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to all of u that says "she's only getting attention only because she's a girl/ she's not so good, bla bla bla"
this is exactly what we need to reach out to female audience DUH! stop ur elitist or sexual equality bullshit attitude, the fact remains that SC2 doesn't have enough female players and it remains a large pool of potential competitors that is untapped, i won't deny the fact that womens league skill level atm is not as competitive as the pro scene, but we should encourage their growth and credibility instead of discrediting them..
its doubly more amazing that a Taiwanense celebrity wins it, it's gonna inspire more women to take up this game, i don't get why are u people so negatively against that....
awesome interviews, now i'm a Pikachu fan too!
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On November 10 2010 14:36 JTWStephens wrote:
She's only getting attention because she's an attractive female. Hilarious shit. She might even be a good player, but she'll never really be recognized for it.
Um...she's getting attention BECAUSE she won a tournament? /sigh.
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On November 10 2010 14:45 Shizuru~ wrote:
to all of u that says "she's only getting attention only because she's a girl/ she's not so good, bla bla bla"
this is exactly what we need to reach out to female audience DUH! stop ur elitist or sexual equality bullshit attitude, the fact remains that SC2 doesn't have enough female players and it remains a large pool of potential competitors that is untapped, i won't deny the fact that womens league skill level atm is not as competitive as the pro scene, but we should encourage their growth and credibility instead of discrediting them..
its doubly more amazing that a Taiwanense celebrity wins it, it's gonna inspire more women to take up this game, i don't get why are u people so negatively against that....
awesome interviews, now i'm a Pikachu fan too!
Interviews like these while "positive" in nature only further draw the line between male and female gamers.
If a female gamer wants to get really good and practices hard and becomes a strong player, I am all for that.
But there is really no reason that females and males shouldn't be held to the same standards.
Plenty of females play games now, if they were held to the same standards instead of getting special treatment they might step their game up more.
I had a female gamer friend who liked RTS, she was able to pump out 300-450 apm back in the day, she got good because she wasn't babied... it was because she was held to the same standards as all the guys.
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A few johnny-rainclouds on this thread. To the bleeding hearts complaining about sexism- how about you leave it to the women to complain about the sexism? Oh, right. There is not a very big population of women playing Starcraft in order to complain. That's part of the point of this interview, the tournament and others like it.
Pretty sure guys aren't losing opportunities to play because of this tournament and the interview. If you aren't being denied opportunity, what's the big deal. This is providing new opportunities and new promotions.
Shirzuru has it right on the money. This is just the sort of thing SC needs to promote the game to the opposite gender. How people can continue to find offense in this is beyond me.
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On November 10 2010 15:05 robertdinh wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2010 14:45 Shizuru~ wrote:
to all of u that says "she's only getting attention only because she's a girl/ she's not so good, bla bla bla"
this is exactly what we need to reach out to female audience DUH! stop ur elitist or sexual equality bullshit attitude, the fact remains that SC2 doesn't have enough female players and it remains a large pool of potential competitors that is untapped, i won't deny the fact that womens league skill level atm is not as competitive as the pro scene, but we should encourage their growth and credibility instead of discrediting them..
its doubly more amazing that a Taiwanense celebrity wins it, it's gonna inspire more women to take up this game, i don't get why are u people so negatively against that....
awesome interviews, now i'm a Pikachu fan too! Interviews like these while "positive" in nature only further draw the line between male and female gamers. If a female gamer wants to get really good and practices hard and becomes a strong player, I am all for that. But there is really no reason that females and males shouldn't be held to the same standards. Plenty of females play games now, if they were held to the same standards instead of getting special treatment they might step their game up more. I had a female gamer friend who liked RTS, she was able to pump out 300-450 apm back in the day, she got good because she wasn't babied... it was because she was held to the same standards as all the guys.
You could say the same thing between Korean tournaments and foreigner tournaments.
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Oh man, I love that players like this exist. Pikachu fighting, and I hope someday I'll be as thoughtful and accomplished as Linda!
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On November 10 2010 15:05 robertdinh wrote:
But there is really no reason that females and males shouldn't be held to the same standards.
Plenty of females play games now, if they were held to the same standards instead of getting special treatment they might step their game up more.
Why are we even concerned about 'standards?' Must there be a standard to have fun? Girls want to have fun playing against each other in a competitive environment. Why do we need standards? We're not fighting for women's rights to vote or own property. How can you turn a fun, competitive event into such a serious business?
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On November 10 2010 15:14 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2010 15:05 robertdinh wrote:
But there is really no reason that females and males shouldn't be held to the same standards.
