EPTDiscussing the lack of top female starcraft gamers - Page 6
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Mr.Pyro
Denmark959 Posts
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On November 20 2010 01:27 fush wrote: There's research on there being more innate competitiveness in males than females? Please give your sources on these research and mechanisms. I CAN tell you that you're probably 99% wrong regarding biological coding for competition behaviour, but maybe I've missed something  Ok, I will split my answer. 1) The original poster said it has nothing about competitiveness, to that the answer is men in big majority of societies are more competitive than women. Research for that exists and is pretty conclusive. 2) I made stronger(in mathematical sense of stronger) statement, which said that this competetiveness difference is biological in nature. That statement is not so conclusive, but there are a lot of indirect indices. As far as I know there has been no direct research that points one way or another. The indirect indices are : There is biological component to competetiveness in general, because males raised in equal environments differ in it, so considering all the other biological differences between males and females and considering evolutionary mechanisms for human species it not big stretch to assume that there is in fact some innate difference between men and women. | ||
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lindn
Sweden833 Posts
yah. it's not only dudes. | ||
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Zyphen
United States258 Posts
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
On November 19 2010 23:25 MementoMori wrote: To start off and to hopefully ward off any hate, I'm not saying that I don't want, or that there shouldn't be top female gamers. The point of this thread is to discuss why there aren't more. I think there is a simple reason for this: males and females of the species homo sapiens are DIFFERENT in their basic desires and aptitudes. This has nothing to do with society and education and it is generally ignored by people who like to think of both genders as "equal". Sadly this equality is generally interpreted in a way to have females behave like males so they get "more power". Only a part of the female population does this however (still too many IMO). So the relatively low number of girls playing games like Starcraft is totally natural. It is natural. Deal with it and please dont try to make girls behave like boys and turn them into "males type 2". | ||
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SovSov
United States755 Posts
Fact of life. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
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SovSov
United States755 Posts
On November 20 2010 02:38 StarStruck wrote: Instead of making stupid generalizations, how about we talk about past experiences. What? | ||
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HwangjaeTerran
Finland5967 Posts
That's why there are only few female progamers. | ||
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Fumi
529 Posts
On November 20 2010 02:22 donut boi wrote: girls dont play video games... why the hell would u want there to be more pro girl gamers anyways? seems like a strange wish tbh... and i dont know where u found that "40% of gamers are girls" statistic but theres no way that is true. There's a million games in the world. And the ones with big communities usually shun women, there's always this unwritten rule that telling people that you're female equals attention whoring, disregard of context. A bunch of people you stumbled upon could have been females, you just didn't know. | ||
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RoboBob
United States798 Posts
It has taken a long time for society to get to the point where it's socially acceptable for women to be good with computers. And it's only within the past 5-10 years that it's reached a point where it's become acceptable that women can play some games. I don't think it's much of a shock that women tend to gravitate towards stuff like MMOs over RTS, because MMO is more socially acceptable. Being a gamer girl MMO pushes modern limits already; gamer girl RTS can't even fall back on the "I'm only using this as a glorified chat channel so it's ok" justification. Most of the hardcore gamer girls I know are just as agressive as males too. For example, in mmos they're just as likily to roll dps as, say, a healer, in spite of the stereotype. I'm certain with time though that things will improve. 10 years ago I would not have expected nearly as many women to play MMOs as seeiously as they do today. With time we will start seeing them in the competitive mmo scene, as well as other more male-stereotyped genres like shooter and rts. | ||
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onmach
United States1241 Posts
That said, I've met several girls playing starcraft that could totally stomp me. A lot of them don't tell you they are female because they don't want to deal with harassment. I think there are more women playing than people realize. | ||
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cHaNg-sTa
