EPTHe has a long history of breaking hearts and making them cry.
i.e. Tossgirl
Discussing the lack of top female starcraft gamers - Page 21
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Deadeight
United Kingdom1629 Posts
He has a long history of breaking hearts and making them cry. i.e. Tossgirl | ||
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MegaVolt
28 Posts
Any female gamer offended by you stating the fact that there are only few female gamers shouldn't be offended in the first place and I find it very offending that you are trying so hard to not offend them. ( :D ) On topic: In "normal" sports there are pretty obvious genetic advantages for males over females. Males just run faster (on average). For SC / SC2 the difference is more subtle but it is still there: Hand-eye coordination is part of our genetic code and for several thousand years hunting (done by males) was our main food source for which a good hand-eye coordination is mandatory. Strong hand-eye coordination for females on the other hand was not really an evolutionary advantage. SC / SC2 are not about multitasking or decision making, they are about processing audio-visual input very fast and then reacting / clicking very fast. It's pretty much a test of your reflexes on SciFi steroids and I'm not really surprised that males are significantly better at this than females, just like running / swimming / throwing stuff very far / etc. | ||
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lundell100
Sweden232 Posts
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Competent
United States406 Posts
The nerd community honestly can't show composer when I girl comes into the scene, there is really no questioning it. So tl;dr I would enjoy diversity, just not enjoy seeing every forum comment going to shit because we want to make irrelevant topics about, OMG, A GIRL. | ||
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LittLeD
Sweden7973 Posts
On November 23 2010 08:26 Mente wrote: Edit for some lulz: Uncensored version please : ) No but seriousy, I completely agree to your post. You really summed it up perfectly. | ||
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ToxNub
Canada805 Posts
On November 25 2010 21:57 MegaVolt wrote: It's really sad that you feel the need to edit in several disclaimers stating that you don't want to offend anyone when all you are doing is just stating facts. Instead of trying to tip-toe around peoples feelings all the time we as a society would be far better off if everyone just had the balls to say "STFU" to people with unreasonable complains. Any female gamer offended by you stating the fact that there are only few female gamers shouldn't be offended in the first place and I find it very offending that you are trying so hard to not offend them. ( :D ) On topic: In "normal" sports there are pretty obvious genetic advantages for males over females. Males just run faster (on average). For SC / SC2 the difference is more subtle but it is still there: Hand-eye coordination is part of our genetic code and for several thousand years hunting (done by males) was our main food source for which a good hand-eye coordination is mandatory. Strong hand-eye coordination for females on the other hand was not really an evolutionary advantage. SC / SC2 are not about multitasking or decision making, they are about processing audio-visual input very fast and then reacting / clicking very fast. It's pretty much a test of your reflexes on SciFi steroids and I'm not really surprised that males are significantly better at this than females, just like running / swimming / throwing stuff very far / etc. This guy nailed it, I think. 1. Stop apologizing. 2. Males are fighters. Competitive battles (including games) are really our strong point. It's not that women can't do it, it's that they have no reason to. We, on the other hand, have a biological need to fight things. | ||
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anderkas
United States86 Posts
On November 26 2010 02:11 ToxNub wrote: This guy nailed it, I think. 1. Stop apologizing. 2. Males are fighters. Competitive battles (including games) are really our strong point. It's not that women can't do it, it's that they have no reason to. We, on the other hand, have a biological need to fight things. Disagree. It's more likely a #'s game. More guys play=more likely the top players are men. Women are attributed to having better dexterity and multitasking skills in general. This should lead, at the very least, some female macro monsters. | ||
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Luvz
Norway356 Posts
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N0cturnal
United Kingdom40 Posts
 She plays for some girl gaming clan. Cant quite remember the name.. I will edit post when I find. BRB! | ||
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NeVeR
1352 Posts
On November 23 2010 08:26 Mente wrote: Edit for some lulz: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAMrMCC5mVw ROFLMAO : D The guy is just laughing thinking it's hilarious until she totally flips out and breaks the xbox xDDD | ||
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LeBadger
Canada37 Posts
On November 25 2010 21:57 MegaVolt wrote: Isnt this like saying that there is no such thing as decision making/multitasking in life? It's just processing light/sound/touch inputs and reacting? Just because the medium used to interface video games is light/sound, doesnt mean our brain doesnt interpret those same mediums the same way it does the world around us. SC / SC2 are not about multitasking or decision making, they are about processing audio-visual input very fast and then reacting / clicking very fast. It's pretty much a test of your reflexes on SciFi steroids and I'm not really surprised that males are significantly better at this than females, just like running / swimming / throwing stuff very far / etc. | ||
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cocosoft
Sweden1068 Posts
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ToxNub
Canada805 Posts
On November 26 2010 02:43 anderkas wrote: Disagree. It's more likely a #'s game. More guys play=more likely the top players are men. Women are attributed to having better dexterity and multitasking skills in general. This should lead, at the very least, some female macro monsters. That's not a disagreement :/ That's just saying the same thing but less. You haven't bothered to explain why more guys play. | ||
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koOl
Canada254 Posts
people talk about tossgirl not being very good in bw. However, tossgirl really only came into the limelight of forign fans later in her career. As we know...progamers tend to lose there edge over time. She really shined more in the early days in tournaments unrecorded on TLPD in like 2002 or so. back then she held her own against the guys better. | ||
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TIgerjaw
United States3 Posts