Plenty of females play games now, if they were held to the same standards instead of getting special treatment they might step their game up more.
Why are we even concerned about 'standards?' Must there be a standard to have fun? Girls want to have fun playing against each other in a competitive environment. Why do we need standards? We're not fighting for women's rights to vote or own property. How can you turn a fun, competitive event into such a serious business?
I have no problem with people playing a video game for fun... but if they are going to do that they should be judged objectively on those specific merits.
There should be no exaggeration of what they've done.
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Don't know what the argument is about. Pikachu fighting~ ! I actually really like the personality that comes off here in her interview, unlike the one Tossgirl interview there was (I like science vessels because they look like Micky Mouse, talk about asinine).
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On November 10 2010 15:16 robertdinh wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2010 15:14 Falling wrote:On November 10 2010 15:05 robertdinh wrote:
But there is really no reason that females and males shouldn't be held to the same standards.
Plenty of females play games now, if they were held to the same standards instead of getting special treatment they might step their game up more.
Why are we even concerned about 'standards?' Must there be a standard to have fun? Girls want to have fun playing against each other in a competitive environment. Why do we need standards? We're not fighting for women's rights to vote or own property. How can you turn a fun, competitive event into such a serious business? I have no problem with people playing a video game for fun... but if they are going to do that they should be judged objectively on those specific merits. There should be no exaggeration of what they've done.
Where is the exaggeration of what she's done? She has a real job in a more lucrative industry dabbling in a less lucrative one and doing well in it. Nobody's pretending she's good enough to win the GSL or anything like it. You're reading something that doesn't exist.
Besides, there are plenty of country, university, region and whatever tournaments that are going on right now. In BW, there were even plenty of non-Korean tournaments. People should be free to do tournaments as they please without a lot of naysayers just shitting on their accomplishments.
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On November 10 2010 15:16 robertdinh wrote:
I have no problem with people playing a video game for fun... but if they are going to do that they should be judged objectively on those specific merits.
There should be no exaggeration of what they've done.
So where's the exaggeration? She played in the ESL women's tournament and won. She's a diamond player. That's no hyperbole of her skills. She's being highlighted because the tournament happened and she won.
You argue that were she a guy, this interview would never have been written. Maybe, but how is your method promoting more girls to play? No tournament, just another gender-less tag in the Battlenet 2.0 ladder. Buried.
Things like this create awareness and hopefully will get more girls playing because it is both fun and competitive. Once (or if) the population can increase, then we'll see an increase in skilled girl RTS'ers not the other way around. SCBW had TosSgirl and that was it. Even then, there were Korean female leagues until 05. It's a megaphone to other girls that 'hey we're here.' If they get together and have fun, they'll be more likely to promote SC. And a women's tournament is a good entry into the world of RTS's. As an event, it's attractive. Much more attractive then trying to qualify for the GSL and getting smoked. It's another tournament. Not everything needs to be measure according to the GSL standard.
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Hmmmmm this girl looks pretty good I must say, no skill comparison to tossgirl though 
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On November 10 2010 15:16 robertdinh wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2010 15:14 Falling wrote:On November 10 2010 15:05 robertdinh wrote:
But there is really no reason that females and males shouldn't be held to the same standards.
Plenty of females play games now, if they were held to the same standards instead of getting special treatment they might step their game up more.
Why are we even concerned about 'standards?' Must there be a standard to have fun? Girls want to have fun playing against each other in a competitive environment. Why do we need standards? We're not fighting for women's rights to vote or own property. How can you turn a fun, competitive event into such a serious business? I have no problem with people playing a video game for fun... but if they are going to do that they should be judged objectively on those specific merits. There should be no exaggeration of what they've done.
i play video games for fun. what are those standards you want to hold me up to?
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On November 10 2010 05:46 Avaclon wrote:Q: Some new players feel Starcraft 2 is very difficulty to get into, do you have any advice for them?A: Just A-move over! source: sc2.com.cn http://www.sc2.com.cn/1011/153227879834.html
I like this girl, she's got some snarkiness and sass.
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Wait... isn't it kind of offensive that there is a female only SC2 cup? I'm not really sure so don't think I'm just like blowing the politically correct horn here. I have always just accepted it but it just occurred to me that we view SC2 and SC:BW as games of skill and intellect, not necessarily of physical ability... so doesn't separating men and women imply that they have a lesser skill/intellect than men?
It's sort of like if we were to separate women from men in math bowl. Or during a chess tournament. I know that there is a big discussion about whether or not chess tournaments should be segregated (equality VS encouraging women to play) so we should probably address that in our favorite game as well.