United States1058 Posts
MMO Puzzle Facebook games Sure you'll see some play a FPS, racing game, or Nintendo games in general (think DS). But outside of these, it's rare to see girls play anything else. RTS? That's almost unthinkable in the general population, especially outside of Korea. However, I'm not saying girl RTS gamers don't exist because obviously they do. I know 3 girls personally that do play SC2, but they're rare needless to say. | ||
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SovSov
United States755 Posts
On November 20 2010 02:54 RoboBob wrote: All the biological-talk makes me sigh. Unlike traditional sports, extra muscle mass isn't going to give males a tangible advantage. Most of the hardcore gamer girls I know are just as agressive as males too. For example, in mmos they're just as likily to roll dps as, say, a healer, in spite of the stereotype. It has taken a long time for society to get to the point where it's socially acceptable for women to be good with computers. And it's only within the past 5-10 years that it's reached a point where it's become acceptable that women can play some games. I don't think it's much of a shock that women tend to gravitate towards stuff like MMOs over RTS, because MMO is more socially acceptable. Being a gamer girl MMO pushes modern limits already; gamer girl RTS can't even fall back on the "I'm only using this as a glorified chat channel" excuse. I'm certain with time though that things will improve. 10 years ago I would not have expected nearly as many women to play MMOs as seeiously as they do today. With time we will start seeing them in the competitive mmo scene, as well as other more male-stereotyped genres like shooter and rts. To deny the biological difference is extremely ignorant. Look anywhere in nature, look at early humans, are you going to tell me male lions fight while female lions stay home to care for cubs is a result of the complex and oppressive Lion Society? Go look up what "testosterone" is, and how men have it while women lack it, and what it does. | ||
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crappen
Norway1546 Posts
On November 20 2010 00:47 awesomoecalypse wrote: You get off on Starcraft? I say this as a dude who loves Starcraft and plays it waaay too much. That is fucking wierd, and I don't think its typical of anyone, male or female. Next thing you'll be asking your girlfriend to dress up like a Zerg queen so you can "spawn some larvae".... Okey maybe aroused is a wrong word? I simply ment arousing to mean to feel great, fantastic. It was not ment to be purely sexual like I want to fuck right now cause I have a huge boner after raping this guy in sc2 (that sounds weird but you get my point). But when I have a good week, I get of course a lot more sexual then normal. You have success in sc2, and in other areas of your life that makes you fistpumping into the air cause of the awesomeness. I am 100% I am not alone in this, just 100% I did not explain myself good enough in the previous post. Sexual energy is more then just a boner | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On November 20 2010 02:33 SovSov wrote: Hate to sound sexist but it's true, there's a reason women are always behind men in mostly everything they do (when it comes to competition of any sort, academics, what not), and it's not just because "women are treated unfairly". Human women were designed to be the nurturers and optimal mate-finders, men were designed to protect and impress. Fact of life. You mention academics: http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2009/06/women-dominate-higher-education-at.html | ||
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MementoMori
Canada419 Posts
On November 20 2010 02:58 SovSov wrote: To deny the biological difference is extremely ignorant. Look anywhere in nature, look at early humans, are you going to tell me male lions fight while female lions stay home to care for cubs is a result of the complex and oppressive Lion Society? Go look up what "testosterone" is, and how men have it while women lack it, and what it does. I've just gotta mention that lionesses do the majority of the hunting... | ||
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Achilles
Canada385 Posts
On November 20 2010 03:04 MementoMori wrote: I've just gotta mention that lionesses do the majority of the hunting... Yea but it's the male lion who kills her cubs, replenishes the pride with his own seed, then sends her out to do his bidding. lewwwl | ||
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SovSov
United States755 Posts
On November 20 2010 03:03 Ropid wrote: You mention academics: http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2009/06/women-dominate-higher-education-at.html Figured this would be brought up, I couldn't think of the word I actually wanted to use, and in haste used the wrong one. Though, I've already said enough wrong things to counter act anyone paying attention to the right things. So I accept looking like a fool and am done, since this will go no where anyways. | ||
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AyJay
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