As a female gamer, I wanted to add my few cents to the thread. Yes, there is no denying that there are biological differences between genders; however, I don't think that has much in the way of influencing competitive natures, aside from testosterone levels. Gender expectations play a much larger role. The biggest reason for girls not getting into games is societal pressure. I feel constantly pressured to not mention my gaming habits to friends, for fear that I'll be looked down upon. Yes, I have a few friends that are girls that play videogames, like most people, but we are few and far between. First of all, playing competitive video games is considered masculine. If you play those types of video games, your femininity gets questioned, without a doubt. This is because women care about how they are perceived by men a lot. We have been conditioned to accept that even though we have the freedom to do whatever a man can do, we have to accept that we are the "weaker" sex, and that its just not "right" if we're dominating males in any sort of competitive hobby or game. Traditionally, if we beat a guy at a game, we understand that we're seen as less sexually desirable, and that is a huge no-no in the world of women. We know that being attractive is what matters to most men, so normally, women do less than okay to impress you. We don't intentionally lose at Super Smash Bros to give you an ego boost, we do it so we are still seen as desirable to you. The nail that sticks out gets hammered down. I love gaming, and I am extremely competitive. Probably even more so than my fiancee. It really does start to hurt when all you ever hear playing online against other people is harassment. Sexual harassment is a huge issue on the internet, particularly in video games, where you can say whatever you want without consequence, under the guise of anonymity. I can't tell you how many "go make a sandwhich", "A/S/L??", "lesbian?", "are you hot??" messages I've gotten when I play competitive games like LoL, HoN and the like. Even logging into vent to play those games, about 90% of the time I get "OMG A GIRL!" Women aren't judged by their ability to succeed, but by how sexually attractive they are. This is both environmental, and biological for obvious evolutionary reasons. That doesn't mean I am okay with being judged like a piece of meat, however. Yes, there are many of female WoW players, but mostly because its become more socially acceptable in recent years, and most girls play with their boyfriends/husbands, as I do. And the gender atmosphere in video games is always progressing, but I have no false hopes about people eventually being nice to girls online. The internet is made of douchebags. Finally, I think someone made a point about how women "don't like competition" in an earlier post, and this is the biggest BS that we have ever given men to swallow. Here's a cute little Cracked article excerpt [yes, I know, its Cracked, but they have legit sources posted.] Particularly this passage is what I wanted to bring up "When we grow up, women are more likely to be penalized for displaying too much aggression, while men are rewarded for the exact same behavior. When actually ... Women might be the more aggressive of the genders. Researchers found that when you deindividuate a person--or place the person in a situation where he or she doesn't have an individual identity--aggressive attitudes are amplified. This makes sense. It's probably why Marines are required to wear the same uniform, and hipsters are such pussies. Well, they tested this in the lab by having men and women play an interactive video game that required killing other players by dropping bombs on them. They found that under normal circumstances, men dropped far more bombs than women. But in the deindividuated groups, women out-attacked the men every time, with an average of about five more bombs dropped per session. Putting people, particularly women, in a situation where they are anonymous and don't have to conform to societal expectations is very powerful psychologically. And by very powerful, we mean it turns them into an unfeeling murder machines." Sillyness aside, I love PvPing in WoW, nothing brings me greater joy than corpse camping an opposing faction for way too long. I must be an unfeeling murder machine! | ||
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TIgerjaw
United States3 Posts
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cyclone25
Romania3344 Posts
A korean female player, "Awesome", took the 3rd place in the US Go4sc2 (6 days ago). | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On November 25 2010 21:57 MegaVolt wrote: Hand-eye coordination is part of our genetic code and for several thousand years hunting (done by males) was our main food source for which a good hand-eye coordination is mandatory. Strong hand-eye coordination for females on the other hand was not really an evolutionary advantage. SC / SC2 are not about multitasking or decision making, they are about processing audio-visual input very fast and then reacting / clicking very fast. It's pretty much a test of your reflexes on SciFi steroids and I'm not really surprised that males are significantly better at this than females, just like running / swimming / throwing stuff very far / etc. This is completely uninformed nonsense. This is like a 30 year old understanding of how the brain works. There's cultures and animals where the females do the hunting and modern neuroscience has found that women use more parts of their brains when doing hand-eye motor tasks. Also, just to drop a bit more SCIENCE on people, testosterone does not cause aggression and may actually do the opposite in complex human social structures. The only thing found to cause aggression is the stigma around it. It's entirely a placebo effect based on social understandings. Things like decreased spatial awareness or motor controls are more likely due to socialization, more than any genetic differences. | ||
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sp1XeL
14 Posts
On December 06 2010 18:49 Jibba wrote: This is completely uninformed nonsense. This is like a 30 year old understanding of how the brain works. There's cultures and animals where the females do the hunting and modern neuroscience has found that women use more parts of their brains when doing hand-eye motor tasks. Also, just to drop a bit more SCIENCE on people, testosterone does not cause aggression and may actually do the opposite in complex human social structures. The only thing found to cause aggression is the stigma around it. It's entirely a placebo effect based on social understandings. Things like decreased spatial awareness or motor controls are more likely due to socialization, more than any genetic differences. even if what he said was true I doubt that is the reason why female players are inferior at sc2(gaming in general), I honest think if the number of male and female players are on equal ground, girls could just be as good as us at every genre of video games. The lack of interest plays a huge part , i mean you can't be good at something if you arent interested in it, can't ignore the fact that there are simply more male players in almost every gaming scene. | ||
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