As I said I'm just kind of throwing that out there for discussion. I think it's kind of important to discuss instead of "lolol she's hot".. "oh no ppl only likes her cuz she's hawt"
EDIT: Yeah as I'm reading more of the previous posts.... everyone seems to be concerned with whether it is sexist or not to exaggerate someone's accomplishments according to their gender. That's an issue, sure, but the bigger one is why we are separating their tournaments from ours when all SC2 takes is a sharp intellect and practiced skill, two things that women can acquire just as sure as men can.
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bunch of morons posting here... that's like saying that there should be no coverage of womens basketball because those bitches couldn't hold a candle to the NBA... She won a female tournament, there are VERY VERY few female players, do you understand how more females get into a game like this? they see a celebrity who plays, and think "hey maybe this isn't something just for the boys living in their mothers basements"
Saying they should be ignored, and that will push girls to do better is asinine... what will get girls to play better is if there are more in the player pool improving their skills. You think a female SC2 player isnt out there right now practicing her ass off so she can beat pikachu in the next female tourney?
The first guy on here to start the "who cares its just a girl" said it best when he compared her to someone he would want to be with, sorry internet tough guy, we all know you will never get with a girl as cute as her anyway. Pretending like you wouldn't date her in a second is nothing but a load of bullshit. (as if whether or not she was fuckable had ANYTHING to do with this in the first fucking place)
All the haters are basically saying there should be no female coverage unless some chick makes it to the top 8 of the GSL, then MAYBE she will be worth interviewing... give me a break.
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On November 10 2010 15:58 nybbas wrote:
bunch of morons posting here... that's like saying that there should be no coverage of womens basketball because those bitches couldn't hold a candle to the NBA... She won a female tournament, there are VERY VERY few female players, do you understand how more females get into a game like this? they see a celebrity who plays, and think "hey maybe this isn't something just for the boys living in their mothers basements"
Saying they should be ignored, and that will push girls to do better is asinine... what will get girls to play better is if there are more in the player pool improving their skills. You think a female SC2 player isnt out there right now practicing her ass off so she can beat pikachu in the next female tourney?
The first guy on here to start the "who cares its just a girl" said it best when he compared her to someone he would want to be with, sorry internet tough guy, we all know you will never get with a girl as cute as her anyway. Pretending like you wouldn't date her in a second is nothing but a load of bullshit. (as if whether or not she was fuckable had ANYTHING to do with this in the first fucking place)
All the haters are basically saying there should be no female coverage unless some chick makes it to the top 8 of the GSL, then MAYBE she will be worth interviewing... give me a break.
Terrible analogy, basketball is a physical sport.
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On November 10 2010 15:54 University wrote:
Wait... isn't it kind of offensive that there is a female only SC2 cup? I'm not really sure so don't think I'm just like blowing the politically correct horn here. I have always just accepted it but it just occurred to me that we view SC2 and SC:BW as games of skill and intellect, not necessarily of physical ability... so doesn't separating men and women imply that they have a lesser skill/intellect than men?
It's sort of like if we were to separate women from men in math bowl. Or during a chess tournament. I know that there is a big discussion about whether or not chess tournaments should be segregated (equality VS encouraging women to play) so we should probably address that in our favorite game as well.
As I said I'm just kind of throwing that out there for discussion. I think it's kind of important to discuss instead of "lolol she's hot".. "oh no ppl only likes her cuz she's hawt"
EDIT: Yeah as I'm reading more of the previous posts.... everyone seems to be concerned with whether it is sexist or not to exaggerate someone's accomplishments according to their gender. That's an issue, sure, but the bigger one is why we are separating their tournaments from ours when all SC2 takes is a sharp intellect and practiced skill, two things that women can acquire just as sure as men can.
because we all know the female and male brains work identically right?
If anything its a vehicle that allows girls who are interested in SC2 to be able to relate and see other girls playing the game. The problem here is you have a game thats dominated by 99% males, by those statistics alone, the chances of seeing a girl in the top tiers is incredibly low.
Letting them have their own tournament is not only good for SC2 as an esport as a whole (how the fuck could it be damaging anyways?) I am sure it's something the girls appreciate.
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Very good interview... better than most you tend to read.
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http://sc2ranks.com/tw/192423/Pikachu
1350 Diamond is pretty good, especially for TW server since that puts her at #770 and probably the best rating for a girl playing the game on TW server.
For comparison, #770 on NA server is 2000 rating.
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