02:19 GMT
#183
Zerg macro is left untouched, what a joke.
No I don't want to beat Zerg with a stargate harass into mass gates all-in, I want to stop drastically falling behind each time I play a macro game against Zerg.
uurrnn
Profile Joined October 2010
United States19 Posts
December 04 2010 02:19 GMT
#184
I don't think people realize the biggest thing the FG change will effect is in fact ZvZ. Fungal Growth is a must to stop Mutas. If this is implemented then ZvZ will just turn into Muta vs Muta (with maybe corruptors) because Hydras are so damn slow.
Nyx
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Rwanda460 Posts
December 04 2010 02:19 GMT
#185
On December 04 2010 11:18 seaofsaturn wrote:
Just reiterating.... these are the changes they are testing these are not all going to make the cut in the real patch. Fungal nerf is obviously going to break stuff, i doubt it will get in.


No, the changes are in, blizzard are just making sure the patch won't break anything before they release it en mase.
Usurper
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Macedonia283 Posts
December 04 2010 02:19 GMT
#186
Its about time we got a buff! A lot of the balance changes make sense. Fungal Growth on Air Units was ridiculous and Void Ray output damage was lacking for a mid/late game unit.

-.-!
I love humanity. It is people that i can't stand.
Wolf
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)3290 Posts
December 04 2010 02:19 GMT
#187
Uhh.. Why did they remove mineral walking ? That's so dumb... Also, I don't understand the Flux Vanes removal. I used that in the late game as a harassment option. Sure, phoenix buff is nice, but not even necessary. Can't force expansion cancels with phoenixes. Damn, Blizzard.. Making the game sillier all the time.

Also, why the fungal growth change ? That impacts ZvZ soooo much, and also ZvT as well. I don't understand.
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Dauntless
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway548 Posts
December 04 2010 02:20 GMT
#188
On December 04 2010 11:15 numberThirtyOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 10:52 whitelynx wrote:
Harvesting units no longer avoid enemy units.

Oh god.


What does that even mean? If a marine shoots my idle probe, it won't automatically run like 2 steps away and then stop again? If the probe isn't idle, it didn't "avoid" anything. It just carried out its orders.


It means that workers can't go through enemy units by clicking a mineral patch. Which is great for P wall offs which usually leave a spot open for a zealot to block. That was possible before this patch, it isn't after. (P buff)
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LittLeD
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden7973 Posts
December 04 2010 02:20 GMT
#189
• Added combat reveal tinting to help show that combat reveal units cannot be hit. All diagonal ramps are now the same with regards to unbuildable locations at the bottom of the ramps.


Possibly The end of Pylon/Bunker ramp cheese. Nice to see
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Achilles
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada385 Posts
December 04 2010 02:20 GMT
#190
thank fuck for the scv priority + phoenix + creep changes.
[rS]Gluske // http://www.rsgaming.com // Troku[tC]
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
December 04 2010 02:20 GMT
#191
On December 04 2010 11:11 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 11:04 Sfydjklm wrote:
On December 04 2010 10:59 travis wrote:
On December 04 2010 10:58 FinestHour wrote:
On December 04 2010 10:56 bonedriven wrote:
I think Infestor will become more useless?


How did a buff make the unit more useless? Feel free to elaborate.

zergs never win anything!

are you trolling?


u read my whole post and couldn't detect the sarcasm in that statement?

no, i did detect it, that's what worried me.
wanna bet that i can name 5+ tournaments terran have won post 1.1.2 per every tournament you can name that a zerg won?
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
December 04 2010 02:20 GMT
#192
On December 04 2010 11:17 vyyye wrote:
What Blizzard is trying to tell me is that phoenix are now invincible? It's 100% impossible to kill them now, unless the protoss does something ridiculously stupid. Awesome, why the fuck was that necessary?
What if protoss learned to micro and spread their phoenix out to minimize fungal effect instead? I mean.. what the hell?

Other than obvious nice things like chat channels, I'm really not fond of the balancing. I don't get why they changed the void ray either, how was the speed upgrade in need of removal? Bunker build time again, why?

No, I don't get it.


what? how is it 100% impossible to kill them? they are JUST like mutas in how easy they are to kill.

u realize that to use gravitron whatever-the-fuck the protoss has to stop moving the phoenix right?
pzea469
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1520 Posts
December 04 2010 02:20 GMT
#193
Do any of you have this test patch yet?
Kill the Deathball
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
December 04 2010 02:20 GMT
#194
• A new Master League has been added.

Have to be a nerd here, but just to make a guess. I think this might happen when they reset the ladders, and this would be the comparison of winning gladiator. Since I figure if it was always a top% it would get hard to continue promoting demoting people from this hourly.
Fa1nT
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3423 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-04 02:21:50
December 04 2010 02:20 GMT
#195
When workers are mining, they have the lowest attack priority in the game (besides maybe buildings). Meaning, say if a zerg runs 20 zerglings into your minerals. If you have a unit there, like a marauder, every zergling till focus on that marauder and ignore workers.

However, if you a-move with your workers, they became the same priority as any attack unit. Sometimes it's BETTER to just let your workers keep mining to avoid the AI targeting them.
trevf
Profile Joined May 2010
United States237 Posts
December 04 2010 02:20 GMT
#196
On December 04 2010 11:09 Erandorr wrote:
I have thought about it for a bit now after watching a TvZ and could anyone please explain to me how more effective bunker rushing will benefit the game in any way? when i play terran the only time i truly care about those 5 seconds is while my bunkers are building at the zergs natural. can any good terran give me a good other reason for this buff?


It'll be awesome for those times when you need to build an extra bunkr to stop some kind of 1 b ase push. (die roach rush >:|)
Klamity
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States994 Posts
December 04 2010 02:20 GMT
#197
hahhahahahaha zvz is going to be hilarious now.
Don't believe in yourself, believe in me, who believes in you.
imareaver3
Profile Joined June 2010
United States906 Posts
December 04 2010 02:21 GMT
#198
On December 04 2010 11:20 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 11:17 vyyye wrote:
What Blizzard is trying to tell me is that phoenix are now invincible? It's 100% impossible to kill them now, unless the protoss does something ridiculously stupid. Awesome, why the fuck was that necessary?
What if protoss learned to micro and spread their phoenix out to minimize fungal effect instead? I mean.. what the hell?

Other than obvious nice things like chat channels, I'm really not fond of the balancing. I don't get why they changed the void ray either, how was the speed upgrade in need of removal? Bunker build time again, why?

No, I don't get it.


what? how is it 100% impossible to kill them? they are JUST like mutas in how easy they are to kill.

u realize that to use gravitron whatever-the-fuck the protoss has to stop moving the phoenix right?


Phoenixes are much faster than mutas, and Protoss has the option of using Phoenix to outrun the mutas, stalkers to blink after them, or storm for tons of AoE damage. Now Zerg has...the slower Hydras, the slower Queens, and the slower Corrupters/mutas.
DonKey_
Profile Joined May 2010
Liechtenstein1356 Posts
December 04 2010 02:21 GMT
#199
"Oh no fungal growth can't hit air anymore, games so broken now" said millions of zerg when they read the patch notes.

-_- looks like the zerg tears are flowing again.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
December 04 2010 02:21 GMT
#200
On December 04 2010 11:19 TeWy wrote:
Zerg macro is left untouched, what a joke.
No I don't want to beat Zerg with a stargate harass into mass gates all-in, I want to stop drastically falling behind each time I play a macro game against Zerg.


You could just learn how to macro better with protoss you know like most other top toss players.
When I think of something else, something will go here
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