EPTMLG extended Series Poll - Page 4
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Darkstar_X
United States197 Posts
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Nouar
France3270 Posts
On November 08 2010 06:38 SentrySteve wrote: It's fine. Another point many of you may be missing is that it helps to progress the losers bracket at a reasonable speed. These MLG tourneys run on a tight clock and the losers bracket plays so many more games than the winners. For the sake of the spectators and MLG's personal schedule (like breakdown time, facility renting time limits, etc) the extended series rule may make the tourney easier to manage. How is that the case ? The Tyler/PU series had to run FOUR more games (from 2-0 to 4-2) and it could have been FIVE. Is it faster than a bo3 ? Think before you post garbage. | ||
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Pyrthas
United States3196 Posts
On November 08 2010 06:46 Darkstar_X wrote: It feels pretty awful to beat a player 2-0, then face them again and lose 1-2 to be eliminated even though you are 3-2 against them. In every double elimination tournament, the winner has to start up a series, otherwise he isn't double eliminated. The person in the lower bracket already has a lost series, the person in the winner's bracket has not. Why do you think that any of this is news to anybody in this thread, or needed to be said, or is contributing in any way to this discussion? | ||
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Redmark
Canada2129 Posts
one starts up games even though they both lost one series | ||
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dtz
5834 Posts
If Jinro had lost to PainUser in the WB semifinal, he will meet Tyler in Lower Bracket and the series starts 0-0 But what happened was PainUser lost to Jinro and then he meet Tyler who he has defeated before and leads 2-0 in a bo7. How is this fair that PainUser has the advantage in case he lose when he and Jinro was in the exact same situation. I mean they would have dropped from the same round in WB but Jinro would start from 0-0 because he is unlucky as he does not meet someone who he has defeated before while PainUser is lucky in that sense. | ||
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ohreallynow
31 Posts
On November 08 2010 06:46 Darkstar_X wrote: It feels pretty awful to beat a player 2-0, then face them again and lose 1-2 to be eliminated even though you are 3-2 against them. In every double elimination tournament, the winner has to start up a series, otherwise he isn't double eliminated. The person in the lower bracket already has a lost series, the person in the winner's bracket has not. It also feels pretty awful when you clearly win the first game (which is a huge mental, physical and tactical(for the next few games) advantage just to have the admins rape it from you. | ||
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Nouar
France3270 Posts
On November 08 2010 06:46 Darkstar_X wrote: It feels pretty awful to beat a player 2-0, then face them again and lose 1-2 to be eliminated even though you are 3-2 against them. In every double elimination tournament, the winner has to start up a series, otherwise he isn't double eliminated. The person in the lower bracket already has a lost series, the person in the winner's bracket has not. You may be 3-2 against that guy, but you lost against someone else. HE DIDN'T. If you face him again you're either in the GF or in the LB. The GF is another problem. | ||
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BlueBird.
United States3890 Posts
On November 08 2010 06:47 Pyrthas wrote: Why do you think that any of this is news to anybody in this thread, or needed to be said, or is contributing in any way to this discussion? cause some people don't get it.. I think it's a fair rule, I understand the rule, I don't think the rule is needed though | ||
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Serpico
4285 Posts
On November 08 2010 06:47 Pyrthas wrote: Why do you think that any of this is news to anybody in this thread, or needed to be said, or is contributing in any way to this discussion? Why are you so angry because of that? | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On November 08 2010 06:44 .ImpacT. wrote: Oh god...lol... They really should've just asked the players if it was OK to continue on the current map :/ That has nothing to do with anything :/ | ||
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Blademage
United States128 Posts
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Zarahtra
Iceland4053 Posts
People reason that it's fair, since player A can loose 0:2 and then win 2:1 so player B has won 3 games but player A has only won 2. I just don't see how that matters at all, that was a different series, which shouldn't connect just like the series player B lost doesn't connect to current series. This is for LB vs LB. For WB vs LB, I understand the rules, it makes sense, but it makes the grand finals dead boring, one player entering as such an underdog. | ||
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SonuvBob
Aiur21552 Posts
On November 08 2010 06:40 Nouar wrote: Here's another one : 2bo3 : TT1 has to win 4 games to win the tournament (can be 4-2 ie 2-1/2-1) extended : TT1 has to win 3 games to win the tournament if he lost 2-1 in WB (can be 3-1) So in THIS instance, it actually helps the guy coming from the LB. How fair is that for the guy winning all from WB ? Yeah, if it's just one bo7 the WB advantage is negated by the extended series rule. Seems to be poorly thought out. A common alternative to the double bo3 series is a bo5 with a 1-0 advatange for the WB winner. So if they want to keep the extended series thing without having too many games, maybe they could add 1-0 for the WB winner and make it a bo9. So it'd start 3-1 or 3-0, with 2-6 more games played (same # of games as with the standard 2 bo3s) | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On November 08 2010 06:46 Darkstar_X wrote: It feels pretty awful to beat a player 2-0, then face them again and lose 1-2 to be eliminated even though you are 3-2 against them. In every double elimination tournament, the winner has to start up a series, otherwise he isn't double eliminated. The person in the lower bracket already has a lost series, the person in the winner's bracket has not. It must be even more heart breaking for Tyler who won more games this MLG than PainUser due to losing to PainUser earlier and then beat PainUser in a bo3 yet still got eliminated due to the extended series rule. | ||
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Mainland
Canada551 Posts
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Pyrthas
United States3196 Posts
I'm annoyed, though not really angry, because I think the discussion would be better served by not rehashing ideas and arguments. Everything being said here has been said before about extended series. We could make more progress on the topic as a whole if, instead of saying it all again, we started where we left off when we discussed the topic after MLG DC. It's just tiresome to read the same points all over again. Edit: I should apologize to Darkstar, though. My reply was more aggressive than was necessary. Sorry about that. It wasn't necessary at all. | ||
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McDonalds
Liechtenstein2244 Posts
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Archvil3
Denmark989 Posts
16 player tournament, 4 groups of 4, best 2 of each advances to RO8 knockout. Player A and B are in group 1, both players advances to RO8 and in their match in that group player A beat player B 2-0. Player A and B meet up in the finals once more, the series extends and player A is given a 2-0 lead, because their internal score in that tournament is 2-0. And yes this scenario is ridiculous. Absolutely and in every way stupid which is why noone is doing that. I dont see why that is any different in a double elimination tournament. Why is it that previous results should matter in double elimination but not in any other type of tournament? I vote unfair ofc. | ||
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Pyrthas
United States3196 Posts
On November 08 2010 06:50 SonuvBob wrote: Yeah, if it's just one bo7 the WB advantage is negated by the extended series rule. Seems to be poorly thought out. Yeah, Nouar is right about how it works. I posted the best justification I've heard for MLG's policy on page 2, though, and I don't think it's entirely garbage. | ||
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some_pro
120 Posts
Winners bracket, player A wins player B 3-0 Grand final, A and B meet again, and B wins 3-2 Should B be the winner, even tho he has a 3-5 record against A ? | ||
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